Official Trade Thread XIII - Summer of 2010

[Dat2U]

Washington already traded Jamison, Butler, and Haywood for cap space. Trading Arenas would complete the overhaul. Rebuilding through the draft like OKC (Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Green, Ibaka) and Portland (Roy, Oden, Aldridge, Batum, Bayless, Webster, Fernandez) is ideal. But it takes some luck of course in drafting the right players and not wasting the picks.

Having Arenas on the team will add more wins but likely not a championship. It would be different if he was 24 instead of 28. A lot of fans would rather get a high draft pick in the hopes of getting a future star player to build around like Durant and Roy.

It's been pointed out that without Arenas' salary, the team is well below the minimum. Someone has to make that green. I'm not knocking the build-through-the-draft scenarios you mention, but they haven't won too much yet, and I don't see why that model can't coexist for awhile with Arenas, for the aforementioned salary reasons. If a trade arises that get a player that's a better fit than Arenas, or a high draft pick, I can understand a trade. I don't understand the rush to dump his salary at this point. He may come back achieve greater value, something a little more than Eddie Curry's expiring.

Agreed. Trading Gil for MORE cap room is overkill when we have no idea what to do with the massive cap space & flexibility already. It's like the 'law of diminishing returns'. More cap room isn't necessarily going to improve our outlook. In fact it's going to be pretty damn hard replacing the production Gil would give us from the perimeter.

LeBron & Wade in reality are pipe dreams.

We could give Joe Johnson max money I guess to steal him away from Atl & NY but would we any better off?

[miller31time]

The argument for trading Arenas for an expirings isn't necessarily to bolster caproom but rather to make us a worse team - something that, from the outside looking in would seem counter-productive.

With Arenas, Blatche and a lotto pick this season, we'll win 30 games a year, even with a terrible supporting cast. 30 wins = just bad enough to miss the playoffs and just good enough to miss out on the draft's top picks.

[Dat2U]

Lastly, this BOYD movement is more of a message board craze and doesn't really happen all that often in real life. If the Wizards do end up making BOYD moves it'll be some low risk, low reward lotto bust like Julian Wright to clear a few mill for NOH. There just aren't trades like AK47 plus the NYK's lotto pick for raw cap space, those types of trades just don't happen all that often. Teams over the cap just chip away with minor deals to get under the lux tax threshold, ala NOH this season. The last note-worthy BOYD trade was Kurt Thomas, but that was like 5 years ago. I'm willing to eat crow, but I'm highly skeptical the Wizards will be able to use their cap space for a BOYD trade which actually improves the team considerably in the future.

All true. I do think if the Wizards make a move, it would be on a much smaller scale. I'd like the Wiz to think out-the-box and be more aggressive but I doubt it will happen. We might not get the Knicks lotto but I'd still take on AK if I could get a C in the draft. I think he'd make our team much better defensively and he's the type of glue guy I'd like to surround Gil & Dray with, even if it might only be on a short term basis.

[Dat2U]

The argument for trading Arenas for an expirings isn't necessarily to bolster caproom but rather to make us a worse team - something that, from the outside looking in would seem counter-productive.

With Arenas, Blatche and a lotto pick this season, we'll win 30 games a year, even with a terrible supporting cast. 30 wins = just bad enough to miss the playoffs and just good enough to miss out on the draft's top picks.

I'm all for tanking when the season is a lost cause, but I don't like the idea of planning to tank considering how miserable the last two years were. And if we trade Gil for the wrong Curry, we'll be looking at another miserable season no matter who we blow our cap room on.

There's nothing wrong with challenging for a playoff spot next year as long as we have a young energetic roster that has the upside to excel down the line. In fact that's an ideal situation to me and would be a complete 180 on what we've experienced recently.

[Hoopalotta]

The argument for trading Arenas for an expirings isn't necessarily to bolster caproom but rather to make us a worse team - something that, from the outside looking in would seem counter-productive.

With Arenas, Blatche and a lotto pick this season, we'll win 30 games a year, even with a terrible supporting cast. 30 wins = just bad enough to miss the playoffs and just good enough to miss out on the draft's top picks.

I understand your reasoning, but we might be drafting a project who's going to take a few years. Well, plus the talent base is pretty shallow, so we'd be quite vulnerable to injuries. But something like Wesley Johnson and Anthony Morrow would probably pull us to that 30 win level, yeah, and without much upside too.

To the broader question.....

The Arenas issue is really a matter of the larger plan of management and ownership as far as when they plan to try and peak the squad. No question that we'd be better next year with Arenas, but it remains to be seen how that fits in with the overall plan.

For myself, I'd like to have more inside info as to what all is possible with BOYD and disposable hero type trades before saying how I feel about trading Gil for cap space. It's very difficult to project with stubborn GM's who might say "Rip Hamilton is an asset that will cost you" instead of "please take him, take my draft pick!". A lot of these guys will lose some serious prestige if they have to dish out assets to ditch one of their own signings. It would of course also be nice to have a good estimate of what the new CBA will look like.

The Free Agent market looks like a minefield with a bunch of guys who are soon to tail off looking to get paid and loads of teams ready to oblige.

I fully expect that after this summer Gil will no longer be universally pegged by media types as "The Worst Contract In The NBA'. There will be some serious competition.

I'm just about ready to say that David lee at half the price will be a better get for somebody than Bosh (not us, I'm saying somebody else). Not that Bosh is old, but $127 million, I mean, whoa.....

[verbal8]

Would Wizards fans be happy if the Wizards traded Arenas for Eddy Curry's expiring contract?

You would also get an extra $6.5 million in cap space this summer and get out of Arenas' contract.

It depends on who the Wizards 1st round pick is. If the Wizards end up with a guy like Aminu or Favors, who will be somewhat of a project I would not mind making the move.

However if they get Wall, Turner or Cousins I would like to see them give "win-now" a shot. The problem with dumping Arenas for no talent in return is that the flexibility it creates will soon be taken up extending Blatche and McGee.

[Mezotarkus]

Some of you may shoot me for this (no pun intended) but I am curious what the Wizards fan mindset is about Arenas and whether there would be any interest in the following trade:

Tyson Chandler ($13m expiring), Nazr Mohammed ($6m expiring), and DJ Augustin for Gilbert Arenas.

Wizards get a complete fresh start salary wise and a promising prospect in Augustin.

[20MexicanosIn1Van]

Some of you may shoot me for this (no pun intended) but I am curious what the Wizards fan mindset is about Arenas and whether there would be any interest in the following trade:

Tyson Chandler ($13m expiring), Nazr Mohammed ($6m expiring), and DJ Augustin for Gilbert Arenas.

Wizards get a complete fresh start salary wise and a promising prospect in Augustin.

I'd do it in a heartbeat. Don't spend any money this summer, and look to totally cash out in Summer of '11. Add that to two lottery picks and this rebuilding thing doesn't take as long as I anticipated. All while the youngings we already have are refining their games.

[AceDegenerate]

Some of you may shoot me for this (no pun intended) but I am curious what the Wizards fan mindset is about Arenas and whether there would be any interest in the following trade:

Tyson Chandler ($13m expiring), Nazr Mohammed ($6m expiring), and DJ Augustin for Gilbert Arenas.

Wizards get a complete fresh start salary wise and a promising prospect in Augustin.

You don't need to ask, just read up.

Most here are willing to trade Gilbert for any garbage that amounts to cap space. Somehow other teams can find value in Arenas, but for the Wizards; definitely not. Bring Out Your Garbage for Arenas trades. Everybody is accepting them here.

[fishercob]

Some of you may shoot me for this (no pun intended) but I am curious what the Wizards fan mindset is about Arenas and whether there would be any interest in the following trade:

Tyson Chandler ($13m expiring), Nazr Mohammed ($6m expiring), and DJ Augustin for Gilbert Arenas.

Wizards get a complete fresh start salary wise and a promising prospect in Augustin.

I'd hit Charlotte up for some pick consideration. At least a first, maybe a second or two as well. Pre-injury Arenas was a better version of Iverson. He'd be an absolute beast in a Larry Brown system surrounded by huge, aggressive defenders. Frankly, it's what the Wiz should have done, instead of putting more all-offense, no-D guys around him.

[LyricalRico]

Some of you may shoot me for this (no pun intended) but I am curious what the Wizards fan mindset is about Arenas and whether there would be any interest in the following trade:

Tyson Chandler ($13m expiring), Nazr Mohammed ($6m expiring), and DJ Augustin for Gilbert Arenas.

Wizards get a complete fresh start salary wise and a promising prospect in Augustin.

Interesting. Chandler+Augustin for Gil is definitely a better return than Eddy Curry, who's name has been thrown around a number of times. We get out of the contract and get guys who can actually play.

I don't see Charlotte wanting Gil, though. But maybe LB sees him as another Iverson-type undersized SG.

[nate33]

Some of you may shoot me for this (no pun intended) but I am curious what the Wizards fan mindset is about Arenas and whether there would be any interest in the following trade:

Tyson Chandler ($13m expiring), Nazr Mohammed ($6m expiring), and DJ Augustin for Gilbert Arenas.

Wizards get a complete fresh start salary wise and a promising prospect in Augustin.

Interesting. Chandler+Augustin for Gil is definitely a better return than Eddy Curry, who's name has been thrown around a number of times. We get out of the contract and get guys who can actually play.

I don't see Charlotte wanting Gil, though. But maybe LB sees him as another Iverson-type undersized SG.

Yeah. Chandler + Augustin for Gil makes some sense. You can keep Mohammed. We don't need the extra salary baggage and Charlotte would need a big man anyhow.

[Rafael122]

I'd never trade within the division.

[MJG]

I'd never trade within the division.

Why not?

[Rafael122]

I'd do it if it were for lower level players, but trading Arenas to a divisional rival? And having to see him 4 games a year? Ship him West if we were to trade him.

[Severn Hoos]

So this is both crazy and unrealistic, but hey - what's a message board for anyway?

Suppose the Wiz get Cousins in the draft. How about sending McGee out for a mid-1st (pick a wing like James Anderson) and then sign Channing Frye as a FA?

It's kinda risky, both in terms of if McGee reaches his potential, and was Frye just playing for a contract? But in theory, think of the crazy mismatches you could create in a 3-man rotation with Cousins beating people up inside, Frye hitting 3s from outside, and Blatche being the do-it-all, mid-range, passing Big?

I know Frye opted out specifically so the Suns could re-up him to a better deal, so I know it won't happen. But that sure would be fun to watch...

[nate33]

So this is both crazy and unrealistic, but hey - what's a message board for anyway?

Suppose the Wiz get Cousins in the draft. How about sending McGee out for a mid-1st (pick a wing like James Anderson) and then sign Channing Frye as a FA?

It's kinda risky, both in terms of if McGee reaches his potential, and was Frye just playing for a contract? But in theory, think of the crazy mismatches you could create in a 3-man rotation with Cousins beating people up inside, Frye hitting 3s from outside, and Blatche being the do-it-all, mid-range, passing Big?

I know Frye opted out specifically so the Suns could re-up him to a better deal, so I know it won't happen. But that sure would be fun to watch...

I'm on board for trading McGee for a guard if we draft Cousins. I'm not sure if I'd take the risk on a mid-1st panning out though. I'd rather try and get Fernandez or maybe adding some incentive to get Harden.

As far as signing a backup center, Frye is a possibility. I have no great love for Frye, but sure, if the price was right, it's worth considering. So would a lot of other free agent centers, both this year and next year. My guess is that Frye is more valuable to Phoenix than he is to us so they would offer more money.

[verbal8]

So this is both crazy and unrealistic, but hey - what's a message board for anyway?
Suppose the Wiz get Cousins in the draft. How about sending McGee out for a mid-1st (pick a wing like James Anderson) and then sign Channing Frye as a FA?

Why give up on McGee for mid first? I think a package of the later picks and maybe a future 2nd or Nick Young should be able to get a mid-first rounder.

Also cap space is another way to address the weaknesses at SG/SF.

It's kinda risky, both in terms of if McGee reaches his potential, and was Frye just playing for a contract? But in theory, think of the crazy mismatches you could create in a 3-man rotation with Cousins beating people up inside, Frye hitting 3s from outside, and Blatche being the do-it-all, mid-range, passing Big?

I think a 4 man rotation with McGee is even harder for teams to match up with. It means Blatche doesn't have to play Center and Frye can be primarily a "stretch-4".

[Dat2U]

So this is both crazy and unrealistic, but hey - what's a message board for anyway?

Suppose the Wiz get Cousins in the draft. How about sending McGee out for a mid-1st (pick a wing like James Anderson) and then sign Channing Frye as a FA?

It's kinda risky, both in terms of if McGee reaches his potential, and was Frye just playing for a contract? But in theory, think of the crazy mismatches you could create in a 3-man rotation with Cousins beating people up inside, Frye hitting 3s from outside, and Blatche being the do-it-all, mid-range, passing Big?

I know Frye opted out specifically so the Suns could re-up him to a better deal, so I know it won't happen. But that sure would be fun to watch...

I don't like it. I'd rather just keep McGee as a backup C (where he seems much more comfortable by the way) and avoid overpaying Frye. I'm not quite ready to give McGee for a mid-1st rounder yet.

Also James Anderson, while a decent NBA prospect, is not someone I'm fawning over to get.

I guess at this stage in the process I'm more interested in adding & keeping athletic talent than finding system guys.

[daddyfivestar]

I posed a Foye question to you all after the trade deadline - would the Wiz match a 4 to 5 mil offer from another team?

Now that he's been the main guard for you for a few months since the suspensions, and with the wiretap story, just wondering if this still holds true... The Laker board is hot for him but not at the full MLE.

Any insight?