The Heat and Tampering

Teddy Bruckshut · Post #141 » by **Teddy Bruckshut** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:19 am

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Hey are you gonna start posting on the Miami board, or just quit RealGM?

I really don't understand why both sections haven't been fully merged yet. :lol:

FinNasty · Post #142 » by **FinNasty** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:29 am

lj4mvp wrote:
FinNasty wrote:
ComeAtMeBro wrote:We knew this. We knew this from Wade's camp from Day 1.

This is nothing "surprising" you can see this from the draft-day move of Miami clearing more cap room.

I just feel very, very bad for Cleveland.

Huh? What about what Chicago did to clear cap room on draft day?

There were a lot of teams trying to do exactly what we did. Tons of teams were setting up for the FA. We just reeled them in...

That's the question, isn't it? Did you reel them in, or was it prearranged? If it was prearranged as it appears, don't you see the difference between the heat clearing cap space the day of the draft and the Bulls doing the same? The Bulls thought they were competing for LeBron or Wade, who in reality weren't even available.

Even if so... what was stopping them from changing their minds to come to Chicago or NY? Isnt that on those organizations to sell them on coming to their city? They certainly werent locked into anything. It was all an idea... no contracts were signed in Miami?

richboy · Post #143 » by **richboy** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:31 am

This really isn't even the first time this happened. Years ago Grant Hill, Tim Duncan, and Tmac were planning on playing together in Orlando. Magic planned on getting 2 of them but Tmac was ready to take less so he could play in his hometown. Look like it was going to happen but David Robinson talked Tim Duncan out of going to Orlando.

Teddy Bruckshut · Post #144 » by **Teddy Bruckshut** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:41 am

richboy wrote:This really isn't even the first time this happened. Years ago Grant Hill, Tim Duncan, and Tmac were planning on playing together in Orlando. Magic planned on getting 2 of them but Tmac was ready to take less so he could play in his hometown. Look like it was going to happen but David Robinson talked Tim Duncan out of going to Orlando.

I remember that, but it's Tim Duncan. He can do no wrong.

Even though it wouldn't even be wrong if that plan remained. It's his choice. Just saying....

Morehotsauce · Post #145 » by **Morehotsauce** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:46 am

I think you are crazy. Dwyane wanted to go to Chicago, back to his home and most important of all to be with his kids. LeBron needed a big to help him win and most people know the winning formula is a slashing wing + a skilled big is needed. There were talks of S&T to CLE but Bosh didn't want to go there. I think really it came down to Bosh's decision which affected Wade to stay and LeBron to come to Miami. To me LeBron's decision did not seem planned more of a reaction to what was going on with Wade and Bosh.

Dupp · Post #146 » by **Dupp** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:51 am

CoolD wrote:Ofcourse he was going to leave the Cavs. He was in hell hole, his team just got eliminated in the second round, and after 7 years and has nothing to show for, he gets booed the last game of the season in Cleveland to add. Everyone in the media blames LeBron for having a bad game, but his team wasn't that good. They just had gotten Antawn Jamison and overpaid bum , they had no flexiblity with a bunch of bad contracts, people would have to be dumb to think LeBron was staying. That was why Chicago, Knicks were supposedly favored to land him. Riley just had a better plan. We the Heat had being going through this plan for 2 years. which we got lucky, because Lamar Odom didnt' sign with us, also Amare trade didn't come through, which we got lucky to still have a lot of caproom.

Also the fact LeBron went out the playoffs to the same team Heat got eliminated. It was 100 percent the Cavs management. They fired their coach, their GM, they have no flexiblity to add an improve the team, and the only thing the Cavs depended was a pity us campagin. Also Kobe just won another title, LeBron sees that Kobe wins game 7, shooting 6 of 24. This totally was too much for LeBron. Riley was planning for this for a while, we go lucky, LeBron's team got eliminated in the second round. And we had been planning for this, to add another max or two next to Wade.

Also Wade, Bosh and Bron were all from the same draft class, also won a gold medal together, so it was easier sell than people thought it was.

yeah i mean before the boston series

JustAwesome · Post #147 » by **JustAwesome** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:19 am

A trio like McGrady, Hill, and Duncan could have worked. Hill and Duncan are unselfish players. McGrady can be a facilitator when he wants to be.

Mesa · Post #148 » by **Mesa** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:08 am

Cosmic_Backlash wrote:how do people not get this is tampering? The fact that if Wade ever mentions anything to anyone in the Heat organization about them wanting to play together is tampering. Let's be real. You really think Wade held a free agent summit, they all agreed to play together, and then didn't proceed to tell anyone in the Heat organization that he had Bosh and LeBron wanting to play for the Heat? I'm sorry, I'm calling bull.

Yes, we can't prove it, but every fan, including heat fans, should understand this is tampering. It doesn't matter if people think it's ok or not, it is what it is.

What Heat fans need to understand besides just going "you mad" is WHY this is bad for the league. I guarantee you that if other teams besides the Heat knew how this would have resolved, different free agents would have been pursued, some of them wouldn't have dumped all of their hopes and dreams into getting LeBron, Dwyane, Chris, or Amare. This summer shaped the structure of several teams, and only 2 are getting one of the "Big 4" and Amare, is just a very, very small part of the "Big 4". I feel inclined to include him because he is very good basketball player.

This is why it's bad for the league.

I fully expect a "you mad" in response to this because well, that's what Heat fans use to refute things these days, rather than putting together coherent sentences or making sense.

To me you just sound like some little kid crying.

Your mouth is filled with sour grapes, huh?

This is good for the league, this is the new model some teams will go after.

Next year, Melo will join NY to try and do something similar. (It was already discussed at his wedding, lol.)

BROWN · Post #149 » by **BROWN** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:23 am

Mesa wrote: I Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:27 am

Calling out each band wagoner I see. Just so all the real Heat fans can enjoy what great accomplishments their management were able to achieve.

BubbaTee · Post #150 » by **BubbaTee** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:50 am

NBA has no problem with Wade's comments

The NBA says Dwyane Wade did not break any league tampering rules by saying he wants to talk with other marquee players before deciding whether to stay with the Miami Heat.
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The NBA only metes out discipline in what it said are "the most egregious" cases, and said Wade's comments "do not meet that standard."

Earlier this week, Wade reiterated that he will discuss options with LeBron James and other stars about their options this summer.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/05/28/nba. ... l?rss=true

Post #151 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:03 am

Wade, Bosh, and Bron can say whatever they'd like. Riley and Heat management cannot be involved. If they were, then it's tampering. If they weren't, then there's nothing inappropriate going on.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Move along...

Post #152 » by **INKtastic** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:06 pm

Windhorst on his article "In all honesty, it's really just the the tip of the iceberg"

Conclusion · Post #153 » by **Conclusion** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:37 pm

The Heat front office could not have been involved or plotting anything before the 2009-10 season because, if they really were sure they were getting Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, why the hell would the Heat lobby so hard for Lamar Odom for a multi-year contract? That would leave little to no room left to sign all of them. I'm pretty sure Wade, LeBron, and Bosh "talked" about it casually, but by no means did they plan to fail their teams to go to Miami. With LeBron "quitting" in the playoffs, it makes no sense that he would do that just for a reason to leave Cleveland. He has a chance for a ring, and he's going to try to make the best of it.

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #154 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:40 pm

Conclusion wrote:The Heat front office could not have been involved or plotting anything before the 2009-10 season because, if they really were sure they were getting Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, why the hell would the Heat lobby so hard for Lamar Odom for a multi-year contract? That would leave little to no room left to sign all of them. I'm pretty sure Wade, LeBron, and Bosh "talked" about it casually, but by no means did they plan to fail their teams to go to Miami. With LeBron "quitting" in the playoffs, it makes no sense that he would do that just for a reason to leave Cleveland. He has a chance for a ring, and he's going to try to make the best of it.

Stop it, conspiracy theories are so much more fun.

lj4mvp really comes off transparent when he can't hide behind numbers for his arguments any longer.

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #155 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:41 pm

BROWN wrote:
Mesa wrote: I Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:27 am

Calling out each band wagoner I see. Just so all the real Heat fans can enjoy what great accomplishments their management were able to achieve.

Thanks dude.

Raps in 4 · Post #156 » by **Raps in 4** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:27 pm

It's impossible not to hate this trio.

CRACKSMATIC · Post #157 » by **CRACKSMATIC** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:35 pm

i hate the Knicks and Miami for all the tampering they've done these last few months. the NBA needs to make changes to its rules to prevent this kind of stuff

Free Rider · Post #158 » by **Free Rider** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:49 pm

Conclusion wrote:The Heat front office could not have been involved or plotting anything before the 2009-10 season because, if they really were sure they were getting Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, why the hell would the Heat lobby so hard for Lamar Odom for a multi-year contract? That would leave little to no room left to sign all of them. I'm pretty sure Wade, LeBron, and Bosh "talked" about it casually, but by no means did they plan to fail their teams to go to Miami. With LeBron "quitting" in the playoffs, it makes no sense that he would do that just for a reason to leave Cleveland. He has a chance for a ring, and he's going to try to make the best of it.

This is why I think Riley gets far too much credit from being this mastermind Machiavellian svengali. Up until this year's February trade deadline Riley was actively involved in trade deals that would have made signing both Bosh and LeBron pretty much impossible. They went hard after Lamar Odom last summer when he was a free agent and aggressively tried to recruit him from the Lakers. The also actively pursued Amare in a sign and trade this year but couldn't put together a package strong enough to entice Phoenix. As much as both Heat fans and critics would love to believe that Pat Riley was some evil genius that was in on all of this for the last two years I actually think for the most part he just got lucky. I'm sure Riley loves that idea that he orchestrated this from the beginning because it increases his profile even further but it's the players had far more to do with this than Riley did and I don't think Riley was that much in the loop. These players have been controlling this whole charade and have been loving every moment of it.

PrinceV · Post #159 » by **PrinceV** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:11 pm

I remember a month ago looking at Hadi's tweets (Bosh's business partner), tweeting about going to Miami and how nice Miami (rightfully so). However, that got me thinking at that time, something is brewing here. That the people around LBJ and Bosh were already setting themselves up in Miami prior to free agency, for example housing and business.

Some of you don't want the issue of tampering to be a big deal and let the so to speak big 3 to play. Some of you want the NBA to investigate, because you want justice.

Like any foul in a game, we want the right call to be called. If David Stern's sweeps this issue under the rug, then he is no better than Tim Donaghy.

D' Winner Within · Post #160 » by **D' Winner Within** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:21 pm

wade, Bosh and LBJ are free agents, then its all right for them to talk with their future. Wade and Bosh admit they talk to each other about their future. If the NBA doesn't allow it, they're already fined by the NBA.

There is no tampering by these players. I know a lot of fans are mad but its the business in the NBA we need to admit.

You Mad????