THE Beasley trade, MIA/UTA/POR

[Marc]

Miami:
IN: -, OUT: Michael Beasley $4,962,240

Utah (with Harpring's TE):
IN: Fernandez $1,246,680, Jerryd Bayless $2,292,600, OUT: Draft considerations maybe?

Portland:
IN: Michael Beasley $4,962,240, Draft considerations from Jazz? OUT: Fernandez $1,246,680, Jerryd Bayless $2,292,600 and Pendergraph, Mills or Diener to makes salaries work

OTHER (with TE or cap space)
IN: Pendergraph, Mills or Diener, OUT: -

Pendergraph, Mills or Diener could also go to Jazz or to Heat...

Why for Heat? They get cap space
Why for Jazz? They make a good use of their trade exception. They get 2 young players with alright contracts especially Rudy.
Why for Blazers? They get Michael Beasley, the 2008 2nd round pick.

We have THE deal or what?

[Wade2k6]

Looks like a pretty good deal.

[StocktonShorts]

I like.

[farzi]

Portland can't SnT Mills or Diener since they don't have either's bird rights. I might do it, but I'm not ready to give up on Bayless yet

[quazi31]

hate it for miami

[Marc]

hate it for miami

Well, that is what Miami wants for Beasley.

[dookieguy]

With a Bosh/Lebron/Wade scenario looking more and more likely, I'd do this.

[quazi31]

i would do it if it meant getting Lebron Bosh and Wade but i know it wont happen so i wouldnt do this trade

[CAE15]

All we(utah) has to do is give up future considerations for bayless and rudy? sign me up. Although with trade exceptions I believe they can't be split and can only acquire one player am i wrong on this?

[Wizenheimer]

Portland wouldn't touch this deal

and there's certainly no way at all the Blazers would send Bayless & Rudy to a division rival unless they were getting more of a sure thin then Beasely

of course, if the Blazers were getting a 'sure thing', Utah wouldn't cooperate

doa

[BBallFreak]

Portland wouldn't touch this deal

and there's certainly no way at all the Blazers would send Bayless & Rudy to a division rival unless they were getting more of a sure thin then Beasely

of course, if the Blazers were getting a 'sure thing', Utah wouldn't cooperate

doa

Beasley is a lot closer to a sure thing than anything the Blazers give up in this deal. Seriously poor logic on your part. Blazers get the best player for parts that, like it or not, they've pretty much given up on already...

[farzi]

They've far from given up on Bayless, that's just ignorant. Rudy? Yeah.

They were able to trade Blake last year because they felt confident in Jerryd, and he played better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season

[BBallFreak]

Forgive my ignorance, but it doesn't seem like a huge sign of confidence in a player when they sign a major free agent to take minutes from him. If that's changed, that's wonderful, but I don't see a significant reason he should keep the Blazers from acquiring a better young player...

[Wizenheimer]

Portland wouldn't touch this deal

and there's certainly no way at all the Blazers would send Bayless & Rudy to a division rival unless they were getting more of a sure thin then Beasely

of course, if the Blazers were getting a 'sure thing', Utah wouldn't cooperate

doa

Beasley is a lot closer to a sure thing than anything the Blazers give up in this deal. Seriously poor logic on your part. Blazers get the best player for parts that, like it or not, they've pretty much given up on already...

if Beasely was so much closer to a sure thing then the Portland players, the Heat wouldn't consider moving him. That's not poor logic at all

what is also logical is that in Portland, Beasely would not start at PF nor would he start at SF. And when you look at he numbers at the two positions, he's pretty weak as a SF. That's ok I suppose in that the Blazers have better options at SF in Batum, Roy & possibly Cunningham. The trouble is Portland has better options at PF as well in Aldridge, Camby & situationsally Cunningham & Pendergraph.

In other words, Beasely would have to meet the the "closer to a sure thing" criteria while being no better then the 3rd option at either PF or SF. I can't see that working out too well for the Blazers, and I'm pretty certain Beasely wouldn't be happy with that either

This deal would have as much chance as being disruptive for the Blazers as it would be successful. That's what I meant by 'sure thing'

[BBallFreak]

if Beasely was so much closer to a sure thing then the Portland players, the Heat wouldn't consider moving him. That's not poor logic at all

Yes they would. Of course they would. They're trying to get Bosh and LeBron to go right alongside Wade. It would be stupid to keep him if he's what's standing in their way.

what is also logical is that in Portland, Beasely would not start at PF nor would he start at SF. And when you look at he numbers at the two positions, he's pretty weak as a SF. That's ok I suppose in that the Blazers have better options at SF in Batum, Roy & possibly Cunningham. The trouble is Portland has better options at PF as well in Aldridge, Camby & situationsally Cunningham & Pendergraph.

Camby is a center (and played 0% of Portland's power forward minutes) and Roy is a shooting guard (though to your credit, he did play substantial time at small forward, but I would imagine it was more out of need than desire to play there). Their is no reason Beasley couldn't get 24 minutes a game from Portland's bench.

In other words, Beasely would have to meet the the "closer to a sure thing" criteria while being no better then the 3rd option at either PF or SF. I can't see that working out too well for the Blazers, and I'm pretty certain Beasely wouldn't be happy with that either

When you manipulate the roster to better fit your criteria as to why Beasley doesn't fit, you're logic proves faulty.

This deal would have as much chance as being disruptive for the Blazers as it would be successful. That's what I meant by 'sure thing'

I thoroughly disagree. This is free talent. You take it and run...

[Fido]

All we(utah) has to do is give up future considerations for bayless and rudy? sign me up. Although with trade exceptions I believe they can't be split and can only acquire one player am i wrong on this?

You are right--this wouldn't work. The trade exception only works for a single player. However, it could work but Utah would have to do this:
Maynor trade exception for Fernandez $1,246,680 (if I remember correctly it is for $1.3 mill)
Harpring trade exception for Jerryd Bayless $2,292,600 (a big waste since the trade exception is for $6.5 mill but theoretically possible).

I don't see Utah wanting to burn both exceptions on these two guys though.

[farzi]

Forgive my ignorance, but it doesn't seem like a huge sign of confidence in a player when they sign a major free agent to take minutes from him. If that's changed, that's wonderful, but I don't see a significant reason he should keep the Blazers from acquiring a better young player...

Um. What?

[Manuel Calavera]

If we wanted Beasley we'd have just traded Gomes for him.

[Wizenheimer]

if Beasely was so much closer to a sure thing then the Portland players, the Heat wouldn't consider moving him. That's not poor logic at all

Yes they would. Of course they would. They're trying to get Bosh and LeBron to go right alongside Wade. It would be stupid to keep him if he's what's standing in their way.

in other words, the Heat are desperate to dump Beasely? Why would any team come into that giving Miami credit for any leverage

If Beasely was a desirable commodity around the league, he'd have been moved by now unless the Heat actually have a done deal where Beasely goes out in a sign & trade

it's pretty simple: the Heat have to dump Beasely somehow in order to have room for 3 max contracts, including Wade

what is also logical is that in Portland, Beasely would not start at PF nor would he start at SF. And when you look at he numbers at the two positions, he's pretty weak as a SF. That's ok I suppose in that the Blazers have better options at SF in Batum, Roy & possibly Cunningham. The trouble is Portland has better options at PF as well in Aldridge, Camby & situationsally Cunningham & Pendergraph.

Camby is a center (and played 0% of Portland's power forward minutes)

I don't care what 82 games said, Camby did essentially play some PF for the Blazers last season when he was on the floor with Howard. And Camby certainly played PF for extended stretches with the Clippers when he was on the floor with Kaman

And when the Blazers re-signed him they specifically cited Camby's ability to play either C or PF as a reason he was a good fit.

If Aldridge is getting 35 minutes a game, and almost all of that is at PF that's only going to leave 13-15 minutes a game for backup PF. I am absolutely certain that Beasely wouldn't get all of those minutes playing for the Blazers. Maybe not even half.

and Roy is a shooting guard (though to your credit, he did play substantial time at small forward, but I would imagine it was more out of need than desire to play there).

last year, there was some injury-caused necessity, until Roy was injured himself. The year before there was some necessity as well. But there was also some situational reasons as well and if you're looking at the numbers at 82games, then check out Roy's positional breakdown at SG compared to SF, especially the 08/09 season. Roy is extremely effective when used judiciously as a SF. He has a higher PER there then at SG and hold opponents to worse numbers.

If the Blazers have a loaded backcourt, and if Miller, Bayless & Fernandez are all back, they will have a loaded backcourt, moving Roy to SF get's needed minutes for the other guards. And gutting that backcourt depth to add an unneeded player like Beasely doesn't make sense either

Their is no reason Beasley couldn't get 24 minutes a game from Portland's bench.

I've just given you good reasons. I think I'm pretty familiar with portland's rotations and needs, and I can't see Beasely getting that much time.

The Blazers alre also looking at using their MLE on a guard-forward type. If they could happen to sign somebody like Mike Miller of John Salmons, they would fit much better into Portland's rotation then Beasely

In other words, Beasely would have to meet the the "closer to a sure thing" criteria while being no better then the 3rd option at either PF or SF. I can't see that working out too well for the Blazers, and I'm pretty certain Beasely wouldn't be happy with that either

When you manipulate the roster to better fit your criteria as to why Beasley doesn't fit, you're logic proves faulty.

if you knew much about Portland's roster and rotations, you wouldn't think what I was saying was "manipulation"

This deal would have as much chance as being disruptive for the Blazers as it would be successful. That's what I meant by 'sure thing'

I thoroughly disagree. This is free talent. You take it and run...

what a load of malarkey

Portland gives up Bayless, Fernandez, and Pendergraph in this deal. That ain't anything close to a "free talent" trade, and you saying that proves you can't objectively weigh this deal

what's worse is that the Blazers give up most of that 'useless' talent to a division rival

[Agenda42]

I think Beasley would easily get the backup PF minutes in Portland, but I do not think he would get time at SF. Portland will probably use the MLE on a wing player, and they certainly would after trading Rudy and Jerryd as in this deal; either that MLE player or Roy would fill the backup SF minutes.

I don't know that I would want to give up Bayless for Beasley, as Bayless I think is a better fit with the Blazer core. I do know that I wouldn't want to make a deal that obviously makes Utah better.