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Ye of little faith 

Post#1 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:42 am

I'm the last person around here who ought to be giving a GD rahrah, but some of you spoiled chickenlittles need to pull your heads out of your feathered behinds. Some adversity creeps in and ya'll are running to the hen house, in typical Suns fan fashion. Have you no faith in Nash ? Hill ? JRich ? Dudley ? Dragic ? Lopez ? You think these guys are going to cry in their cornflakes over these departures? I am not thrilled with Starver, and I'm sure some players feel similar.... but these guys are alleged professionals, paid handsomely, to play basketball. I gotta a feeling thats what they intend to do.

Haven't we all heard sermon after sermon how Nash makes everyone better ? Well does he ? Or was Nash's success a bi-product of the Amazing Amare ? Remember, who got extended? Add a decent Big Man or three into the slurry and watch Gentry and Nash figure out how to maintain this total team concept. Which, IMO, is the reason for our successful season. We ran 10 guys out there like a hockey team. Why was the chemistry good? Most everybody added to the test tube. Guys had confidence. A chance.

And all that chemistry is going to evaporate over losing Stat and Kerr/Griffin? Pretty fragile formula if so. Or does chemistry even matter? It sure was a banner ya'll waved proudly as if it meant something.....

Come on... fair f-n weather boys... undo the nooses and remember that we've been here before.

Stat was 50/50 gone... no surprise. Last I checked, Kerr nor Griffin lace em up for 82. Yet some around here are running around as if it is 12/22/2012. "MY GOD WE LOST A TEMPORARY GM AND HIS BOYWONDER ASSISTANT... WERE DOOOMED"

The bandwagon is departing... and it looks a lot lighter all of a sudden.

Yeah, and we will miss Stat. But if you can honestly say that we are are on our last gasps, then you really are saying this style of play, and lets just call it what it is.... NashBall.... is a gimmick. And then you might shut the window for good and call for a blow up. Which, in a sense, we are positioned to do. Send Nash and his yoyo-ing basketball packing. Throw in the towel... and throw it on Nash.

The off season has just started. Dont pull out your snot rags till we see what have going into Oct. We aren't changing our style, which is still the most entertaining BBall to watch. Believe it or not, I think Sarver knows this. Gentry is here, and he has the loyalty of the remaining cast. We will see just how good our new core is. The Young Ones are going to have to step up their games. We'll pick up a few new pieces and play ball. Stay healthy and there is no way we can be as good or better ? Give me a break. We will be in the mix again. This is a talented team. Just dont over rate them based on last year. But at least give Nash and co some F-n credit. They are not going to lay down and cry like some of you.

BTW, I think Hootie told me these guys went to the WCFs last yr didnt they ? Spread the credit around a bit, they all had a piece of that pie. They all tasted it. And Kerr didn't bake it, Griffin didn't slice it, and Stat didn't serve it. I am not going to under rate their impacts, but, jeezus, the bakery is still open.









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Post#2 » by chefsunsfan7 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:08 pm

Umm. Let's see how exciting the team is when we loose Amare and Sarver doesn't open his wallet to replace him. As in no Lee, no significant free agent.
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Post#3 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:43 pm

I dont know what you are cookin Chef... but it tastes like the standard weakass broth thats being served everywhere.
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Post#4 » by JasonDaPsycho » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:03 pm

I never ever thought the chemistry would be gone when Kerr was fired (whoever brought that up must be stupid).
I don't think Amar'e leaving will break the chemistry either.

I don't see why anyone would think that. They must have confused the word "chemisry" with "morale".

Anyways, if we can't re-sign Amar'e or obtain a power forward who fits into our system, that won't be Nashball.

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Post#5 » by nanoclarkology » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:37 pm

While I am highly disappointed that Kerr and Griffin are exiting. I am not the glass is half empty. Granted I am not a verbal on here as some. I am a Stat fan and hope he stays. However I know better now.

If we keep the team the way it is. Take the money from Amare and resign Frye and Lou. That would be nice. Then basically we move Clark up whether it be starting PF or Lou, and then put Clark in the second unit.

I think we will be fine. I just am looking forward to football season now.
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Post#6 » by Cash » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:49 pm

I agree that it's pointless to panic at this stage. Wait until Amare, Frye, and Lou all leave, and we get a $arver press conference introducing Dwayne Jones as our first-round pick. Certainly the current GM saga does not bode well, but nothing disastrous has actually happened yet. And even if Amare walks with no compensation, Nash & Gentry aren't going anywhere next year, so the team will at a minimum be fun to watch.

It is very disappointing to see Kerr leave just as he was really getting a handle on the job (much like Colangelo a couple years ago), but maybe we'll get an equally good GM to replace him. But was anyone else terrified to see Billy King's name listed in Coro's last column?
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Post#7 » by JohnVancouver » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:49 pm

I agree with Frank in essence but it's fair to say that there may be some disenchantment with the owner after losing two guys who were so well thought-of. Kerr and Griffin, although it's been reported elsewhere that Griff had served notice some time ago.

Let's discount that, then

Amar'e and extension/max contract or nearabouts has been a bone of contention. Let's discount that as well- it's sad if he goes, but I can appreciate hesitation in given him that kind of money over that span of time. The team could conceivably improve with $20 million a year spent on 2 other players.

Kerr's leaving came out of the blue and was an unsettling capper to what had been an unexpectedly successful season. We all imagined it to be 'onward and upward', and the details have not been reassuring. Kerr's lobbying for some raises for support staff - which he clearly felt were deserved, else he would not have suggested it - and being rebuffed, seems to reinforce our worst estimations of Sarver.

So that's what it boils down to, isn't it? Kerr suddenly announces he's gone, after we've decided we love the guy and he's our architect, etc.

Maybe it's not the death knell some are interpreting it as, but it has put a bit of a pall over my summer.
But there's always 46 and 60 to look forward to - right?
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Post#8 » by rsavaj » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:54 pm

I think the reason we're freaking out is that there has to be something very, very wrong with the franchise if the architect(Kerr) and the lifer(Griffin) decide to jump ship. And if they're worried enough to bounce, then we're worried as well.

But the fact remains that Kerr was a calming and influential force with the team. He bridged the gap between ownership and the coaches and players and he was on exactly the same page with Alvin Gentry. Team trusted him and, as a result, trusted Sarver. Now that important link is gone.

Unless the Suns promote Senior VP of Basketball Operations David Griffin to the job, there will be a huge period of adjustment for anyone coming from the outside and that new GM will be walking right into the middle of the toughest player decision the team has ever faced (Amar'e). The wrong decision here, along with a negative reaction from Nash and Hill, would threaten to destroy the greatest asset the 2009/10 Suns had going -- chemistry
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Post#9 » by MaryvalesFinest » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:05 pm

I know most people will probably disagree with me but I'm glad both those guys left. The Suns could do much better and almost any GM and assistant GM will be an improvement over them.
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Post#10 » by enigmatics » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:08 pm

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Post#11 » by grumpysaddle » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:14 pm

MaryvalesFinest wrote:I know most people will probably disagree with me but I'm glad both those guys left. The Suns could do much better and almost any GM and assistant GM will be an improvement over them.


Maybe now they'll get someone to trade Nash for Marbury and get rid of the rest of the white dudes playing on the Suns (Lou) just for MVF. The Suns will finally have the only thing that really matters in basketball back! SWAGGER! cause swagger toooooootally wins games. duh.
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Post#12 » by MaryvalesFinest » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:23 pm

grumpysaddle wrote:
MaryvalesFinest wrote:I know most people will probably disagree with me but I'm glad both those guys left. The Suns could do much better and almost any GM and assistant GM will be an improvement over them.


Maybe now they'll get someone to trade Nash for Marbury and get rid of the rest of the white dudes playing on the Suns (Lou) just for MVF. The Suns will finally have the only thing that really matters in basketball back! SWAGGER! cause swagger toooooootally wins games. duh.


I never said that but now that you brought it up, good idea...
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Post#13 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:29 pm

JohnVancouver wrote:I agree with Frank in essence but it's fair to say that there may be some disenchantment with the owner after losing two guys who were so well thought-of. Kerr and Griffin, although it's been reported elsewhere that Griff had served notice some time ago.

Let's discount that, then

Amar'e and extension/max contract or nearabouts has been a bone of contention. Let's discount that as well- it's sad if he goes, but I can appreciate hesitation in given him that kind of money over that span of time. The team could conceivably improve with $20 million a year spent on 2 other players.

Kerr's leaving came out of the blue and was an unsettling capper to what had been an unexpectedly successful season. We all imagined it to be 'onward and upward', and the details have not been reassuring. Kerr's lobbying for some raises for support staff - which he clearly felt were deserved, else he would not have suggested it - and being rebuffed, seems to reinforce our worst estimations of Sarver.

So that's what it boils down to, isn't it? Kerr suddenly announces he's gone, after we've decided we love the guy and he's our architect, etc.

Maybe it's not the death knell some are interpreting it as, but it has put a bit of a pall over my summer.
But there's always 46 and 60 to look forward to - right?


a sane take... less sanguine but sane. I dont think all is right and hunky and dory but I'm not short changing the existing personnel's
abilities and desires. Nash and Hill will be as instrumental as anyone in filling the bigsneakers left open by Stat.

Its a wait and see scenario... not a run for the hills
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Post#14 » by JasonDaPsycho » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:47 am

MaryvalesFinest wrote:I know most people will probably disagree with me but I'm glad both those guys left. The Suns could do much better and almost any GM and assistant GM will be an improvement over them.

So I take that as you would like to see Isaiah Thomas be our GM.
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Post#15 » by MaryvalesFinest » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:57 am

JasonDaPsycho wrote:
MaryvalesFinest wrote:I know most people will probably disagree with me but I'm glad both those guys left. The Suns could do much better and almost any GM and assistant GM will be an improvement over them.


So I take that as you would like to see Isaiah Thomas be our GM.


As long as there's a no trading draft picks for players clause in his contract, yes he was a good drafter. :lol:

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