ESPN BS Report rumour: Bosh for Bynum already done?

[MacDaddy]

Reignman, why don't you get rid of that "lulz" attitude and people may start taking you seriously. I swear, you've told us you've been laughing like 200 times in this thread.

That's because people keep posting laughable rubbish.

[The Skyhook]

All I know is that Kobe team USA wasn't really Kobe's team. It was more like everyone's team. The Lakers are Kobe's team and Bosh would not have it easy in L.A. Kobe would hop on his ass about defense and effort from the moment would come to L.A. I'm honestly not sure how Bynum would deal with being the number 1 option. He would easily give a team 20+ a night as a first option but he could very well do that as a 2nd option. It would be strange seeing Bynum take on the burden of having his own team at this time.

The Lakers are basically raising him right now so that he can take over the team when he is older. I like Bynum a lot but I still look at him as little kid because he doesn't have much responsibility on the team. Kobe alone takes it upon himself to be the most responsible. Other than Pau and Fisher it doesn't appear like anyone else has been given the responsibility capable of leading a team. I'm sure Bynum could do it but es enjoying himself too much right now in L.A. to even be thinking about having a team of his own.

I don't see this deal going down though especially if the Lakers win a championship. Unless there are some chemistry problems behind the scenes that the public doesn't know about I can't see a reason for the Lakers to trade Bynum. (Yes even with the injuries, He is still a good fit.)

[Reignman]

I'm going to bounce from this thread but have one parting thought:

Please think back to the perception of Pau Gasol on Memphis and compare it to the recognition he gets now as an overall player. Now try to understand why I believe Bosh's game would look different on that team.

[raps4life~]

Reignman, why don't you get rid of that "lulz" attitude and people may start taking you seriously. I swear, you've told us you've been laughing like 200 times in this thread.

That's because people keep posting laughable rubbish.

There's no problem with refuting what people are saying. But is it necessary to say stuff like "This Ish is soooo funny, keep going" after every post?

[Reignman]

Reignman, why don't you get rid of that "lulz" attitude and people may start taking you seriously. I swear, you've told us you've been laughing like 200 times in this thread.

That's because people keep posting laughable rubbish.

There's no problem with refuting what people are saying. But is it necessary to say stuff like "This Ish is soooo funny, keep going" after every post?

I'm kind of an ass when I read ridiculous opinions and the mods let me know when I'm going over the line (see previous page). No need to worry about stuff like that.

[NBA Sheady]

Reignman, why don't you get rid of that "lulz" attitude and people may start taking you seriously. I swear, you've told us you've been laughing like 200 times in this thread.

Considering you guys have me laughing through the last couple of pages what do you expect?

The respect that adults generally show each one another.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

The respect that adults generally show each one another.

This board has adults on it?!

Does anyone know if Kareem is part of the deal?.......

[Reignman]

Reignman, why don't you get rid of that "lulz" attitude and people may start taking you seriously. I swear, you've told us you've been laughing like 200 times in this thread.

Considering you guys have me laughing through the last couple of pages what do you expect?

The respect that adults generally show each one another.

You again? If you want to be treated like an adult then post like an adult. You said Bosh's defense in the Olympics constituted him (paraphrasing because I don't want to go back and quote you AGAIN) "chasing point guards around and acting like he was playing D while not helping his team win."

If you want a serious response don't post rubbish.

[garbagnani]

Bosh isn't one of the great two-way players like Kobe / LBJ / Wade / Duncan, so when he's the #1 offensive option on a team his defense will suffer because of it.
-no doubt bosh isnt near that class. I know that his defense suffers. He plays pylon defense in order to avoid fouls. you cant blame BC for not surrounding bosh with players that are better than him so that bosh can play some defense.

Now you take a look at our starting lineup to start the season of Jose/DD/Hedo/Bosh/Bargs where Bosh is the best defender of the lot and you think he's a "big part" of our defensive woes?
Why focus on our lineup that started the season? (rhetorical, you chose this because it is a terrible defensive lineup). This changes nothing, Bosh is a terrible defender, especially man defense, boshs help defense is mediocre at best. we gets chances all game to get blocks from weak side and barely averages 1bpg.

No, a big part of our defensive issue is caused by 3 starters who make close to $30 mil combined that barely play any defense
Bosh is a terrible defender man, say what you want, blame everyone else, blame bc, blame the supporting cast, deflecting blame doesnt change the fact that Bosh is a horrible defender.

why do you make so many excuses for Bosh, yet no excuses for BC, for the team? clearly you are more of a Bosh fan than a raptors fan. I am a fan of both, for better or worse. I can admit that my favorite team is flawed, as I can admit one of my favorite players (bosh) is flawed as well.

[raps4life~]

We're going to end up getting some scrubs in return for Bosh, and those of you hating on this deal will be pissed off BC didn't "pull the trigger".

[Tommy Gun]

Our team is a good offensive team BECAUSE OF BOSH. You think bums like Bargnani, Calderon and Hedo could do jack all if Bosh wasnt' the one drawing ALL the attention of the defense? The best offensive player Bosh has played next to in the last 5 years has been Mike James.

Keep bringing it, I'm having a ton of fun right now.

We are a good offensive team because of Bosh. Unfortunately WE ARE ALSO A HORRIBLE DEFENSIVE TEAM because of Bosh too (not just him ,but a big part of it).

Nope. Year in and year out, we have been far better defensively when Bosh is on the court then when he is off. That's not even up for debate--it's just a fact. That hold true even when this team was actually good on D. thats before Scrubnani started playing C and getting minutes. Again, just the facts.

[pspot]

All I know is that Kobe team USA wasn't really Kobe's team. It was more like everyone's team. The Lakers are Kobe's team and Bosh would not have it easy in L.A. Kobe would hop on his ass about defense and effort from the moment would come to L.A. I'm honestly not sure how Bynum would deal with being the number 1 option. He would easily give a team 20+ a night as a first option but he could very well do that as a 2nd option. It would be strange seeing Bynum take on the burden of having his own team at this time.

The Lakers are basically raising him right now so that he can take over the team when he is older. I like Bynum a lot but I still look at him as little kid because he doesn't have much responsibility on the team. Kobe alone takes it upon himself to be the most responsible. Other than Pau and Fisher it doesn't appear like anyone else has been given the responsibility capable of leading a team. I'm sure Bynum could do it but es enjoying himself too much right now in L.A. to even be thinking about having a team of his own.

I don't see this deal going down though especially if the Lakers win a championship. Unless there are some chemistry problems behind the scenes that the public doesn't know about I can't see a reason for the Lakers to trade Bynum. (Yes even with the injuries, He is still a good fit.)

I'll ignore the 2nd part cause its a buzz kill

I think Turk could be a good influence on Bynum and hopefully share a lot of what he did with Howard with Bynum. I think he'd really help facilitate Bynum's game and hopefully visa versa

[Reignman]

Bosh isn't one of the great two-way players like Kobe / LBJ / Wade / Duncan, so when he's the #1 offensive option on a team his defense will suffer because of it.
-no doubt bosh isnt near that class. I know that his defense suffers. He plays pylon defense in order to avoid fouls. you cant blame BC for not surrounding bosh with players that are better than him so that bosh can play some defense.

Now you take a look at our starting lineup to start the season of Jose/DD/Hedo/Bosh/Bargs where Bosh is the best defender of the lot and you think he's a "big part" of our defensive woes?
Why focus on our lineup that started the season? (rhetorical, you chose this because it is a terrible defensive lineup). This changes nothing, Bosh is a terrible defender, especially man defense, boshs help defense is mediocre at best. we gets chances all game to get blocks from weak side and barely averages 1bpg.

No, a big part of our defensive issue is caused by 3 starters who make close to $30 mil combined that barely play any defense
Bosh is a terrible defender man, say what you want, blame everyone else, blame bc, blame the supporting cast, deflecting blame doesnt change the fact that Bosh is a horrible defender.

why do you make so many excuses for Bosh, yet no excuses for BC, for the team? clearly you are more of a Bosh fan than a raptors fan. I am a fan of both, for better or worse. I can admit that my favorite team is flawed, as I can admit one of my favorite players (bosh) is flawed as well.

When you look at our roster (I can list all of them if you want) how can you say a Bosh fan isn't a Raptor fan?

He's basically the only player on this team that would start on every good team. Give me a player better than Bosh and I'll make the trade in a sec and I'm sure that player would become my favourite player on this team but we know that won't happen.

Bosh is flawed when compared to the great two-way players in the game (Kobe/LBJ/Wade/Duncan) but I don't dwell on that fact because I never thought Bosh was as good as them to begin with. However, what do you do when your star player has weaknesses? You build a team to mask those weaknesses right? Well, BC has done a piss poor job of that and the players he brought in only perpetuate those weaknesses. That's why I rag on BC and the supporting cast, because I love the Raps and wish they built a better team around Bosh so that the Raptors could be successful.

[Truthrising]

I just hope that the lakers will choke. if this is the case I believe this rumour will have a better chance of coming to fruition.

[Truthrising]

Bosh isn't one of the great two-way players like Kobe / LBJ / Wade / Duncan, so when he's the #1 offensive option on a team his defense will suffer because of it.
-no doubt bosh isnt near that class. I know that his defense suffers. He plays pylon defense in order to avoid fouls. you cant blame BC for not surrounding bosh with players that are better than him so that bosh can play some defense.

Now you take a look at our starting lineup to start the season of Jose/DD/Hedo/Bosh/Bargs where Bosh is the best defender of the lot and you think he's a "big part" of our defensive woes?
Why focus on our lineup that started the season? (rhetorical, you chose this because it is a terrible defensive lineup). This changes nothing, Bosh is a terrible defender, especially man defense, boshs help defense is mediocre at best. we gets chances all game to get blocks from weak side and barely averages 1bpg.

No, a big part of our defensive issue is caused by 3 starters who make close to $30 mil combined that barely play any defense
Bosh is a terrible defender man, say what you want, blame everyone else, blame bc, blame the supporting cast, deflecting blame doesnt change the fact that Bosh is a horrible defender.

why do you make so many excuses for Bosh, yet no excuses for BC, for the team? clearly you are more of a Bosh fan than a raptors fan. I am a fan of both, for better or worse. I can admit that my favorite team is flawed, as I can admit one of my favorite players (bosh) is flawed as well.

When you look at our roster (I can list all of them if you want) how can you say a Bosh fan isn't a Raptor fan?

He's basically the only player on this team that would start on every good team. Give me a player better than Bosh and I'll make the trade in a sec and I'm sure that player would become my favourite player on this team but we know that won't happen.

Bosh is flawed when compared to the great two-way players in the game (Kobe/LBJ/Wade/Duncan) but I don't dwell on that fact because I never thought Bosh was as good as them to begin with. However, what do you do when your star player has weaknesses? You build a team to mask those weaknesses right? Well, BC has done a piss poor job of that and the players he brought in only perpetuate those weaknesses. That's why I rag on BC and the supporting cast, because I love the Raps and wish they built a better team around Bosh so that the Raptors could be successful.

Here, here. It was a mistake to have a bargnani and bosh frontcourt to start with, im pretty sure he knows that experiment has failed. Hopefully he can change his thought about playing euro ball and try and and implement a more traditional front court. So a deal for bynum would be a good start in the right path.

[Tha Cynic]

Bynum's ego? Where does that come from? That one clip that's been going around Youtube for years where he screams for the ball? Bynum is probably the Lakers' most quiet player, and he never demands anything. The guy just goes out there and plays, all the while knowing that when he does something wrong, Phil Jackson will let him know it, and when he plays well, Phil Jackson will pretend it never happened. This goes to show how easily people who don't watch a player can judge him, based on really nothing. I don't know anything about his personal life, but on the court, he does not play with an ego.

Anyone who is questioning his game hasn't watched the guy play; he would do wonders for the interior defense on this team. Sure he hasn't put up great stats, but that's because he's playing with two guys with big egos in Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol. Him and Lamar Odom kind of get lost because those two are always looking to get things done on offense. If you watched the guy play whenever Gasol was injured, you would know that he would easily be the East's best center or right there with Bogut, if he ever came here. The guy can flat out do everything except shoot jumpers, and even that he's starting add to his game.

For the Raptors, this is a good deal, but for the Lakers this makes no sense. They need outside shooting, or a PG who can defend and shoot, not another big man who needs space to operate on offense.

[raps4life~]

he would easily be the East's best center or right there with Bogut, if he ever came here.

Other than that, good post.

[Truthrising]

Bynum's ego? Where does that come from? That one clip that's been going around Youtube for years where he screams for the ball? Bynum is probably the Lakers' most quiet player, and he never demands anything. The guy just goes out there and plays, all the while knowing that when he does something wrong, Phil Jackson will let him know it, and when he plays well, Phil Jackson will pretend it never happened. This goes to show how easily people who don't watch a player can judge him, based on really nothing. I don't know anything about his personal life, but on the court, he does not play with an ego.

Anyone who is questioning his game hasn't watched the guy play; he would do wonders for the interior defense on this team. Sure he hasn't put up great stats, but that's because he's playing with two guys with big egos in Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol. Him and Lamar Odom kind of get lost because those two are always looking to get things done on offense. If you watched the guy play whenever Gasol was injured, you would know that he would easily be the East's best center or right there with Bogut, if he ever came here. The guy can flat out do everything except shoot jumpers, and even that he's starting add to his game.

For the Raptors, this is a good deal, but for the Lakers this makes no sense. They need outside shooting, or a PG who can defend and shoot, not another big man who needs space to operate on offense.

Had him in my fantasy pool, and I was praying that gasol would be injured a little longer because he was an absolute beast without gasol. Pretty much grabbing 12 or 14 or 17 rebounds in cosecutive game plus putting in 20+ points.

[Vorticity]

LOL are people seriously questioning Bosh’s defensive ability playing with the Lakers?
If anything, Bosh will be a phenomenal defender playing for the Lakers. People are seriously underrating Bosh’s ability to help out on defense. If you look at the Bosh even right now playing with some defensively challenged players, he always at the place at the right time to contest shots. Now, just imagine Bosh on the Lakers with Kobe and Artest. Seriously.

I'm glad others can find the humour in this as much as I am.

Likewie, you can be assured that there are many here who think your POV on things is just stubbornly tunnel-visioned, subjective and short sighted, yet don't bother to tell you.

[satyr9]

Bynum's ego? Where does that come from? That one clip that's been going around Youtube for years where he screams for the ball? Bynum is probably the Lakers' most quiet player, and he never demands anything. The guy just goes out there and plays, all the while knowing that when he does something wrong, Phil Jackson will let him know it, and when he plays well, Phil Jackson will pretend it never happened. This goes to show how easily people who don't watch a player can judge him, based on really nothing. I don't know anything about his personal life, but on the court, he does not play with an ego.

Anyone who is questioning his game hasn't watched the guy play; he would do wonders for the interior defense on this team. Sure he hasn't put up great stats, but that's because he's playing with two guys with big egos in Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol. Him and Lamar Odom kind of get lost because those two are always looking to get things done on offense. If you watched the guy play whenever Gasol was injured, you would know that he would easily be the East's best center or right there with Bogut, if he ever came here. The guy can flat out do everything except shoot jumpers, and even that he's starting add to his game.

For the Raptors, this is a good deal, but for the Lakers this makes no sense. They need outside shooting, or a PG who can defend and shoot, not another big man who needs space to operate on offense.

I mentioned it as a concern and after reading this, I can't honestly say why. Maybe it was mentioned earlier in the thread and it just slotted in for me; maybe it's that clip (although I don't think that's it). Anyway, I'm owning up, 'cause you're right that he's got no significant history to base it on.

Giving it a tiny bit of thought, you know what I think it is? It's simply the sheer number of stories about starting. They're never about his ego, but because he's always coming back from injury, you hear so many, should he or shouldn't he, will he or won't he, is it Odom or Bynum type stories, and so often those kinds of stories revolve around ego issues when they're about other players that I may have just started to assign the characteristic to Bynum. That sounds like the worst kind of equivocation, but I can't point to anything else, 'cause he certainly hasn't done anything to earn it in the press.

The only other thing I can think of is how the Lakers talked about him. He's off the table for Kidd or Gasol or whoever they wanted before because he's just such a special talent. None of it's from Bynum's mouth, but the Lakers organization definitely has ego and I probably just ascribed some it to him without thinking.

To be superduper clear, I only bring up the last two 'graphs, not to defend the idea, because I don't think I have any personal bias against the kid, but I did have it in my head he was a bit of a LA-only, I'm a superstar type guy, and I'm not sure why, so they're a lame attempt to figure out why I thought that way.

Anyway, thanks for calling me on it, 'cause it got in my head from somewhere and would've stuck if you hadn't pointed that out.