Michael Beasley

[dookieguy]

Beasley is over 6-8 witb shoes. Last I heard you play basketball with shoes on.

LMAO at people sayin homers callin him 6-9 when haters are the ones calling him 6-7. Seriously I think everyone accepts the fact that he's roughly a tad over 6-8.

Who cares if the coaching staff see Beasley all the time? It's still Dwade's team.

We ain't sayin that we know Beasley as well as the coachin staff, we're just deducing information based on his college play and the many flashes of brilliance that we believe he may make consistent one day.

I'm sorry Beasley murdered your family man, but just let it go.

[ISB]

What happened to his 3P% this year? He's not a guy who is going to be effective if he can only hit 26% from deep. The Heat are a terrible team for him though.

I struck out miserably on the Beasley vs Rose debate. Beasley was a much, much better college player than Rose, but his game hasn't translated at all. Meanwhile Rose has benefited greatly from the improved spacing in the NBA. I guess I should have seen that coming.

[Blame Rasho]

I think people underrate or just fail to realize how damn hard it is too avg 25/10... seriously... look it up.

[dookieguy]

Bit of a shooting slump. He's been slumpin his only real asset in the Heat offense (his jumper). Thats why he was so much more efficient last year.

A lot of it is shot selection too. *sigh*

This guy just needs to "get" it. I thought he did when he started putting up good numbers and showed significant improvement on his play, bit then he started slumpin.

I really wanna see this guy succeed, hope the Heat trade him off next season. It's suffocating to see so much talent and crucial development years go to waste.

[Optimism Prime]

I think people underrate or just fail to realize how damn hard it is too avg 25/10... seriously... look it up.

I did. Four pages ago. In the last ten years: Duncan once, Webber once, Shaq four times.

[Blame Rasho]

I think people underrate or just fail to realize how damn hard it is too avg 25/10... seriously... look it up.

I did. Four pages ago. In the last ten years: Duncan once, Webber once, Shaq four times.

viewtopic.php?p=17235684#p17235684

I posted it a while ago too my friend

25/10 is a MVP season... lets get that out of the way...

Lets actually count how many players in the past ten years have gotten a 25/10 season...

Shaq had 6 25/10 seasons( in the past ten years, 10 overall seasons of 25/10).... and he still has a 25/10 avg which is ungodly.

You want to know who were the only other players that has gotten a 25/10 seasons after him?

Tim Duncan in his 1st MVP year...

Chris Webber in 2000/2001... which was AI bogus MVP year...

Dirk has missed 25/10 by near decimals...

KG has also missed the 25/10 by decimals in his MVP year.

Lets put that into perspective... all of those players( just 3) got their 25/10 season by playing at a MVP caliber, now you are telling me that Beasley can and will avg a 25/10 for various seasons?

Logic tells us it is an unbelievably hard accomplishment even for HOF players in their primes to even approach the 25/10 barrier, and now Beasley will post 25/10 seasons like Shaq as if it was cake? Consider me a significant doubter.

[ARISE_CHICKEN]

Take that current Bill Simmons article and replace Rasheed Wallace with Michael Beasley and you have a foreshadowing of his career. He is going to be an infuriating player for fans who want to see talented players succeed. I haven't seen anything from him that shows he can be relied upon in any way in terms of mentality. He might need meds or something.

At the same time, I can certainly see him putting up big numbers on another team. Problem is, championship teams play with the discipline that the Miami Heat enforce on their players and if he can't handle that, he will never contribute as anything more than a shaky 3rd option or scorer off the bench for a championship contender.

[Optimism Prime]

I think people underrate or just fail to realize how damn hard it is too avg 25/10... seriously... look it up.

I did. Four pages ago. In the last ten years: Duncan once, Webber once, Shaq four times.

viewtopic.php?p=17235684#p17235684

I posted it a while ago too my friend

25/10 is a MVP season... lets get that out of the way...

Lets actually count how many players in the past ten years have gotten a 25/10 season...

Shaq had 6 25/10 seasons( in the past ten years, 10 overall seasons of 25/10).... and he still has a 25/10 avg which is ungodly.

You want to know who were the only other players that has gotten a 25/10 seasons after him?

Tim Duncan in his 1st MVP year...

Chris Webber in 2000/2001... which was AI bogus MVP year...

Dirk has missed 25/10 by near decimals...

KG has also missed the 25/10 by decimals in his MVP year.

Lets put that into perspective... all of those players( just 3) got their 25/10 season by playing at a MVP caliber, now you are telling me that Beasley can and will avg a 25/10 for various seasons?

Logic tells us it is an unbelievably hard accomplishment even for HOF players in their primes to even approach the 25/10 barrier, and now Beasley will post 25/10 seasons like Shaq as if it was cake? Consider me a significant doubter.

All that said--and not to derail this thread from "BEASYLE IS NOOB/OMFG WAT BEASLY ROOLZ", but I do think there are some guys who can put up 25/10 for a season: Dwight, if he hones his offense. Lebron, if he plays the four full-time. Durant, if he focuses on rebounding more. Bosh, on the right team. I'd say all those guys are at least 3-4 seasons from hitting it; Dwight may be the closest. Beasley? Doubtful.

EDIT: Bosh would be the closest if he doesn't end up with another all-star this offseason.

[Dresta]

This topic was completely unnecessary.

Beasley sucks right now, everyone can agree on that, what more is there to be said?

We all know Beasley sucks, but the reason why the discussion continues is because you have smart people and stupid people arguing about WHY Beasley sucks.


Stupid People: Yes Beasley is playing bad right now but if not for his coach, Wade, Udonis and the Heat system; Beasley would easily shoot 50% and put up about 23/10. Its everyone else’s fault except Beasley's that he's playing poorly right now. I mean c'mon, Beasley has Jennings like speed, Josh Smith explosiveness, Mo Williams shooting touch and Amare' size with Paul Milsap strength. Dude is a 6'9 multi talented, versatile player that can post up SF, & is way too fast for PF to keep up with him. You saw what he did at Kansas State.


Smart People: Beasley is 6'7 with average quickness, average bball IQ and an average motor who plays on the perimeter, so with that alone he is almost guaranteed to shoot a low percentage. He has physical limitations, and even though it doesn't stare at you in the face all signs point to him having problems mentally as well.

It's also time to throw out the excuses that he's not in a good environment to develop. Wade's game does not interfere with any type of frontcourt players. Would anyone say that Wade hindered the efficiency of James Posey, Antoine Walker, or Alonzo Mourning? Is Beasley not the second best player on this team? If the answer to both is no, then that means he can develop into a legit 2nd option if he was ever capable, but all these talks about how Beasley can't become that player on this Heat team, a team that has Wade and a bunch of nobodies, a team that starts a washed up JO and Udonis Haslem at the front, is downright laughable.



So there you have it, some people just don’t know enough about basketball point blank to figure out why Beasley is so average.

What an idiot you are, labeling the opinion of people who don't agree with yours as 'stupid'. You're not so smart buddy. In fact what you said smart people think is just as, if not more stupid then the 'stupid one'. The reality is that Beasley lies somewhere in the middle of those two ridiculous over the top statements. In my opinion he's much closer to the 'stupid opinion' then the smart one, but i can see how people could think differently.

Don't bother responding to me btw, i'm not gonna bother trying to change your mind, because you clearly don't have one.

[Wade2k6]

Who cares if a player is taller if he has a shorter wingspan and standing reach? How exactly does being an inch taller help Griffin more-so then Beasley having 2 inches of standing reach and an inch of wingspan on him? Last time I checked you don't play basketball with your arms at your sides, so wingspan and standing reach is certainly more important then height (in this specific case comparing Beasley and Griffin).
Is he a better athlete? Probably. But is he a far superior athlete? No, he isn't, and it's shown by the numbers at the work outs.

Rudy Gay has a 8'11.25 standing reach, longer than Beasley’s, Does this now mean that Rudy Gay can rebound better than Griffith and Beasley? GTFOH with that. Height has a lot to with being an inside player (which Beasley isn’t to begin with anyway). Any yes, for all intents and purposes regarding playing in the paint, Griffith is FAR SUPERIOR athletically to Beasley.

What does Rudy Gay have to do with this, and why are you dodging my question? Let me ask you again, how exactly does being an inch taller help Griffin more-so then Beasley having 2 inches of standing reach and an inch of wingspan on him?

[I Never Lied]

Why are you guys so afraid to admit to reality?

When i was next to him, he seems just about the same height as Marion.

Exhibit B, Here's a video interview with Durant and Beasley standing right bloody next to eachother...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3661470



Some excerpts from the video:

KD: Some of the things he's [Beasley] is able to do at 6' 7''

MB: *Beasley looks at Durant with embarrassment and quickly interrupts saying:*

HEY MAN!! IM 6' 9''

KD: *Durant looks back at Beasley with the look, like ninja please and replies:*

Aight, I'll GIVE you 6' 8"


I don’t know why you guys get so defensive when I mention Beasley's 6' 7"? Durant has been playing with this undersized tweener since the 6th grade, and called him 6'7 right to his face without even batting an eye. Let me not even touch on the fact that Beasley is CLEARLY 2 inches shorter than Durant as shown in this Video. You guys need to stop being stupid and accept the truth for what it is.

Woefully minuturized tweener though.

[Nupe_1911]

Beasley has shown he can score in this league and play D. It is a matter of getting enough minutes per game (ie. the opportunity) to put up numbers on a night to night basis at the pf position.

I'd say Beasley's play through the first 55 games this year mandated that he get 35 minutes a game. Instead, he was being subbed out of games for players that he was outperforming. Beasley the last 15 to 20 games has really underperformed so he deserves to play less minutes now.

In short, Beasley has been benched regardless of whether he plays well or bad. That is the crux of the problem and summarizes the last two seasons. I don't really see Beasley accomplishing much in Miami as they will attempt to sign a pf this off season which would relegate Beasley to the bench or to sf where he is less effective.

Beasley is a tweener but I don't really think that is an issue as his wingspan, above average athleticism and skill level are more than enough for him to get by on.

[I Never Lied]

Beasley has shown he can score in this league and play D. It is a matter of getting enough minutes per game (ie. the opportunity) to put up numbers on a night to night basis at the pf position.

I'd say Beasley's play through the first 55 games this year mandated that he get 35 minutes a game. Instead, he was being subbed out of games for players that he was outperforming. Beasley the last 15 to 20 games has really underperformed so he deserves to play less minutes now.

In short, Beasley has been benched regardless of whether he plays well or bad. That is the crux of the problem and summarizes the last two seasons. I don't really see Beasley accomplishing much in Miami as they will attempt to sign a pf this off season which would relegate Beasley to the bench or to sf where he is less effective.

Beasley is a tweener but I don't really think that is an issue as his wingspan, above average athleticism and skill level are more than enough for him to get by on.

Yeah he could get by, but he's supposed to excel as the number 2 pick not just be average. When I say Beasley is a bust. I don’t mean he's d-league trash, I just mean he's average and the Heat didn’t tank an entire season to get an average rebounder who can just "get by" playing PF at 6' 7"

[CoolD]

Who cares if a player is taller if he has a shorter wingspan and standing reach? How exactly does being an inch taller help Griffin more-so then Beasley having 2 inches of standing reach and an inch of wingspan on him? Last time I checked you don't play basketball with your arms at your sides, so wingspan and standing reach is certainly more important then height (in this specific case comparing Beasley and Griffin).
Is he a better athlete? Probably. But is he a far superior athlete? No, he isn't, and it's shown by the numbers at the work outs.

Rudy Gay has a 8'11.25 standing reach, longer than Beasley’s, Does this now mean that Rudy Gay can rebound better than Griffith and Beasley? GTFOH with that. Height has a lot to with being an inside player (which Beasley isn’t to begin with anyway). Any yes, for all intents and purposes regarding playing in the paint, Griffith is FAR SUPERIOR athletically to Beasley.

Griffin has yet to play an NBA game, lets not get ahead of ourselves.
Young players usually have some growing pains..
Will see how the Griffing bust threads will start, or not real superstar material once he actually plays and has a couple bad stretches.

Right now Beasley might or might not be a bust, will see this more clear in a year or two.
Beasley might be a late bloomer, but yes there are aspects to his game, and psyche that are worrisome to say the least, but I hope you attack Griffin as hard Beasley, if he does struggle. Not all NBA players are LeBron James from day one, but you might be right.

[SOUP]

Maybe if nets get Wall heat could get harris for beasley. Wall/beasley/lopez and another FA would be a nice core. Beasley would thrive being the main scoring option.

We have enough PFs on the Nets with low Bball IQ. We don't need a severely undersized 6'7 - 6'8 one. I think the best deal for the Heat would of been to trade im to the Suns for Amare.

[Vertical Limit]

I saw a video before of Kevin Durant and Michael Beasley together and Durant easily had 2 inches on him. Durant is listed at 6'9. Udonis Haslem is listed at 6'8 and he looks bigger than Beasley. I think Beasley is 6'7.

[Dresta]

Durant is actually 6'11, and i've seen them standing text to each other live, Beasley is noticeably bigger then Haslem.

[HEATindaHouse]

Maybe if nets get Wall heat could get harris for beasley. Wall/beasley/lopez and another FA would be a nice core. Beasley would thrive being the main scoring option.

We have enough PFs on the Nets with low Bball IQ. We don't need a severely undersized 6'7 - 6'8 one. I think the best deal for the Heat would of been to trade im to the Suns for Amare.

The best thing for the Heat is to add Bosh or Amare
and bring B-easy off- the bench ...

So the heat can have B-easy as a six man with championship contenting team...

a bust is this years number 2 pick not some one who's avg 15 point per game as a 7 youngest
player in the NBA come 'son........

[I Never Lied]

Durant is actually 6'11....

So just because I proved my point beyond a shadow of a doubt that Beasley is indeed 6' 7" , you now have to resort to blatant lying? What is it about RealGM that when someone is right about something people just don’t concede the point? Don’t you feel even a little ashamed that you would insult your own intelligence by lying to yourself and claiming Durant is 6'11?? I mean c'mon, do you think ANYBODY here believes you?

[I Never Lied]

Maybe if nets get Wall heat could get harris for beasley. Wall/beasley/lopez and another FA would be a nice core. Beasley would thrive being the main scoring option.

We have enough PFs on the Nets with low Bball IQ. We don't need a severely undersized 6'7 - 6'8 one. I think the best deal for the Heat would of been to trade im to the Suns for Amare.

The best thing for the Heat is to add Bosh or Amare
and bring B-easy off- the bench ...

So the heat can have B-easy as a six man with championship contenting team...

a bust is this years number 2 pick not some one who's avg 15 point per game as a 7 youngest
player in the NBA come 'son........

I've already explained what I mean by bust when referring to Beasley. If you read through the thread you would see that. It says a lot that even non-heat fans have recognized he has a low Bball IQ and that he's severely undersized at 6'7. He just made the NBA biggest chucker list and is shooting 44% FG. That is atrocious for a PF no matter how old you are. Number 2 picks are supposed to be franchise players, not sixth men, especially after the Heat tanked and entire season to get the number 2 pick.