Wiz Acquire Hinrich, Seraphin, $3M for Veermenko's rights

[Hoopalotta]

The main point, however, that we could have gotten to the 11, is fair enough. We could have traded the 18 and the 30 for the 11, or bought the 25 and traded it and the 18 for the 11.

We're still left with Heinrich but we have Henry, Patterson, or Davis + Peterson instead of Seraphin.

That's a fair assessment, we could have most likely had 11 with 18 and 30 and 18 might have been attainable if we had sent cash considerations (that guy can pay, I mean play).

Though I'm probably mad as a hatter and haven't run the numbers yet, my instincts would have liked to have ended up with 11 & 17 for Henry and Seraphin.

Let's get greedy and cap ourselves out.

[sfam]

I think that's just a bunch of arbitrary distinctions regarding Seattle and OKC that doesn't mean much. One was a continuation of the other. I have no interest in getting into that and I don't see how a team move came into this, but I will say that there is no OKC model without a bunch of cap space and we have certainly not been averse to enacting what you would describe as "Seattle". And I must say that the assessment of the Capitols situation that you laid out doesn't seem much of a counter point for what I was suggesting. It actually seemed to make the exact opposite point (ie. "Ted is tanky")

But my position isn't really to convince anyone of anything. If you don't like any of this, that's fine, I don't ask anyone to like it nor do I even have a particularly strong opinion as to what we should do. One could make compelling arguments either way. Worst cases: keep Gil and we top out as a sixth seed before fading/ tank and we get the 10th pick for the next three years. Best cases: assorted good things based on drafts or free agency. I don't really know.

The main thing though is that I was just mentioning what it looks like. I mean, we just tried to trade Gil for Vince Carter a couple of days ago. That ain't a subtle hint. And Ric Bucher said on draft night that there's "several teams" interested.

I can fully understand why someone wouldn't like that, I'm just saying "there it is".

Absolutely agree. It would be incredibly risk-averse to trade Gil now for stale peanuts (Eddy Curry) without really seeing how he plays with Wall. Personally, I think Gil's history points far more to him being successful as a combo 2 guard. His assists may go down, but I bet he still does well on steals, points and perhaps even bumps up on rebounds. If he's great with Wall, I think we strongly consider keeping him for the length of the contract. Again, talent like that doesn't come around very often. If he becomes more of a "me-first, get my stats" kind of guy, I still contend he has lots more value at the trade deadline than he does today. In short, unless internally he's proving to be a continuing cancer, I see no real argument for trading Gil now.

[omegatronic3]

Seraphin is either Ronny Turiaf or NeNe . From what I can see hes not that big but pretty athletic.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm just not sure tanking is the right option. I don't see us pulling a NJ or Minnesota and winning 15 to 20 games next year. Even with a Wall/Hinrich backcourt I think were still capable of winning 25-30 games. And I'm not sure there's value in tanking for the 8th or 9th pick in the draft.

There certainly isn't. This draft only had one true franchise player and we lucked into him. Cousins and Turner IMO are two other great prospects, but tanking and then seeing where we end up in the lottery process seems like a terrible idea. We've sucked for decades and went back to the lottery well again and again with no results. Count me squarely against the idea of actually planning to utilize it again.

I believe Favors and Wesley Johnson will be all stars, with Favors possibly a HOF-type player. I think Anderson will be an Alex English-type scorer. I think Greg Monroe will be a quality big man for years to come. I think many players in this draft will be impact players. Turner is going to be hugely impactful in Philadelphia.

I think outside of Cousins, at least two or three PFs will be franchise players. Favors, Monroe and possibly Davis and Larry Sanders will come into the league better than many veteran PFs.

[hands11]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5327783

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ons/100625

Gil n Wall together

[verbal8]

Seraphin is either Ronny Turiaf or NeNe . From what I can see hes not that big but pretty athletic.

I think a healthy NeNe is what they are hoping for with the pick. I think he is a little bigger than Turiaf, who is undersized at Center.

In general I am pretty high on the pick. He has the dreaded "potential" tag, but his defense should be there from day 1. I think it also nice to add a guy who wants to play here.

[Dat2U]

Question: If Chicago is able to land LeBron & a 2nd star. Does that your change opinion at all about the deal the Wizards made?

Would you be okay with Hinrich & Seraphin even if were going to have to face a team that featured LeBron, Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah & another star for next five years or more?

[yungal07]

Question: If Chicago is able to land LeBron & a 2nd star. Does that your change opinion at all about the deal the Wizards made?

Would you be okay with Hinrich & Seraphin even if were going to have to face a team that featured LeBron, Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah & another star for next five years or more?

Honestly, the hype around Lebron to Chicago doesn't even really scare me. Rose is not a good fit with Lebron, since are ball-dominant players, and Rose is not a great outside shooter. I honestly believe sorry azz Mo Williams is a better fit with Lebron.

Noah is just a better version of Sideshow Bob. Again, not too impressed. And Deng sucks.

If Bosh goes there, they are much better...but who's to say that happens.

[nate33]

Dat, I think Chicago would have found another taker if we didn't make the deal. If you view Hinrich as tradable for expirings, then Chicago was essentially giving the #17 away for free.

[Dat2U]

It's amazing Jordan & Pippen could play together, especially considering they were both primarily slashers & ball-dominant players.

[Hoopalotta]

Question: If Chicago is able to land LeBron & a 2nd star. Does that your change opinion at all about the deal the Wizards made?

Would you be okay with Hinrich & Seraphin even if were going to have to face a team that featured LeBron, Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah & another star for next five years or more?

Actually, pictures aside, my view would depend on if the Bulls had other options. We discussed the Miami angle, but it turns out we didn't have to do anything for them to clear it up (sounds like James Jones is getting negotiated so as to not infringe on their cap this year).

If they were going to swing a sign and trade deal for Bosh with significant salary going out, or if a disappointed Clippers team is going to absorb Deng in mid July, I wouldn't trouble myself.

[MDStar]

Why should it?

I'm 100x more concerned with how moves effect our roster, than how it effects another teams. No matter what we do, Lebron will sign somewhere. He's not going anywhere and we're going to have to face him. Yes, it would suck to face him, another max player and ther rest of the Bulls. However, I would be more pissed if he wound up in Miami with DWade and a bunch of scrubs, and that my friend we have nothing to do with.

[Dat2U]

Dat, I think Chicago would have found another taker if we didn't make the deal. If you view Hinrich as tradable for expirings, then Chicago was essentially giving the #17 away for free.

Who? We already know they bluffed EG about Sacramento being interested which wasn't the case.

I doubt it. There were teams willing to trade for Hinrich (for an expiring contract), but were there any that had the cap room to take his deal on like we did?

[keynote]

Who? We already know they bluffed EG about Sacramento being interested which wasn't the case.

Actually, we only know that we, the public, were bluffed - at least, posterrs on RealGM, anyway. No clue as to whether EG bought the bluff or not.

[WizStorm]

LeBron is going to find the best situation to win no matter what the Wizards did. Even if the Wizards didn't take Hinrich's deal, he could just as easily head down to Miami with Wade and another max free agent or the Bulls could've found another taker for Hinrich or Deng (or maybe in a S&T with Cleveland). It's completely pointless to worry about how much your helping out another team as long as the deal works for you.

[Hoopalotta]

I think if we hadn't been in, they would have made a godfather offer with Deng later in July. At a certain point, someone's going to bite with all that money and so few free agents.

If Donald Sterling wasn't in charge (Chad Ford says he thinks they have a great shot at Bron), it could have been done on draft night with Bledsoe involved.

[Dat2U]

Why should it?

I'm 100x more concerned with how moves effect our roster, than how it effects another teams. No matter what we do, Lebron will sign somewhere. He's not going anywhere and we're going to have to face him. Yes, it would suck to face him, another max player and ther rest of the Bulls. However, I would be more pissed if he wound up in Miami with DWade and a bunch of scrubs, and that my friend we have nothing to do with.

But we upset the apple cart. We are the ones that gave Chicago the ability to sign two stars not one. I wouldn't be worried about LeBron signing with NY, NJ or Cleveland. That wouldn't bother me in the least. It's not where LeBron is going to play that worries me, its who he's going to play with that has me concerned.

We just drafted John Wall but we also potentially ensured he'll never sniff playoff success in the Eastern Conference for the next half decade or more.

[Dat2U]

I think if we hadn't been in, they would have made a godfather offer with Deng later in July. At a certain point, someone's going to bite with all that money and so few free agents.

If Donald Sterling wasn't in charge (Chad Ford says he thinks they have a great shot at Bron), it could have been done on draft night with Bledsoe involved.

Later in July? Timing is everything. That wouldn't have done Chicago much good if LeBron, Bosh et all are making their decisions much sooner than later.

[nate33]

LeBron is going to find the best situation to win no matter what the Wizards did. Even if the Wizards didn't take Hinrich's deal, he could just as easily head down to Miami with Wade and another max free agent or the Bulls could've found another taker for Hinrich or Deng (or maybe in a S&T with Cleveland). It's completely pointless to worry about how much your helping out another team as long as the deal works for you.

+1

We honestly had very little control over the Lebron situation. If we didn't make that deal, somebody else probably would have taken HInrich off their hands. If nobody else did, then Lebron would have gone to MIami to play with Wade and Bosh. If that didn't work out, maybe Lebron and Joe Johnson go the Nets to form a sick lineup of Harris, Johnson, Lebron, Favors, Lopez. There is way too much uncertaintly to worry about it. We had to do the best deal for the Wizards.

[Hoopalotta]

Well OK Dat, what I meant was after Donald Sterling had been emphatically rejected by LeBron.

If Chicago is kicking in $3 million, the Bobcats' pick, James Johnson and two or three future first round picks while New York is praying that they can sign Joe Johnson or Rudy Gay to the max, it would have gotten done definitely.

If Joe Johnson is getting the max (and there have been assorted reports just today that he will have multiple max offers and possibly even a six year deal in a sign and trade), Deng can definitely be moved for incentive.

We can't stop that.