Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread

[timdunkit]

I have to disagree, as I think that there are at least 15 backup pgs in the league that can run an offense better than Jose. Not turning the ball over does not mean that you can run an effective offense. Handing the ball off to Bosh and Bargnani for jump shots should not count as an assist.

You are right that his lack of defense could be hidden on a better team, but Kobe would not allow him to hold the ball like he does. I don't care if he was getting the minimum, there are very few GMs dumb enough to want this guy. You have also grossly underestimated Derek Fisher's heart and ability to make clutch shots...two things that Jose does not have.

Runinng an offense is Jose speciality. Here are some ORTG numbers for PG's across the league:

Jose - 119
Rondo - 106
Chris Paul - 122
Steve Nash - 121
Deron Wiliams - 116
TOny Parker - 106
Billups - 120
Westbrook - 105
Rose - 106
Jennings - 100
Aaron Brooks - 108

15 back ups really? There are starters in the league who can't run an offense like Jose can.

[Ducksplatt]

Since we are on a bit of a Jose rant...I mean discussion here, I have a proposal that will probably bug a number of folks, but here it goes:

Toronto trades J. Jack to Memphis for M. Conley

Why for Memphis
They need a pg to run their offense and there has been some questions in regards to Conley being able to do it. Here they acquire a veteran, starting PG on a good contract for the next 3 years.

Why for Toronto
It gives them an opportunity to get a young pg...while still allowing him to have a veteran to learn from in Jose. If Jose plays well, Raps are in a much better position to move him next year (with 2 years on his contract). Also, if Conley does not pan out, he is an expiring and we can clear cap room.

...one more reason. So many times I hear people say "trade Jose to Memphis to make Gasol (his countryman) to resign." How about if he is on TO. Maybe he will sign here.

[Rapsobsessed7]

what does everyone think of my AK47 deal? Is it fair for everyone?

[Ducksplatt]

what does everyone think of my AK47 deal? Is it fair for everyone?

I'm not sure it fits team needs:
1. If Utah trade AK47, who plays SF? I don't know if Hayward is ready yet. Also, they have CJ Miles and just signed Raja Bell at SG...not sure if they need another one while weakening their SF position
2. Although Det needs a legitimate PG, not sure if Caldy fits in with the image Joe D is trying to get back to (tough, strong D).

It is well thought out...but I do not think it meets the needs (besides Toronto that is).

[Snooch]

Philly trades:
Young, Kapono

gets:
Thabeet, Memphis pick, TPE for Kapono

Philly adds a defensive bigman with some potential and another pick, saves some money

Memphis trads:
Thabeet, Pick

gets:
Jack, 2nd rounder toronto

Memphis adds a starting pg to the mix.

Toronto trades:
Jack, TPE, 2nd rounder

Gets:
Young, Kapono

Toronto adds a young sf who should fit very well into team. Hopefully team adds a pg in the draft and Jose raises his value over course of next 2 years. Team is young now in wing positions and if Bargs Amir works out is in good shape at 4 positions. has about 16 million in expirings and an expendable Weems, miami pick to bolster depth up front or potentially add a starting center if determined it was needed.

Jose/Beli/Banks
Demar/Barbosa/Weems
Young/Kleiza/Kapono
Amir/Davis/Dorsey
Bargs/Anderson/Alabi/Evans

[timdunkit]

I don't think Hamilton is worth AK47 huge expiring and I don't think there is much difference in there impact. Hamilton can be seen as the better player but AK47 is one of those glue guys who can do a bit of everything.

[Ducksplatt]

Here is just a small trade - would like to get some feedback.

Toronto trades R Evans To Boston for the retiring Wallace contract

Bos gets another big that is good on D.
Raps get Wallace's contract which, since he is retiring, comes off the books. Thus, possibly package that contract with Jose to help a team with cap relief (while still keeping the TPE).

Though I think Boston could use a stretch 4, and they are signing Shaq, I still think Reggie can give them some minutes to pound the ball inside.

[timdunkit]

Boston has KG/Perkins/Shaq/JO/Baby Davis ... Reggie woulndn't get much playing time even if someone got injured and Boston is looking for help on the wings.

[Rapsobsessed7]

I don't think Hamilton is worth AK47 huge expiring and I don't think there is much difference in there impact. Hamilton can be seen as the better player but AK47 is one of those glue guys who can do a bit of everything.

well Hamilton is worth expiring contracts but not a productive one like AK. I think his value lies on something like Evans/Banks for Hamilton/2nd. We wouldnt do that for obvious reasons but thats what i think it is around.

Now the only reason Utah entertains this is because it gets this out of luxury tax. Thats a key thing for them. Remember they dumped Harping, Maynor & Brewer to get under the tax. Id say those guys were as important as AK.

what does everyone think of my AK47 deal? Is it fair for everyone?

I'm not sure it fits team needs:
1. If Utah trade AK47, who plays SF? I don't know if Hayward is ready yet. Also, they have CJ Miles and just signed Raja Bell at SG...not sure if they need another one while weakening their SF position
2. Although Det needs a legitimate PG, not sure if Caldy fits in with the image Joe D is trying to get back to (tough, strong D).

It is well thought out...but I do not think it meets the needs (besides Toronto that is).

1. I think CJ Miles / Gordon Hayward would hold down the SF spot with Hamilton getting occasional minutes there also.

2. I think Calderon is the best pure PG that DET could get for Hamilton. I dont see anyone as i said willing to give up a solid PG for Hamiltons contract, if they would it would have happened already. Also Detroit was interested in Calderon before.

Mind you this was a couple years ago (during the Tj era)

CBS Sports cites a rumor that the Raptors are interested in Rip Hamilton and are apparently offering up T.J. Ford.

June 25, CBS Sports: LSU's Anthony Randolph recently worked out for Indiana and Portland, teams that might be on the outside looking in, as Milwaukee also likes the Tigers forward if Alexander is off the board. If Randolph is still there at No. 11, Indiana will scoop him up and re-open talks with Toronto about a trade that would send Jermaine O'Neal to the Raptors for a package that would include Toronto's No. 17 pick, point guard T.J. Ford and center Rasho Nesterovic. To trade up in the lottery for Randolph, Indiana would have to offer Mike Dunleavy and/or Danny Granger to find an inviting trade partner.

Indiana, knowing Randolph will need some time to develop, could then ship Ford to the Knicks for Lee, as New York is in the market for a veteran point guard and is also talking to Phoenix about Leandro Barbosa. The Knicks could bypass Indiana and entice Toronto with Jamal Crawford for Ford's services. Toronto is also interested in Detroit's Richard Hamilton, but the Pistons would be more willing to deal if Jose Calderon was substituted for Ford.

There are a lot of interesting rumors that are listed by CBS Sports. Although a TJ Ford for Rip Hamilton deal doesn't seem to fit what Joe Dumars has in mind. With the amount of chatter that is developing before the draft, this years NBA draft could be very interesting and followed by an even more interesting free agent season.

[timdunkit]

I don't think Hamilton is worth AK47 huge expiring and I don't think there is much difference in there impact. Hamilton can be seen as the better player but AK47 is one of those glue guys who can do a bit of everything.

well Hamilton is worth expiring contracts but not a productive one like AK. I think his value lies on something like Evans/Banks for Hamilton/2nd. We wouldnt do that for obvious reasons but thats what i think it is around.

Now the only reason Utah entertains this is because it gets this out of luxury tax. Thats a key thing for them. Remember they dumped Harping, Maynor & Brewer to get under the tax. Id say those guys were as important as AK.

what does everyone think of my AK47 deal? Is it fair for everyone?

I'm not sure it fits team needs:
1. If Utah trade AK47, who plays SF? I don't know if Hayward is ready yet. Also, they have CJ Miles and just signed Raja Bell at SG...not sure if they need another one while weakening their SF position
2. Although Det needs a legitimate PG, not sure if Caldy fits in with the image Joe D is trying to get back to (tough, strong D).

It is well thought out...but I do not think it meets the needs (besides Toronto that is).

1. I think CJ Miles / Gordon Hayward would hold down the SF spot with Hamilton getting occasional minutes there also.

2. I think Calderon is the best pure PG that DET could get for Hamilton. I dont see anyone as i said willing to give up a solid PG for Hamiltons contract, if they would it would have happened already. Also Detroit was interested in Calderon before.

Mind you this was a couple years ago (during the Tj era)

CBS Sports cites a rumor that the Raptors are interested in Rip Hamilton and are apparently offering up T.J. Ford.

June 25, CBS Sports: LSU's Anthony Randolph recently worked out for Indiana and Portland, teams that might be on the outside looking in, as Milwaukee also likes the Tigers forward if Alexander is off the board. If Randolph is still there at No. 11, Indiana will scoop him up and re-open talks with Toronto about a trade that would send Jermaine O'Neal to the Raptors for a package that would include Toronto's No. 17 pick, point guard T.J. Ford and center Rasho Nesterovic. To trade up in the lottery for Randolph, Indiana would have to offer Mike Dunleavy and/or Danny Granger to find an inviting trade partner.

Indiana, knowing Randolph will need some time to develop, could then ship Ford to the Knicks for Lee, as New York is in the market for a veteran point guard and is also talking to Phoenix about Leandro Barbosa. The Knicks could bypass Indiana and entice Toronto with Jamal Crawford for Ford's services. Toronto is also interested in Detroit's Richard Hamilton, but the Pistons would be more willing to deal if Jose Calderon was substituted for Ford.

There are a lot of interesting rumors that are listed by CBS Sports. Although a TJ Ford for Rip Hamilton deal doesn't seem to fit what Joe Dumars has in mind. With the amount of chatter that is developing before the draft, this years NBA draft could be very interesting and followed by an even more interesting free agent season.

Our interest in Hamilton previously means nothing now.

The thing with Utah is that they have to keep things in perspective. One year in the lux tax is not going to hurt them especially if they can retain AK47 much cheaper next year (and with a new CBA they should be able to).

Hamilton carries a heavy long term cost, that doesn't out weight the short term cost of AK47 even if it means coming out of the luxury tax. I think Utah would like to get out of the luxury tax but its not something there dying for and could wait a year.

I think Hamilton value will be more clear at the deadline. I think he likely fetches something like what SJax did at the deadline last year.

As far Jose for Hamilton we all know how Detroit fans feel about that one ...

[killerbs]

we need to trade calderon now

[Ducksplatt]

I am not sure if BC will again deal with Charlotte but here is one (would need to happen after Sept 13):

Toronto trades Jose Calderon for Nazr Mohammad and Eduardo Najera

Why for Toronto
Get out of Caldy contract. Pick up an expiring in Nazr who can also play some minutes at C (help out the young guys also). Najera can play a few forward spots...mainly an energy guy with only 2 years left on his contract (2.8 mil).

Why for Cha
Get a PG. Najera is just a spare part. Nazr is getting old, is injury prone and make over 6 million. Also heard that if Damp is bought out, they could try and resign him:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... ts-dampier

Though, knowing BC he will probably take either Diop or Carroll in this deal (ugh!).

[Laowai]

Let me state quickly on the PG matter we need either Jose or Jack to go and both are good PGs.
Both have different skills and both are weak defensively.
The trade for Jose to Charlotte was good but because of MJ didn;t happen.
The one thing that the Raptors do have is depth and should expliot it.

2 trades one very simple but in 2 parts the other much more complicated but both fills our need for a Center.

Memphis trades Gasol
Toronto trades Davis, 2011 Toronto 1st Rd. unproptected & TPE

It is unlikely that Memphis can resign Gasol they get Davis and 2011
We get a Euro and a player who would be happy in Toronto and can be resigned.

Then do Jack, Beli, Evans & 2011 Miami to Detroit for Prince

PG Jose, Barbosa, Banks, Brown
SG DD, Weems, Barbosa
SF Prince, Klieza, Weems
C Gasol, Bargs, Anderson, Alabi
PF Bargs, Amir, Dorsey


Trade 2
Toronto Trades Jack, Belinelli, Dorsey, Miami 1st, Banks & Evans
Gets Gortat, Curry & Cash

Deroit Trades Prince & Jerabeko
Gets Jack, Belinelli, Bass

Orlando Trades Gortat & Bass
Gets Prince, Jerabeko, Dorsey & Miami 2011

NY Trades Curry and Cash to pay his salary
Gets Evans & Banks

The biggest problem with this trade is that Orlando & Detroit could do it.
Gortat would solve Detroit's needs at C and Bass a upgrade as back-up PF
PG Jose, Barbosa, , Brown
SG DD, Weems, Barbosa
SF Klieza, Weems
C Gortat, Bargs, Anderson, Alabi
PF Bargs, Amir, Davis
Curry rent to Pizza Pizza

Better deal get C and give uo very little

[6Ft Under]

Everyday I wake up hoping I see calderon traded. Everday I'm sadly dissapointed.

[cdel00]

Since we are on a bit of a Jose rant...I mean discussion here, I have a proposal that will probably bug a number of folks, but here it goes:

Toronto trades J. Jack to Memphis for M. Conley

Why for Memphis
They need a pg to run their offense and there has been some questions in regards to Conley being able to do it. Here they acquire a veteran, starting PG on a good contract for the next 3 years.

Why for Toronto
It gives them an opportunity to get a young pg...while still allowing him to have a veteran to learn from in Jose. If Jose plays well, Raps are in a much better position to move him next year (with 2 years on his contract). Also, if Conley does not pan out, he is an expiring and we can clear cap room.

...one more reason. So many times I hear people say "trade Jose to Memphis to make Gasol (his countryman) to resign." How about if he is on TO. Maybe he will sign here.

Not bad at all. I like your thinking and it gets cash concience Mem a quality PG for a good price.

[Rapsobsessed7]

lets just do this deal already.

To Toronto: Jeff Foster + Mike Dunleavy + Dahntay Jones

To Indiana: Jose Calderon + Reggie Evans + Marco Belinelli

Jose Calderon $9,000,000
Reggie Evans $5,080,000
Marco Belinelli $2,380,270
= 16,460,270 X 1.25 + 100,000
= 20,675,337

for

Mike Dunleavy $10,561,984
Jeff Foster $6,655,000
Dahntay Jones $2,500,000
= 19,716,984

* Pacers save 3,256,714 instantly

Puts them at 33,580,717 next year. Looking at still about 20+ million in cap space. Enough to offer a max contract, have their 1st round pick, & use about the mid level on someone.

Calderon / Ford / Price
Rush / Belinelli / Stephanson
Granger / George
Hansbrough / Mcroberts / Evans
Murphy / Hibbert / Jones

next year:

Calderon / PG (drafted)
Rush / FA (signed) / Stephanson
Granger / George
Hansbrough / Mcroberts
C (Max) / Hibbert

for us we become.

Jack / Barbosa / Banks
Derozan / Weems / Jones
Klezia / Dunleavy
Bargnani / Davis / Andersen
Foster / Johnson / Alabi

now i dont think that team would be complete ****. I think wed be looking a 11-13th place in the east. So likely we end up with a decent pick. We draft someone like Cory Joesph.

- Sign Marc Gasol/Al Horford/Greg Oden to a huge deal. Dont think Atlanta would match a max offer. Maybe then you also try to upgrade the SF position. (Barbosa + Davis for Jeff Green S&T?)

Joesph / Jack
Derozan / Weems
Green / Klezia / Jones
Bargnani / Johnson
Horford / Miami Pick / Alabi

[timdunkit]

Hey RO, can you come up with a deal that sends Jose out for pure expirings, using the Miami pick and TPE as incentive?

Just helping the tank movement and Raps chances of landing number 1 pick. If we do, an offseason like this:

75 mill/5 years Horford, 40 mill 5 years Conley, draft Harrison Barnes

would change the fortunes of the franchise around

[Snooch]

That one has been discussed ad nauseum:

To Indy:
Jose, Cash, Miami pick

to Toronto
Ford

To Indy
TPE

to Toronto
Dunleavy

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

To complete the offseason...

Trade Jarrett Jack (sorry young guns), Joey Dorsey, and cash considerations to MEM for Mike Conley Jr. + either Hamed Ha..(can't spell his name) or DeMare Carroll.

Trade Marco Belinelli and future considerations (2nd rd. pick or MIA 1st) to MIN for Corey Brewer.

Later on, or once we see them in training camp, if they're worth it, sign each of them to a contract extension.

By 2012, all of a sudden, we have a ton of versatility with respect to our talent pool. Depending on where and who we pick in 2011, we could set ourselves up pretty well moving forward, as all of our best talent will be locked up for 4 to 5 yrs. We'll finally have a chance to build something concrete, and hopefully contend in the East for deep playoff runs.

[Qdogg17]

To Houston:
Reggie Evans
Dwayne Jones


To Toronto:
Jared Jeffries

Houston gets a tough defensive minded rebounder and a young prospect.
Toronto does this to free up a roster spot while getting a shot blocker who can defend, who has the chance of competing for the starting center spot beside Bargnani.

Roster:

C- Jeffries/Andersen/Alabi
PF- Bargnani/Johnson/Davis
SF- Kleiza/Weems
SG- Derozan/Barbosa/Belinelli
PG- Jack/Calderon/Banks