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Post#61 » by ball teacher » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:47 pm

No it's not, and Tyrus has never played 8 minutes of a game at the 3; not once. You should really let go of this idea that the Bulls forced him to play the 3; they didn't. They had him play the 4, his best position.


Your facts are wrong and these points you're trying to make are irrelevent to the subject or just plain weak.

If those are indirect shots at Tyrus, then they're also indirect shots at Eddy Curry, Jamal Crawford, Eddie Robinson, Ben Wallace, Larry Hughes, Tyson Chandler, etc. John Paxson's reign as GM has been personified by lunch bucket type guys like Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich, Andres Nocioni, etc which is why they keep saying it. It was especially true when Skiles was here as he would blatantly give time to lesser players (like Chris Duhon) seemingly only because they didn't make as many mistakes.


If Tyrus is widely reported in the press to have been suspended for conduct detrimental to thet team, then they learn he cursed out the coach, then the media that you yourself admit dislikes Tyrus starts emphasising certain players are such great "team players", and so "professional", and "they know there role and accept it", all of the things Tyrus supposedly lacks (per the media), why would I assume they are referring to a player who hasn't been a Bull in 3 years like Ben Wallce or Eddie Robinson? C'mon now, that's stupid.

Sam Smith has been known to have grudges as well; he's got a major grudge against Tyrus and has never liked him.


Yeah, this Sam Smith writes on behalf of the Chicago Bulls for the team website, and it's widely known he hates Tyrus, and again, he writes on the Bulls team website, doesn't that tell you something? Do you think the Organisation would want him writing negative press about a player they actually care for?

You're talking to one of the biggest Tyrus supporters on the Bulls' RealGM board by the way, and Cliff Levingston agrees that Tyrus got a bit of a raw deal at times, hence the reasoning behind saying he's got a chance to blossom a bit in Charlotte if he gets along with the coach a bit better and gets the PT. You're just WAY off the mark with how the Bulls' management handled him.


Management probably did want Tyrus to start over Taj, or get more than 15 minutes a game when Noah was out, Taj was hurt struggling and still getting big minutes, and Miller being old and struggling. Maybe manamgent getting two power forwards over the summer was only to bulk up the PF position even though we had no SG on the roster since BG left. Limiting Tyrus to a 15 foot jump shooting 15 minutes a night rotation playing, PF/SF position switching, back up to a injured average rookie is really in Tyrus best interest. Your point is clear now, and yeah, I'm being respectfully sarcastic.
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Re: Official Tyrus Thomas Welcome Thread 

Post#62 » by BigSlam » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:53 pm

Cliff Levingston wrote:You're talking to one of the biggest Tyrus supporters on the Bulls' RealGM board by the way, and Cliff Levingston agrees that Tyrus got a bit of a raw deal at times, hence the reasoning behind saying he's got a chance to blossom a bit in Charlotte if he gets along with the coach a bit better and gets the PT.

You've posted here far too much lately to wait this long to reference yourself in the 3rd.

Very dissapointed it's taken this long.
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Post#63 » by fatlever » Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:59 pm

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Post#64 » by e4Nf6 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:21 pm

Not 100% sure, but this is two Bulls fans right? I imagine this is not the first time this argument has played out. I remember (excuse me, e4 remembers) something similar happening here with Suns fans when we traded for Diaw.

Was there ever a thread like this about Mek on the NO board? or one about Jrich on the Phoenix board?

Thomas must be on cloud nine to get away from all this baggage. He really shouldn't have much trouble meeting the expectations here, just continue to rebound and play tough defense, don't completely embarrass yourself on offense and we'll all be happy as clams.
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Post#65 » by SportsWorld » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:16 am

CousinOfDeath wrote:I hope that Tyrus beasts for you guys and makes the Bulls management and fans cry.

Why exactly would the Bulls management and fans cry? The Bulls weren't bringing back Tyrus next season anyways. There were so many Bulls fans upset that we let Gordon walk for nothing and now they make a trade before they let someone walk for nothing and they get a 1st round pick and a solid guard in exchange for him.

Tyrus ran his course in Chicago and needed a change of scenery. He's happier in Charlotte and the Bulls organization is happier that he's there as well.

The Bulls organization has done a terrific job these past two years of shedding salary to make room for a 2010 FA while keeping the current team good at the same time.
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Post#66 » by Cliff Levingston » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:07 pm

e4Nf6 wrote:Not 100% sure, but this is two Bulls fans right? I imagine this is not the first time this argument has played out. I remember (excuse me, e4 remembers) something similar happening here with Suns fans when we traded for Diaw.

Was there ever a thread like this about Mek on the NO board? or one about Jrich on the Phoenix board?

Thomas must be on cloud nine to get away from all this baggage. He really shouldn't have much trouble meeting the expectations here, just continue to rebound and play tough defense, don't completely embarrass yourself on offense and we'll all be happy as clams.

Don't mean to bring a Tyrus argument to your board, but ICLO, ball teacher is simply wrong about some things he's telling you about Tyrus.

The fact is that he was never intended to be developed as a 3 and only played that position VERY sparingly during his time here as the link to 82games.com Cliff Levingston has provided proves. The other link to draftexpress.com also proves that, at least at one point, that Tyrus sees himself more as a 3 playing on the perimeter. That's not necessarily a bad thing though as his natural position will end up being a high post 4.

He's had his problems in Chicago which is obviously why he isn't a Bull anymore. He's a good kid with a lot of talent, he just might not have the brain and natural ball instincts to put them all together. He definitely needed to get out of Chicago where the pressure was too high, being (essentially) a 2nd overall pick traded for Aldridge who's having a very nice career and all. Now, in Charlotte, he's just an underachiever who was traded for bench players so the pressure is a lot lighter. Looks like he's turned in a couple nice games so far, so good for him and good for the Bobcats. Cliff Levingston would like to see Tyrus put it together and become a good/great player if only to justify Cliff Levingston's desire for him in the '06 draft over Aldridge. :)
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Post#67 » by BigSlam » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:14 pm

For what it is worth:

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Do the Bobcats bring back Tyrus Thomas after this year? He's thriving right now, but he's on the hook for almost 7 million next year. That's a lot of money for someone who's still trying to figure out his role in this league.

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They might. I watched the Bobcats play twice since landing Thomas. He looks great. We'll see if he can keep it up. But he's a HUGE talent. If Larry Brown can get through to him, it would be worth keeping him on the roster for another year to see if he develops. The only thing holding Tyrus back is Tyrus. If he can get a little more maturity, the Bobcats trade of a future first for Thomas may be the deal of the deadline. However, don't hate the Bulls for what they did. He needed a change of scenery. He was going nowhere in Chicago.
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Post#68 » by ball teacher » Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:35 am

"Don't mean to bring a Tyrus argument to your board, but ICLO, ball teacher is simply wrong about some things he's telling you about Tyrus.

The fact is that he was never intended to be developed as a 3 and only played that position VERY sparingly during his time here as the link to 82games.com Cliff Levingston has provided proves. The other link to draftexpress.com also proves that, at least at one point, that Tyrus sees himself more as a 3 playing on the perimeter. That's not necessarily a bad thing though as his natural position will end up being a high post 4.

He's had his problems in Chicago which is obviously why he isn't a Bull anymore. He's a good kid with a lot of talent, he just might not have the brain and natural ball instincts to put them all together. He definitely needed to get out of Chicago where the pressure was too high, being (essentially) a 2nd overall pick traded for Aldridge who's having a very nice career and all. Now, in Charlotte, he's just an underachiever who was traded for bench players so the pressure is a lot lighter. Looks like he's turned in a couple nice games so far, so good for him and good for the Bobcats. Cliff Levingston would like to see Tyrus put it together and become a good/great player if only to justify Cliff Levingston's desire for him in the '06 draft over Aldridge. :)
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Tyrus didn't play much as a 3, but he played the position as you yoursel admit, even in his inital game played as a rookie vs the Miami Heat he did play some 3. You realise he came in the league a unpolished 4, so you don't teach him the 3 position too is my point, it stunts his development. You don't teach like that and it complicates the learning. It's like at a real job, you get hired to do one job and your trained at something you have no business learning. The Bulls brought in Vinny, Hunter and Randy Br. to teach Rose the PG position. All I'm saying can be summed up by in these comments made by John Salmons. This is posted on the Bulls real GM board.
"-- John Salmons had a big debut with the Bucks, scoring 19 points in each of two wins and in both making the clutch plays in the last minute to save the game. Saturday's win was over the Bobcats and former teammate Tyrus Thomas, who also has been impressive, averaging 10.5 points, 11.5 rebounds and five blocks in his two games. Said Salmons: "It was kind of weird seeing him out there. He's playing totally different than he was with the Bulls. Coach (Larry) Brown is letting him explore his offensive game. He's making plays out there and he's looking good."…
The Clippers game had a clip that had Larry teaching Tyrus some post moves, you never even see Vinny even talk to Tyrus, let alone trying to help his game. So I don't think I've said anything contrary to the truth in the situation.
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Re: Official Tyrus Thomas Welcome Thread 

Post#69 » by spectre_ » Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:44 am

RaptorJ wrote:they (Bobcats' fans) seem to be some of the least intelligent posters on RealGM from some of the trash they say.


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Post#70 » by BigSlam » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:59 pm


4:44am? Holy moley man - get some sleep!! We have a late game tonight!!

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I like the way this sounds. It seems that T2 knows his weaknesses but understands this is a great opportunity to get better. Much, much better.

Thomas might be ahead of the game this way: He already understands his liabilities - he can be edgy and moody - and he's been extensively briefed on Brown's priorities and methods.
He says he's excited about playing for a coach that meticulous and that good a teacher. At least so far, he sees Brown's constant correcting as a sign he cares, rather than an annoyance.
"I have a reputation for being a hard-head, a tough-nosed guy. I'm not a true hard-head, but having a hands-on (coach) is good for me," Thomas said.
Thomas said he's used to coaches screaming, "Don't-don't-don't" when he makes a mistake. The difference with Brown is he always follows "Don't," by offering an alternative.
"I know what I'm capable of," Thomas said. "To combine what I can do with what I know he can help me (learn) is going to be something special."


This was my fav part though! Imagine LB being LBJ's coach and trying to break him down to play "the right way"?
(on seeing T2 messing around after practice dribbling back-and-forth through his legs) "He said, 'Hey, you guarded LeBron (James), and he did all of that, and he went nowhere,'"
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Post#71 » by spectre_ » Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:28 pm

My sleep is still screwed up from the LAC game. I'm looking forward to tonight as it'll force me to get back on track.

I said somewhere before, but having a team that already understands that LB isn't criticizing but teaching will help TT immensely in getting the right mindset in playing under him. All the guys have now gone thru it and can talk him back up when it gets to him.

No doubt some will see this as yet more shots at VDN, but we all know the difference between a poor coach vs one of the best. Heh, and one of our examples is VDN's lead assistant!
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Post#72 » by BigSlam » Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:05 pm

spectre_ wrote:I said somewhere before, but having a team that already understands that LB isn't criticizing but teaching will help TT immensely in getting the right mindset in playing under him. All the guys have now gone thru it and can talk him back up when it gets to him.

Totally agree. If he can follow the example that Crash has set, the sky is the limit for the kid.

We are still lacking that one thing that we have been lacking from the day the franchise was introduced. We really need an offensive big man coach. Someone who can teach the guys how to post up, footwork, counters etc. With T2's length the quickness he could have a killer post game. We saw it with that explosion to the rim from the back to the basket dunk he ripped out Vs the Cavs from the low block.

A guy like Kareem or Hakeem teaching a kid like T2 how to execute a running, baby or sky hook would be VERY beneficial.
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Post#74 » by Walt Cronkite » Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:23 pm

Kareem and Hakeem? Slam setting the bar high! :D
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Post#75 » by BigSlam » Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:32 pm

I'm just sick of guys like JB Bickerstaff and LaSalle Thompson being our big man coach. I want someone with some chops. Someone who actually has post moves.

Surely LB has some hooks up with someone who can teach the bigs some Razzle McDazzle in the post?
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Post#77 » by spectre_ » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:45 pm

BigSlam wrote:I'm just sick of guys like JB Bickerstaff and LaSalle Thompson being our big man coach. I want someone with some chops. Someone who actually has post moves.

Surely LB has some hooks up with someone who can teach the bigs some Razzle McDazzle in the post?


ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate to complain about so far back (esp. when there's so much to complain about now!), but I still think we could have developed Okafor so much better than we did if we'd have brought in a true big man coach.

I mean...JBB? Seriously?

Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if LB didn't have to fight to get who he has. Lots of teams cut their staffs by a one or two but I don't think we did.

Thompson is probably just working for food and a cot.
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Re: Official Tyrus Thomas Welcome Thread 

Post#78 » by BigSlam » Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:09 pm

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You said a couple of weeks ago that Tyrus Thomas could thrive under Larry Brown. What are your thoughts on his first few games?

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It's nice to be right once in a while. I think we will see him become the best he can be. I'm so happy for him.
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Post#79 » by BigSlam » Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:51 pm

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With a week to review, which NBA trade is your favorite in terms of affecting this season? Any thoughts on the evils of chewing straws?

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I tweeted this when it happened: the sneakiest trade was Charlotte getting Ty Thomas. They needed a rebounder/shotblocker/athlete and the price was negligible. He has top-4 lottery pedigree and had a couple of bad coaching situations... now he gets to play for Larry Brown on a team that needs him, and Capt. Jack will keep him in line. I loved that gamble by them. It's just hard to believe that MJ made that trade while putting on the 14th at Pebble Beach while holding a cigar.
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Post#80 » by e4Nf6 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:53 pm

I'll go ahead and say it....

Minute for Minute, Thomas has been our best player since he arrived.
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