OT: Report: Cavaliers make offer to Tom Izzo

[red222]

if the cavs are open up to a s+t how far down are we on that list?????????

Well it doesn't matter where on the list we are own. LBJ picks his team and they work on a S&T. Also they won't let LBJ know they are okay with a S&T. They tell LBJ, if you leave, we will not help you. For example if LBJ says I'm going to Chicago, he can't sign to the 9th, so Cleveland than contacts us to work something out.

thats right its exactly like the bosh scenario sorry i am little tired after last night

[red222]

espn says izzo is close to leaving for cavs

[lu9]

Here's my incredibly optimistic theory.

LeBron's gone.

Cav's are resigned to rebuilding through the draft. Who better to coach this young crew than Tom Izzo?

[Jordan45822]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5271586

[Gordon Bombay]

if the cavs are open up to a s+t how far down are we on that list?????????

if we do a s/t with you guys, it will just be for the tpe and draft picks. we wouldn't be taking back deng or hinrich so you could maintain your cap space

[Sever82]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5271586

So he's close but so is Byron Scott. But ultimately it sounds like Izzo is there number one choice and if he says yes, it trumps Scott. This might be lebron is staying might not but if Lebron stays in cleveland, thats fine with me, as long as he doesn't go to NY

[red222]

if the cavs are open up to a s+t how far down are we on that list?????????

if we do a s/t with you guys, it will just be for the tpe and draft picks. we wouldn't be taking back deng or hinrich so you could maintain your cap space

but if gilbert wants to field a good team minus bron i could see deng and picks going to the cavs unlikely yes but gilbert may wanna maintain competitiveness as a sign of goodwill to izzo "wishful thinking" i know

[RyGuy24]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5271586

So he's close but so is Byron Scott. But ultimately it sounds like Izzo is there number one choice and if he says yes, it trumps Scott. This might be lebron is staying might not but if Lebron stays in cleveland, thats fine with me, as long as he doesn't go to NY

Pretty much like the NO coaching search. Izzo is choice number 1 (like Thibs), they will probably give him another week at the most to think about it, and if he hasn't decided, give him a deadline. If he says no, move on to Byron Scott (Monty Williams) who you know will take it quick.

[red222]

Despite Izzo's impending visit and momentum, a lot of people close to him still believe he'll stay at Michigan State. At least as of now
http://twitter.com/PDcavsinsider

[davhern]

Andy Katz reporting that Izzo is leaning toward taking the Cavs job - if it is offered

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/n ... id=5271586

That source discussed Izzo's future with a close confidant of Izzo's who is coaching in the NBA. The source told Katz that Izzo, who talked to his team earlier this week about his interest in the Cavaliers, is leaning toward taking the job if it is offered.

"Three weeks ago that wasn't the case, but it has changed,'' the source said.

A person familiar with his travel plans told The Associated Press that the Michigan State coach arrived in Cleveland on Thursday afternoon.The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the Cavs are not commenting on their coaching search.

Izzo landed at County Airport in Richmond Heights, Ohio. His plane, which left East Lansing, Mich., was diverted there because of the number of TV cameras at Burke Lakefront Airport, the person said. Cavs owner Dan Gilbert did arrive at Burke, which is a short drive from Quicken Loans Arena, the Cavs' downtown home.

"Coach Izzo made me aware he is meeting with Cleveland," Michigan State athletic director Mark Hollis said in a statement. "The details of any meetings are between him and me."

Izzo isn't the only coach interested in the Cavaliers' job, which may or may not include the chance to coach free agent LeBron James. Wednesday night, an NBA Eastern Conference executive with knowledge of the Cavaliers' thinking told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard that Byron Scott is a strong candidate to be offered the job.

The executive told Broussard that Scott is on equal footing with Izzo.

[Ajosu]

Maybe, but is it stupid if it's a move meant to attempt to convince LeBron to stay and they don't know either way if he is?

I can't really say that I blame them for being desperate.

Yes, because he's stataed that he doesn't want his fingerprints on this coaching decision for the Cavs. Also, they haven't done squat to improve their roster, which is the main reason they haven't won a championship.

What does him wanting or not wanting his fingerprints on the hire have to do with them doing everything they think they possibly can to convince him to stay? He means a hell of a lot to that franchise in many, many ways. You can't blame them at all for being desperate.

I'm not sure how else to say it. Why would the Cavs think they might convince Lebron to stay by hiring Izzo, when Lebron himself has said he doesn't want to handpick their coach? Of course he means a lot to their franchise, and of course they're desperate. That doesn't meant it's not stupid to throw $30 million at Izzo, hoping that this will convince Lebron to stay, when he clearly isn't weighing much of his decision on where he goes based on the coach.

[Ajosu]

If you hire a coach, you should be happy with him even if it doesn't net you Lebron. I'll be happy with the Thibodeau hire even if we don't get Lebron. Now, Izzo isn't a bad candidate. But with the amount of money they threw at him, I am inclined to believe that it's more about Lebron, and less about Izzo. Just looks like a desperate move to me, even if Izzo is an intriguing coach. We all know the history of college coaches that come to the NBA to coach BAD teams. It doesn't end well.

[Ajosu]

If the Cavs don't get Lebron, they're almost better off hiring a Vinny-like candidate. A rookie coach gets his feet wet, while the team starts to rebuild. The coach is certain to be thrown under the bus eventually, as the losses pile up. Don't hire a guy that you really like, and put him in a position to fail.

[davhern]

Yes, because he's stataed that he doesn't want his fingerprints on this coaching decision for the Cavs. Also, they haven't done squat to improve their roster, which is the main reason they haven't won a championship.

What does him wanting or not wanting his fingerprints on the hire have to do with them doing everything they think they possibly can to convince him to stay? He means a hell of a lot to that franchise in many, many ways. You can't blame them at all for being desperate.

I'm not sure how else to say it. Why would the Cavs think they might convince Lebron to stay by hiring Izzo, when Lebron himself has said he doesn't want to handpick their coach? Of course he means a lot to their franchise, and of course they're desperate. That doesn't meant it's not stupid to throw $30 million at Izzo, hoping that this will convince Lebron to stay, when he clearly isn't weighing much of his decision on where he goes based on the coach.

Him not wanting his fingerprints on the coaching hire does not mean he doesn't care who the coach is or isn't weighing his decision on it. It could mean he doesn't want to give input because he doesn't want to influence Cavs decision making in the event that he may leave... it could mean that he has already decided he is leaving and doesn't want to influence their decision making for that reason. I don't see why you would think that him not wanting to take part in the decision means that he doesn't care who the coach is in Cleveland.

[red222]

In past 24 hours, Tom Izzo has told confidants how "sick of recruiting" he's become in college. Says that's big part of possible NBA move.
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

[Ajosu]

I'm not sure how else to say it. Why would the Cavs think they might convince Lebron to stay by hiring Izzo, when Lebron himself has said he doesn't want to handpick their coach? Of course he means a lot to their franchise, and of course they're desperate. That doesn't meant it's not stupid to throw $30 million at Izzo, hoping that this will convince Lebron to stay, when he clearly isn't weighing much of his decision on where he goes based on the coach.

Him not wanting his fingerprints on the coaching hire does not mean he doesn't care who the coach is or isn't weighing his decision on it. It could mean he doesn't want to give input because he doesn't want to influence Cavs decision making in the event that he may leave... it could mean that he has already decided he is leaving and doesn't want to influence their decision making for that reason. I don't see why you would think that him not wanting to take part in the decision means that he doesn't care who the coach is in Cleveland.

And I don't see why you think giving Izzo $30 million is a smart move, with Lebron far from certain about where he will go, and potentially even leaning towards Chicago. It may be a desperate move, and it may be based more on Lebron than it is on Izzo himself. But it's not smart, because I highly doubt that is enough to sway Lebron's decision.

I could be wrong, but if I were the GM, I would focus more on upgrading my roster. Maybe that's just not possible at this point, but that would be my focus. I'd try to hire the best coach possible, but I wouldn't massively overpay for one on the off chance that Lebron is wowed by the hire.

[Ajosu]

$30 million is a lot of money for a coin toss.

[davhern]

I didn't say it was smart. I said I can't really blame them for doing desperate and outrageous (and irrational) things. Losing LeBron will do lots of damage to that franchise.

[Ajosu]

I didn't say it was smart. I said I can't really blame them for doing desperate and outrageous (and irrational) things. Losing LeBron will do lots of damage to that franchise.

Well, it certianly appeared as if you were saying it was smart, assuming "smart" is the opposite of "stupid."

Maybe, but is it stupid if it's a move meant to attempt to convince LeBron to stay and they don't know either way if he is?

I can't really say that I blame them for being desperate.

Yes, because he's stataed that he doesn't want his fingerprints on this coaching decision for the Cavs. Also, they haven't done squat to improve their roster, which is the main reason they haven't won a championship.

[davhern]

I didn't say it was smart. I said I can't really blame them for doing desperate and outrageous (and irrational) things. Losing LeBron will do lots of damage to that franchise.

Well, it certianly appeared as if you were saying it was smart, assuming "smart" is the opposite of "stupid."

Maybe, but is it stupid if it's a move meant to attempt to convince LeBron to stay and they don't know either way if he is?

I can't really say that I blame them for being desperate.

Yes, because he's stataed that he doesn't want his fingerprints on this coaching decision for the Cavs. Also, they haven't done squat to improve their roster, which is the main reason they haven't won a championship.

I didn't realize there was no middle ground between stupid and smart... and I was asking a question for the sake of discussion, not arguing that hiring Izzo was necessarily a smart move. I was attempting to play devil's advocate for why they're doing what they're doing.