The Official Trade Proposals Thread

[5th pick sucks]

did you guys give randolph an extension? if not you guys save 50 million or so and let landry become your starting pf also getting another draft pick probabilyy a first

[Warspite]

if and only if Rudy leaves what amount of interest do you have in Prince. Would you consider a Z-Bo swap or something around Thabeet??

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

if and only if Rudy leaves what amount of interest do you have in Prince. Would you consider a Z-Bo swap or something around Thabeet??

If Rudy were to leave, then that would (IMO) make signing Zach all the more important. I don't see the Grizz, salary wise being able to match up Hasheem with Prince to make that work either - though I wouldn't be opposed to that. Likely what would happen, if Rudy walks (no S&T) is that the Grizz would make a run at Travis Outlaw or turn the reigns over to Ronnie Brewer full time and find a suitable back up.

[f91ultra]

Hi, a raptors fan here wondering how you would feel about such a proposal:

Bulls outgoing: Deng, Gibson, 1st rd pick(s)
Bulls incoming: Bosh

Grizzlies outgoing: Gay (S&T), Thabeet
Grizzlies incoming: Calderon, Deng, Gibson, 1st rd pick(s)

Toronto outgoing: Calderon, Bosh (S&T)
Toronto incoming: Gay, Thabeet

Chicago&Bosh: No need to explain why they would do this trade...

Memphis: They were close to contending last year, and the main reason they fell short was mostly due to a thin thin bench. They have a decent backup wing in Sam Young, but that's about it last year. They drafted henry & other 2's so their depth on wing is set, but still need a proper big man and pg in their rotation to contend. Deng is a poor man's version of Gay (almost identical PER last year) with a shorter contract (assuming Gay signs a 5 or 6 yr extension), while calderon and gibson would give them a much needed boost in their second unit. This trade is under the assumption that Memphis is in a win now mode and need immediate upgrades to build upon the success of last year or risk falling back into the old grizzlies.

Their lineup (I left out Brewer because I don't know if you're resigning him or not):

Conley/Calderon/Vasquez
Mayo/Henry/ Vasquez
Deng/Young/
Randolph/Gibson/Carroll & Arthur
Gasol/Haddadi/Carroll & Arthur

Gay: The fact that memphis drafted Henry seems like a message that his time is up. Why not start anew in an (big) new city where he will have a shot as a #1?

Raptors: Admittedly this leaves us a little short at the pg position, but that can be easily rectified elsewhere. If nothing else we could continue to let Turk lead our second unit then Our lineup would become:

Jack/MLE signing?/Banks
Derozan/Weems/Bellineli
Gay/Turkoglu/Bellineli
Johnson/Davis/Evans
Bargnani/Thabeet/Alabi


***On a side note, if Memphis wants to keep Thabeet they could substitute him w/ Haddadi & one of Carroll or Arthur, and give the first rd picks to Toronto. I also wouldn't mind sending you Jack instead of Calderon if you are cost conscious about Calderon's contract and would rather have Jack's.

Once again, this trade is assuming Memphis doesn't care about saving money and is intended to give them a 3 year window to contend (Calderon's contract is 3 yrs, Deng is 4 so he'll be an expiring after 3 years).

[It_Was_Typed]

No thanks...I'd rather just keep Gay and Thabeet.

[f91ultra]

No thanks...I'd rather just keep Gay and Thabeet.

So you also wouldn't do Gay + Haddadi + 1 of Carrooll or Arthur for Deng + Gibson + 1 of Calderon or Jack? I'm curious actually, what are your (memphis fans') thoughts on how far this current core of mayo/gay/randolph/gasol can take you? I understand why you would reject this trade if you feel that Gay is the franchise star you want to build around, but then why haven't they sign him to an extension before/by now..?

[tekkon]

They tried to sign an extension for him. He didn't accept because he wanted an extension like Lamarcus Aldridge

Any of those trades don't make the Grizzlies better. Deng's contract is bad, Calderon's contract is worse, and it's too early to give up on Thabeet.

Easier to stick with one bad contract upcoming then to have 2.

[f91ultra]

They tried to sign an extension for him. He didn't accept because he wanted an extension like Lamarcus Aldridge

Any of those trades don't make the Grizzlies better. Deng's contract is bad, Calderon's contract is worse, and it's too early to give up on Thabeet.

Easier to stick with one bad contract upcoming then to have 2.

Why wouldn't this trade make Grizzlies better basketball wise? Gay and Deng are comparable players, for the next 3 years arguably (other bulls fans opinion on this, I'm not an expert). Calderon and Gibson are two starter-material players that you can plug into your weakest spots in your rotation, with Calderon potentially replacing Conley as your starting pg. You'll appreciate Calderon's ability as a distributor rather than plugging mayo (a shooter) in pg.

I agree that Calderon and Deng's contract is BIG, but the key is that they're SHORT(er) than Gay's so you can blow it up earlier if you feel this doesn't work. Resigning Gay would take 5+ years and his new deal will cost more than Deng's deal anyway. Also once again want to point out that Thabeet doesn't have to be included, at least in my proposal anyway (see the *** note)

[mid-post]

f9ultra:
First off, I think that's a series of good trades; the resulting Grizzlies team from your proposed trade could end up being a better squad than last year's.
But to be quite honest, I don't see it happening (for a number of reasons).
First, it doesn't really do anything to make the Grizzlies better long-term. Rudy is thought to be just entering his prime (and maybe still improving?); Heisley (even with his reputation for cheapness) has stated his commitment to keeping Rudy a number of times.
Deng, while still fairly young, seems a little injury prone and his contract is kind of ugly:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm
On top of this, his shot selection (doesn't take many 3s) isn't conducive to spreading the floor (which you really want with an improving Gasol in the post). Deng is a nice defender and decent mid-range shooter, but for what he's being paid, I'd rather keep Rudy (even if it's close to the max).

Second, I don't see Zach Randolph being re-signed after next season (unless he takes a sizeable pay-cut - unlikely). I'm not sure the ownership is willing to admit that taking Thabeet #2 was a mistake quite yet. Dumping him in exchange for a late-lottery pick is an admission of failure.
Whether or not it actually happens, Thabeet is projected to get better; it's possible the Grizz try to go with a Gasol/Thabeet/Arthur frontcourt down the road.

[f91ultra]

First, it doesn't really do anything to make the Grizzlies better long-term. Rudy is thought to be just entering his prime (and maybe still improving?); Heisley (even with his reputation for cheapness) has stated his commitment to keeping Rudy a number of times.
Deng, while still fairly young, seems a little injury prone and his contract is kind of ugly:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm

You`re right that this trade doesn`t really address the long term future of the grizzlies; my perspective is if you want to win now/in the next 3 years. My rational is that beyond that time there is too many variables and I assumed you want to build upon last year. Deng's contract is ugly by itself; but if you compare to the max that rudy will likely sign it's a pretty sweet deal since it's shorter and probably cost less. I assumed that Heisley stated that so he won't get screwed over in any potential deals, tbh haha.

On top of this, his shot selection (doesn't take many 3s) isn't conducive to spreading the floor (which you really want with an improving Gasol in the post). Deng is a nice defender and decent mid-range shooter, but for what he's being paid, I'd rather keep Rudy (even if it's close to the max).

Calderon would spread the floor nicely for you. He is known for an awesome Assist to Turnover ratio and is good at 3pt shooting. I think I read somewhere that Deng actually shot better than Gay in 3pt% but I'm not sure.

Second, I don't see Zach Randolph being re-signed after next season (unless he takes a sizeable pay-cut - unlikely). I'm not sure the ownership is willing to admit that taking Thabeet #2 was a mistake quite yet. Dumping him in exchange for a late-lottery pick is an admission of failure.
Whether or not it actually happens, Thabeet is projected to get better; it's possible the Grizz try to go with a Gasol/Thabeet/Arthur frontcourt down the road.

I assumed that you could keep randolph on a 3 yr extension to match Deng's contract in length, especially if this season goes well and you turn into a contender. If not then gibson is a good replacement. Also, I admit that Thabeet may be too early to give up on (when i made this proposal i'm not certain about how you feel with his development), hence the other option of substituting him with other pieces and give us the picks.

The reason that i'm proposing this trade is because the Raptors are pretty much entering a rebuilding phase for the next year or two in the post bosh era, hence the youth of Gay fits our team better than Deng, who is in his prime now. For Grizzlies I thought that your window to contend with the current group is NOW (before Gasol and Mayo get big extension/raises), hence Deng would fit your team.

[mid-post]

The scenario you offered up is certainly logical and rational. I'm just not sure the Grizzlies would bite on it if given the chance.
A lot of this stuff depends on what kind of money Rudy gets obviously.

Also re Deng having a better season shooting 3s; that's definitely a possibility considering Rudy isn't the greatest three point shooter and can go into chuck-mode sometimes.
That said, I follow the Bulls quite a bit and Deng is notorious for:
A. Passing up the wide-open 3.
B. Shooting from 1 foot inside the 3-point line
and
C. Disappearing altogether in the fourth quarter.

And in terms of Calderon, I agree with what you say he brings to the table...but based on the numbers I came across dude is making $9 million next year, $9.8 the year after and $10.6 the year after that. Pass. Especially if he's coming off the bench, definitely pass.

[mid-post]

And just one other thing about possible sign & trades with Rudy:
I think the Grizz will try one more season with last year's lineup. That team generated a fair amount of buzz/success for the first time in a long time. They didn't make the playoffs, but they got a lot better over the course of the season. Their bench obviously killed them.
If one more season of the Mike, OJ, Rudy, Zach, Marc team doesn't work out, I could definitely see the Grizzlies blow up the squad. With Zach's expiring, they'll have some flexibility to decide where they want to go. But it doesn't really make sense (in my opinion) to do it now.

[joeycrawfordfan]

Philadelphia trades Evan Turner
Memphis trades Hasheem Thabeet

#2 for #2! With Dalembert being traded, the Sixers are in need of a center. Memphis could use a legit pg with Mayo and Gay.

Blow the whistle!

[I Am Awesome-O]

Philadelphia trades Evan Turner
Memphis trades Hasheem Thabeet

#2 for #2! With Dalembert being traded, the Sixers are in need of a center. Memphis could use a legit pg with Mayo and Gay.

Blow the whistle!

[BarbaGrizz]

Philadelphia trades Evan Turner
Memphis trades Hasheem Thabeet

#2 for #2! With Dalembert being traded, the Sixers are in need of a center. Memphis could use a legit pg with Mayo and Gay.

Blow the whistle!

You´re not serious on this. Are you?

[mid-post]

I really doubt Philly would do that.

[nitetrain8603]

Chicago fan here. What would it take to obtain OJ Mayo outside of Rose, Boozer, Noah?

James Johnson and three 1st rounders? Luol Deng(doubtful?). I'm really interested.

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

I'm really interested.

We're not - in what you offered at least...

[hops_88]

Hey what is the value of Hadaddi??

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

Hey what is the value of Hadaddi??

Potentially solid reserve 5. Memphis needs to move him or Thabeet. For the right offer he can be moved.