And the next dominant powerforward is. . .

Post #21 » by **CellarDoor** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:16 pm

People toss the word dominant around WAY too freely these days. There are no future dominant PFs that aren't already there in the league currently. Beasley won't dominate, he will impress, but you need defense to dominate. (Think TD, KG, even guys like Brand)
Out of those not there yet with the best chance to do so I would go with Bosh. If his defense continues to improve he will be dominant.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #22 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:18 pm

farzi wrote:None of the above

me too

Soul Patch · Post #23 » by **Soul Patch** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:04 pm

Just wait until Paul "The Paperboy" Millsap evolves into The Mailman.

Post #24 » by **Young_Star11** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:36 am

Millsap out of that list quite easily IMO.

Maxiell doesn't have much upside to be any more than a good bench player.
Powe is over-rated by his fans, although he can get better
Bass showed some glimpses, but is again, over-rated by his fans

Jase · Post #25 » by **Jase** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:27 pm

I'd take Bass over any of the rest of them, but no way do I think he'll make the All Star team.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #26 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:41 am

Josh McRoberts has Pau Gasol potential. I'd take him. From this list, I'd go with Leon Powe, who really looks like a dynamite scorer and rebounder. Per-36 minutes he put up 20 & 10. Could be a future break-out star.

thegreatblaze · Post #27 » by **thegreatblaze** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:46 am

Bucky O'Hare wrote:Josh McRoberts has Pau Gasol potential. I'd take him.

rofl, you've got to be the biggest homer I've ever seen. Josh McRobert's was on the Blazers last year and I saw nothing that would lead anyone to believe he could be on Gasol's level. He can develop into a decent role player at best. Nothing more.

Blame Rasho · Post #28 » by **Blame Rasho** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:25 am

Roger Murdock wrote:I think Beasley could potentially be an allstar next year. I think hes the next great big man in the NBA even if he is one of the smallest big men in the league. I think he will be the best rookie since Duncan.

I expect a 25ppg career average and 10+ boards.

Honestly do you think about what you are posting...

fivas14 · Post #29 » by **fivas14** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:33 am

Milsap
Bass
Powe
Maxiell

Post #30 » by **mojomarc** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:15 am

Soul Patch wrote:Just wait until Paul "The Paperboy" Millsap evolves into The Mailman.

Do they call him "The Paperboy" because everything he throws up from farther than three feet from the porch ends up in the bushes?

fivas14 · Post #31 » by **fivas14** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:23 am

mojomarc wrote:
Soul Patch wrote:Just wait until Paul "The Paperboy" Millsap evolves into The Mailman.

Do they call him "The Paperboy" because everything he throws up from farther than three feet from the porch ends up in the bushes?

Actually Paul has a VERY good jump shot for a rebounding power forward. You'd be amazed at how good he's getting and shooting the 15 footer.

leevii · Post #32 » by **leevii** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:36 am

where is Shawne Williams??? and don't even get me started about Maceo Baston!!!1!!2

Post #33 » by **mojomarc** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:47 am

fivas14 wrote:
mojomarc wrote:
Soul Patch wrote:Just wait until Paul "The Paperboy" Millsap evolves into The Mailman.

Do they call him "The Paperboy" because everything he throws up from farther than three feet from the porch ends up in the bushes?

Actually Paul has a VERY good jump shot for a rebounding power forward. You'd be amazed at how good he's getting and shooting the 15 footer.

According to the hot spots page at NBA.com, for every zone outside of the immediate vicinity of the rim Milsap was a combined 51-142 last year. I'm sure I didn't watch him shoot much from out there last year, but I find 36% not exactly VERY good. Who are you comparing him to when you judge him VERY good?

Roger Murdock · Post #34 » by **Roger Murdock** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:58 am

Blame Rasho wrote:
Roger Murdock wrote:I think Beasley could potentially be an allstar next year. I think hes the next great big man in the NBA even if he is one of the smallest big men in the league. I think he will be the best rookie since Duncan.

I expect a 25ppg career average and 10+ boards.

Honestly do you think about what you are posting...

For at least 10 years of his career i can easily see him averaging that. I think hes going to be absolutely sick. 20 pts and 10 boards next year would make him the best rookie since duncan, and i think he can pull it off. I havent been as impressed from a college player in a long time as i was with him.

Honestly whats so unrealistic about 25 and 10? Brand is a 20 and 10 player and has nowhere near the offensive skillset that beasly can potentially develop. Im sure the last few years of his career could slow him down, or he could bust compeletly, but assuming he pans out i think hes going to be the best forward in the league not named lebron james. Whats so unreal about that cause i would love to hear how its not possible.

Blame Rasho · Post #35 » by **Blame Rasho** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:03 am

Roger Murdock wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:
Roger Murdock wrote:I think Beasley could potentially be an allstar next year. I think hes the next great big man in the NBA even if he is one of the smallest big men in the league. I think he will be the best rookie since Duncan.

I expect a 25ppg career average and 10+ boards.

Honestly do you think about what you are posting...

For at least 10 years of his career i can easily see him averaging that. I think hes going to be absolutely sick. 20 pts and 10 boards next year would make him the best rookie since duncan, and i think he can pull it off. I havent been as impressed from a college player in a long time as i was with him.

Honestly whats so unrealistic about 25 and 10? Brand is a 20 and 10 player and has nowhere near the offensive skillset that beasly can potentially develop. Im sure the last few years of his career could slow him down, or he could bust compeletly, but assuming he pans out i think hes going to be the best forward in the league not named lebron james. Whats so unreal about that cause i would love to hear how its not possible.

Right now there is only one player today that has a career avg 25/10... his name is Shaq.

Oh in the past 10 years... go and look for the amount of players that have had a 25/10 season... it is a very short list and you expect him to match Shaqs feat?

Don't tell me it is realistic when you have not even thought about how big and hard the accomplishment is.

Post #36 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:18 am

20/10 isn't out of reach... improbable, surely, but he's not going to have primary defensive attention on him because of Wade and there WILL be offensive opportunities sufficient to afford him 18+ shots a game. Elton Brand was a 20/10 rookie, for example.

Of course, Brand's about 6'10 in shoes and has an unholy wingspan (about 7'6) and a standing reach of 9'2 to go with his strength and athleticism. Beasley, of course, is primarily a face-up guy who is 1.25" shorter than Brand in shoes, missing 6" of wing span (he's a hair over 7' there) and 3" shy in standing reach.

I'm inclined to believe that he'll be a 7-9 rpg player, personally, but I do not think that 20+ ppg is out of the question for him, even as a rookie. It all depends on how Spolestra arranges the offense and just how good Beasley is.

He has pretty good range on his jumper, he draws fouls well (and can hit them at a solid clip), he's efficient and skilled around the rim and can face-up and drive from various spots. He's really strong and can bull his way through contact and he's got good scoring moves out of the high post.

25 ppg wouldn't surprise me... not as a rookie, of course, but in general from Beasley.

Having said that, he's never played an NBA game and he had both ups and downs in even the summer league and college, so we have to wait and see.

I know you're harping mainly on the 25/10 combo, Rasho, and that makes sense to me, but let's keep the scoring in perspective, especially in view of the strong similarities between Beasley and 'Melo offensively... Anthony himself being a career 24.4 ppg scorer so far, an average brought DOWN by virtue of averaging 21 and 20.8 ppg in his first two seasons.

Note that he's gone for 26.5, 28.9 and 25.7 ppg since then. Carmelo is almost an inch shorter than Beasley and has a standing reach about 1.5" less than Beasley's and yet his strength and physicality in conjunction with his finesse skills in the triple-threat position allow him to be an efficient, high-volume scorer... and he doesn't even get the same kind of love from the refs that guys like Kobe, Lebron and Wade do. Carmelo "makes do" with between 7.5 and 9 FTA/g compared to the 10-12 that those guys usually get.

Anyway, the point is that Beasley has superior physical tools and a similarly polished offensive game and that means the potential is there... the mindset certainly is and you know that the team needs another big-time scorer (especially given how shallow the roster is) and that Wade would love to have someone else handle the defense some to give him a breather (he's said as much, repeatedly). So the situation matches the mentality and the physical tools. We'll see if his game is up to it.

Blame Rasho · Post #37 » by **Blame Rasho** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:11 am

25/10 is a MVP season... lets get that out of the way...

Lets actually count how many players in the past ten years have gotten a 25/10 season...

Shaq had 6 25/10 seasons( in the past ten years, 10 overall seasons of 25/10).... and he still has a 25/10 avg which is ungodly.

You want to know who were the only other players that has gotten a 25/10 seasons after him?

Tim Duncan in his 1st MVP year...

Chris Webber in 2000/2001... which was AI bogus MVP year...

Dirk has missed 25/10 by near decimals...

KG has also missed the 25/10 by decimals in his MVP year.

Lets put that into perspective... all of those players( just 4) got their 25/10 season by playing at a MVP caliber, now you are tell me that Beasley can and will avg a 25/10 for various seasons?

Logic tells us it is an unbelievably hard accomplishment even for HOF players in their primes to even approach the 25/10 barrier, and now Beasley will post 25/10 seasons like Shaq as if it was cake? Consider me a significant doubter.

Roger Murdock · Post #38 » by **Roger Murdock** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:09 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:25/10 is a MVP season... lets get that out of the way...

Lets actually count how many players in the past ten years have gotten a 25/10 season...

Shaq had 6 25/10 seasons( in the past ten years, 10 overall seasons of 25/10).... and he still has a 25/10 avg which is ungodly.

You want to know who were the only other players that has gotten a 25/10 seasons after him?

Tim Duncan in his 1st MVP year...

Chris Webber in 2000/2001... which was AI bogus MVP year...

Dirk has missed 25/10 by near decimals...

KG has also missed the 25/10 by decimals in his MVP year.

Lets put that into perspective... all of those players( just 4) got their 25/10 season by playing at a MVP caliber, now you are tell me that Beasley can and will avg a 25/10 for various seasons?

Logic tells us it is an unbelievably hard accomplishment even for HOF players in their primes to even approach the 25/10 barrier, and now Beasley will post 25/10 seasons like Shaq as if it was cake? Consider me a significant doubter.

I think if he pans out he can put up over a 10 year peak averages of at least 25 ppg. I think hes a player who could fall flat on his face next year and still averge 16ppg. I could see him averaging 20ppg his rookie year. I really do think he will perenially be a top 5 scorer in the league when he peaks.

Comparing him to shaq, duncan, kg, and webber arent good comparasons for him, even though i think statically he will be similar. His game is nothing at all like theirs. His impact will be completely different, and in all likelyhood he wont be as good as those players. I will be dumbfounded if he can ever be as good as shaq or duncan.

However i see him being similar to Amare on offense. Someone who touches the ball looking to score first, unlike the guys you listed who play more methodically and look to make the right play.

I think hes got the game to get to the line 8+ times a game, score 3 pointers, and midrange jays, while attacking the hoop and scoring down low. I think he has got the total scoring package. I could see him leading the league in ppg some seasons and being a potential 30+ ppg scorer in his prime. I dont see any reason why over the 10 best years of his career he cant average around 25ppg between them.

Rebounding i think will be tougher for him because he will likely play lots of minutes at the 3. However he showed to be a terrific rebounder last year and if he plays primarily as a 4 i think he can be a double double guy.

I dont think the guy has a chance in hell as being as good as shaq or duncan. I doubt hes as good as KG but i think it could be an outside chance.

Im not trying to compare him to those guys, in terms of impact, but rather a second teir big like Amare. Assuming beasley pans out and doesnt drink himself out of the league on south beach, i can definatly see him being an amare type player, even better.

fivas14 · Post #39 » by **fivas14** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:15 pm

mojomarc wrote:
fivas14 wrote:
mojomarc wrote:Do they call him "The Paperboy" because everything he throws up from farther than three feet from the porch ends up in the bushes?

Actually Paul has a VERY good jump shot for a rebounding power forward. You'd be amazed at how good he's getting and shooting the 15 footer.

According to the hot spots page at NBA.com, for every zone outside of the immediate vicinity of the rim Milsap was a combined 51-142 last year. I'm sure I didn't watch him shoot much from out there last year, but I find 36% not exactly VERY good. Who are you comparing him to when you judge him VERY good?

I wasn't comparing him to anybody, his jump shot at the end of the season was GREAT. The early part of the season brought down his %

dreamcloud · Post #40 » by **dreamcloud** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:26 pm

fivas14 wrote:
mojomarc wrote:
fivas14 wrote:
Actually Paul has a VERY good jump shot for a rebounding power forward. You'd be amazed at how good he's getting and shooting the 15 footer.

According to the hot spots page at NBA.com, for every zone outside of the immediate vicinity of the rim Milsap was a combined 51-142 last year. I'm sure I didn't watch him shoot much from out there last year, but I find 36% not exactly VERY good. Who are you comparing him to when you judge him VERY good?

I wasn't comparing him to anybody, his jump shot at the end of the season was GREAT. The early part of the season brought down his %

He shot 38% for his last 10 games of the seasons outside of the rim (this is excluding the 3 pointers he took for some reason as well), I wouldn't consider that GREAT either.

Which of the following PFs will be most dominant 5 seasons from now