Houston readying full-court press for Bosh

[disoblige]

Why is then unreasonable to to suggest he would not want Bargnani at 5 years 50 mil, when David Andersen is doing a similar job for 2.5 mil? .

You might as well put a sign on your back that says kick me.

Bargnani and Anderson are similar in the way a Porsche is to a Ford Focus. They are both cars, and one is a lot cheaper. It's like saying that DeMar is like Wade, only costs us $14 million less. What a bargain!

Bargnani is five years younger and beats Anderson in almost every category

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=4205

Your analogy is flawed, because I think Morey would view both Andersen and Bargnani as stopgaps. To continue with your analogy, my BMW (Yao) in in the shop, and I need a rental. I can either rent the Ford Focus (Andersen) or the Porsche (Bargs). Since Morey is a cheapskate (like any good GM should be), he is going for the Focus.

In any case, adjusted on a per 36 minute basis:

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Season    Age  Tm  G  GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2009-10    24 TOR 80  80 2799 6.9 14.7 .470 1.6 4.2 .372 2.3 3.0 .774 1.4 5.0 6.3 1.2 0.3 1.4 1.5 2.8 17.7
2009-10    29 HOU 63  0 891 5.9 13.7 .432 1.1 3.2 .346 1.9 2.7 .687 2.2 6.2 8.4 1.8 0.6 0.5 1.5 4.8 14.8


The playing field becomes more level. Andersen less efficient, Bargnani a far inferior rebounder.

I love when you made fun of dagger for using fg%, not TS%.

According to you, Bosh ts% and bargnani ts% is huge. "Andersen less efficient" is a big understatement. Their difference is bigger than between bosh and bargnani.

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[Ripp]

If they're faced with the possibility of him going to LA or Miami instead, Morey could well be the one who makes the deal include Turk to ensure they stay at the top of the heap.

Then what is the implication of this? if CB chooses Miami on July 1st, a Houston offer to take on Turk is irrelevant, no?

...and where in that quote do I say that I *expect* that deal to happen... or that it puts BC in the drivers seat?

If you read my earlier post - its says clearly that it's dependent on CB keeping his chosen destination(s) to himself and letting BC work with the other GM to make a good deal. It means that if Bosh gives BC a list of more that one team he is willing to go to and other good offers are being made, that Morey may up his offer since he's made it so public that Chris is not just an option, but a priority.

I think you are just being unrealistic, at this point. On July 1st, teams will come to visit Bosh. He will then choose one destination, and let BC know which one he chose. Bosh has implied as much himself, in his end-of-season presser, then reiterated this via Twitter. This article suggests the same. The only person advocating this "list" idea is Colangelo, a guy who is evidently being ignored by all other relevant parties.

[junot111]

There seems little doubt around the NBA that financial issues will force the Raptors to trade Bosh.

Huh?

It was a mild winter in Canada so obviously our economy is hurting. Not enough snow to export, loss of revenue from the down igloo market, etc. Obviously that will affect the Toronto Raptors money situation.

[junot111]

I just realized.. the Rockets have #14. That's right after ours. We'll be able to make two consecutive picks which decreases the chance of having a failed draft.

Orton + Henry thanks much

I am also not interested in Trevor Ariza. It's not that I think he's a terrible player, but his full MLE contract combined with his skillset is just redundant in Toronto. We have DeRozan and Weems who might not be as good, but have the potential to be (a lot) better one day.

I like Budinger, and the idea of Bud + DeRozan + Weems intrigues me, but if we can't get him then I'd also love Battier who would be a great presence in the locker room and mentor the young guns

so if it's just

Jared Jeffries
Jordan Hill
#14
Rockets 2011 1st + option to swap w/ NYK
2012 1st (Knicks)

w/ either
Shane Battier

or

Chase Budinger +

then I'd be pretty happy

[The Duke]

Draft takes place before the period of official S+T deals....

I just realized.. the Rockets have #14. That's right after ours. We'll be able to make two consecutive picks which decreases the chance of having a failed draft.

Orton + Henry thanks much

I am also not interested in Trevor Ariza. It's not that I think he's a terrible player, but his full MLE contract combined with his skillset is just redundant in Toronto. We have DeRozan and Weems who might not be as good, but have the potential to be (a lot) better one day.

I like Budinger, and the idea of Bud + DeRozan + Weems intrigues me, but if we can't get him then I'd also love Battier who would be a great presence in the locker room and mentor the young guns

so if it's just

Jared Jeffries
Jordan Hill
#14
Rockets 2011 1st + option to swap w/ NYK

w/ either
Shane Battier

or

Chase Budinger +

then I'd be pretty happy

[TribeZulu]

As far as trading partners go, I find Houston most appealing. With them, we probably won't have to take back a really bad contract, and we'd like get picks. Plus they are over the cap, so we've got more leverage because Bosh can't sign with them outright.

[gregdj]

Seems inevitable... just hope BC gets us a decent package in return (and I'm not even confident that he will).

I've lowered my expectations to about 30 cents on the dollar.

ouch... you really think BC can fail more than he already has?

[junot111]

Draft takes place before the period of official S+T deals....

I just realized.. the Rockets have #14. That's right after ours. We'll be able to make two consecutive picks which decreases the chance of having a failed draft.

Orton + Henry thanks much

I am also not interested in Trevor Ariza. It's not that I think he's a terrible player, but his full MLE contract combined with his skillset is just redundant in Toronto. We have DeRozan and Weems who might not be as good, but have the potential to be (a lot) better one day.

I like Budinger, and the idea of Bud + DeRozan + Weems intrigues me, but if we can't get him then I'd also love Battier who would be a great presence in the locker room and mentor the young guns

so if it's just

Jared Jeffries
Jordan Hill
#14
Rockets 2011 1st + option to swap w/ NYK

w/ either
Shane Battier

or

Chase Budinger +

then I'd be pretty happy

Yes but it's a simple matter of BC telling them who to pick, as the Pacers did for the Roy Hibbert pick

[junot111]

This seems realistic:

Bosh

for

Jeffries (expiring)
Battier (bought out, will return to Rockets)
$3 million cash (to facilitate the Battier buyout)
Hill
Rights to Rockets' 2010 first round pick (14th overall)
2011 Knicks first
2012 higher of Houston or New York's pick

I'd ask for Lowry too and trade Calderon for Rip Hamilton.

Obviously it's not ideal to lose your best player without a stud coming back, but Hill has some potential and was a No. 8 pick, the Rockets pick could bring a decent player.
The Knicks picks could be good or could be used to trade up later as was mentioned.
Jeffries, Banks and Evans could get you something good from a team looking to dump a star making a lot of money.

Getting Lowry too would allow the Raptors to ship Jose for a swingman (Rip or Maggette).

Hypothetical lineup:
PG Jack/Lowry or Eric Bledsoe
SG Hamilton/DeRozan
SF Turkoglu/Weems/14th pick
PF Johnson/Hill
C Bargnani/Whiteside or Orton or Alabi

Trade fodder: Jeffries, Banks, Evans, Belinelli

if we get Battier then we better not buy him out

[Kreamy]

I don't think BC should rule anything out at this point, including the involvement of Turkoglu in a deal.

Houston has made the mistake of going all in and betting everything on Bosh, by the looks of it. If they're faced with the possibility of him going to LA or Miami instead, Morey could well be the one who makes the deal include Turk to ensure they stay at the top of the heap.

Chris would have to keep his selection(s) private for this to be possible, but we'll have to wait for the playoffs to end before we know what other teams really do or don't think about Chris. I think CB wants to wait until after July 1 so he can be wined and dined and have sunshine blown up his rear, but Morey knows everything could be arranged well before the FA period starts if other teams are in the mix. By putting this out the way he did, he is making his overtures to Chris indirectly through the media - it was a risky move but he had to tip his hand to Chris well before the date. He realizes Chris wants some attention and decided to give it to him, but CB is still under contract with the Raptors - so Morey is essentially tampering with the deadline rules the way I see it.

Turkoglu would probably be a much better fit in Houston, much the same way he was in Orlando and would have been in Portland, than he is here. They could run the offense through him - he'd be a pretty decent fit playing with Yao and a scoring guard like Brooks. It's not like Ariza was a world beater for them this year.

[TheMainEvent]

Only player I'd like from Houston is Battier. Maybe Scola.

But I certainly wouldn't mind the expirings and draft picks.

[FirstInkTDot]

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

Make it so

[Local_NG_Idiot]

Turkoglu would probably be a much better fit in Houston, much the same way he was in Orlando and would have been in Portland, than he is here. They could run the offense through him - he'd be a pretty decent fit playing with Yao and a scoring guard like Brooks. It's not like Ariza was a world beater for them this year.

I really don't think they take on Hedo because of their already poor starting defenders at the 1 and 2.

[GhostRaider2007]

I have a question that maybe someone here can answer. I have seen several trades here suggest that Houston trade this years pick, their 2011 pick which they have the option of swapping with the Knicks, and either their 2012 pick or the 2012 pick they just acquired from the Knicks as well.

The question I have and also know I am not bashing any of those suggesting those trade scenarios but isn't there a rule in place that forbids the trading of multiple consecutive first round draft picks from one team to another that would prevent this?

Again know that I am not bashing these scenarios. I am just confused as I have heard others here at RealGm mention this rule before so I am know asking would that rule apply here or is there a way to get around it that would allow these scenarios that would allow them to trade their 2010, 2011, 2012 first round draft picks to us.

[hype_2004]

If Houston does not beleive that Yao can get back to 100% then why not acquire him? I think a sign and trade between Bosh for Yao + picks is the way to go. The rights to Bosh starts and ends with Yao Ming and their picks. If I were Colangelo I would seriously hardball Houston to see if they really covet Bosh, Toronto has the power in this transaction, if Moerey doesn not budge then we can get v alue elsewhere to trade Bosh and maybe dump Hedo in the process for TPE and picks.

[Lucky26]

There seems little doubt around the NBA that financial issues will force the Raptors to trade Bosh.

Huh?

It was a mild winter in Canada so obviously our economy is hurting. Not enough snow to export, loss of revenue from the down igloo market, etc. Obviously that will affect the Toronto Raptors money situation.

Nice.

[Indeed]

Turkoglu would probably be a much better fit in Houston, much the same way he was in Orlando and would have been in Portland, than he is here. They could run the offense through him - he'd be a pretty decent fit playing with Yao and a scoring guard like Brooks. It's not like Ariza was a world beater for them this year.

I really don't think they take on Hedo because of their already poor starting defenders at the 1 and 2.

You are right, they won't, because the salary doesn't match. Unless they send us Martin or Arizan back.
And probably not Hedo. It would be Jose instead.

And most likely BC will give Hedo another chance, since his number is identical in 40 minutes measure. His usage rate is just low, down by half of his Orlando stats in terms of usage, FGA, FTA, and etc.

[hype_2004]

I agree with some others.. if they want Bosh.. They better start talking with brooks and scola first..

Yao Ming with half a leg can do more for this franchise at the ticket gates and international market than a healthy Brooks and Scola.

[Contract Season]

I have a question that maybe someone here can answer. I have seen several trades here suggest that Houston trade this years pick, their 2011 pick which they have the option of swapping with the Knicks, and either their 2012 pick or the 2012 pick they just acquired from the Knicks as well.

The question I have and also know I am not bashing any of those suggesting those trade scenarios but isn't there a rule in place that forbids the trading of multiple consecutive first round draft picks from one team to another that would prevent this?

Again know that I am not bashing these scenarios. I am just confused as I have heard others here at RealGm mention this rule before so I am know asking would that rule apply here or is there a way to get around it that would allow these scenarios that would allow them to trade their 2010, 2011, 2012 first round draft picks to us.

You are right, here's the way around it:
Toronto tells Houston who to pick at 14. Houston makes the pick then later trades the draft rights to the Raptors. That allows Houston to trade its pick next year as well.
New York can't trade its 2011 first because Utah gets its 2010. So it would be a 2012 pick from the Knicks.

[Volcano]

I agree with some others.. if they want Bosh.. They better start talking with brooks and scola first..

Yao Ming with half a leg can do more for this franchise at the ticket gates and international market than a healthy Brooks and Scola.

are you getting a piece of the pot? I'd rather build a better team, not a more marketable one.