Official Transaction Ideas thread

[The Skyhook]

Per wiretap the Nets aren't trading Lopez, minutely relevant to us since if we were in talks with the nugs which I doubt, we're offering the only true center.

just rumors and its wiretap, they are hardly ever right, push come to shove Den will get Lopez if they say Lopez or no deal. NJ aint making the playoffs this year no winning jack **** in the next 5 with Lopez as their center piece, as some have said Lee does 20/10 on a bad team himself lopez manages 18/8 and was featured on his team, I dont see him being that much better then 20/9 or something.

Nets would still be stupid to give up the like of Harris, Favors, and Harris for Melo. I said it before on the general board but of they give up those 3 then they better have a plan to land CP3 and Dwight in 2012 when both have player options for the 2012/2013 season.

[rjvir]

It makes much more sense to trade for Billups, who is rumored to leave if Melo does. Giving up Bynum is just stupid - length is our biggest strength right now. Billups is perfect for the triangle - he can post up and shoot the 3, and he is also a lock down defender. He's a winner, and he will be worthless to Denver once Melo is gone.

Give them Sasha (Deadly shooter and expiring) and S&T Morrison (expiring) along with several draft picks and cash and that could get the job done.

[LApwnd]

It makes much more sense to trade for Billups, who is rumored to leave if Melo does. Giving up Bynum is just stupid - length is our biggest strength right now. Billups is perfect for the triangle - he can post up and shoot the 3, and he is also a lock down defender. He's a winner, and he will be worthless to Denver once Melo is gone.

Give them Sasha (Deadly shooter and expiring) and S&T Morrison (expiring) along with several draft picks and cash and that could get the job done.

lock down defender? Did you watch D. Will serve him up in the den/utah series? and I'm sure Den would be jumping for joy to be getting this "deadly" shooter Sasha and the next Larry Bird Morrison

[rjvir]

lock down defender? Did you watch D. Will serve him up in the den/utah series? and I'm sure Den would be jumping for joy to be getting this "deadly" shooter Sasha and the next Larry Bird Morrison

2-time All Defensive teams don't lie. Surely you are not saying he's a bad defender because he couldn't contain the best PG in the game? He can't be worse than D-Fish - he was a member of one of the greatest defensive teams of all time.

Denver will be getting two expiring contracts and decrease this years payroll by a few million dollars, and still have a huge amount of cap space in 2012. Plus, they will get future first round draft picks. With so many teams in the league already having young, quality point guards, there won't be many teams giving up much for a 33-year-old Billups. This is a much less lopsided trade than the Odom/Artest for Melo dreams.

[LApwnd]

lock down defender? Did you watch D. Will serve him up in the den/utah series? and I'm sure Den would be jumping for joy to be getting this "deadly" shooter Sasha and the next Larry Bird Morrison

2-time All Defensive teams don't lie. Surely you are not saying he's a bad defender because he couldn't contain the best PG in the game? He can't be worse than D-Fish - he was a member of one of the greatest defensive teams of all time.

Denver will be getting two expiring contracts and decrease this years payroll by a few million dollars, and still have a huge amount of cap space in 2012. Plus, they will get future first round draft picks. With so many teams in the league already having young, quality point guards, there won't be many teams giving up much for a 33-year-old Billups. This is a much less lopsided trade than the Odom/Artest for Melo dreams.

2x Defensive player from how long ago? You make sound as if players dont fall off, and Fish seemed to keep William in check pretty well, I never saw Williams frustrated one time against Den, against Fish he always seemed flustered and w/o getting a head start on fast break William had to settle for jump shots, as oppose to Billups who he took to the rack and pulled up for wide open jump shots whenever he wanted. I hardly doubt Den is going to do us any favor and pay 2 useless scrubs and get a late pick they can essentially buy for around $3mill themselves for a servicable player still.

[rjvir]

2x Defensive player from how long ago? You make sound as if players dont fall off, and Fish seemed to keep William in check pretty well, I never saw Williams frustrated one time against Den, against Fish he always seemed flustered and w/o getting a head start on fast break William had to settle for jump shots, as oppose to Billups who he took to the rack and pulled up for wide open jump shots whenever he wanted. I hardly doubt Den is going to do us any favor and pay 2 useless scrubs and get a late pick they can essentially buy for around $3mill themselves for a servicable player still.

4 years ago. Its really not that long ago. Ron Artest was DPOY 6 years ago, and he still manages to be an elite defender now. If you really want to believe Fisher is a better defender than Billups, go ahead, that's your opinion.

But if Billups is such a scrub, on top of being old, why would the Nuggets want him if they aren't contenders? How is he "servicable" there if he's so crappy defensively? I don't see how having Billups for 1 year on a non contending team can be more valuable than several draft picks, a shooter in his contract year, cap relief, and cash considerations (which according to you can be transferred into more draft picks).

[LApwnd]

^^^where in my post did I call Billups a "scrub" I merely challenged your notion of calling him a "lock-down" defender, which I highly doubt anybody these days would agree with. So how is taking on the same salary for Billups and getting a late pick for Billups beneficial to Den? and please get off that line of thinking that SCRUB Sasha is ever going to replicate his #'s from his contract year, it been 3 yrs running and the years prior to that contract year are all consistent, consitently bad

[rjvir]

^^^where in my post did I call Billups a "scrub" I merely challenged your notion of calling him a "lock-down" defender, which I highly doubt anybody these days would agree with. So how is taking on the same salary for Billups and getting a late pick for Billups beneficial to Den? and please get off that line of thinking that SCRUB Sasha is ever going to replicate his #'s from his contract year, it been 3 yrs running and the years prior to that contract year are all consistent, consitently bad

Billups may not be a lockdown defender, but judging him against Fisher, who has excellent help defense on his team, is just ridiculous. Lets not let one series from D Williams ruin Billups's defensive reputation - in 2009, Billups destroyed CP3 and Kidd in the first 2 rounds and was instrumental in that Nuggets squad that gave us problems in 2009. Don't be delusional here, even Fisher's biggest supporters agree that he gets destroyed defensively by quicker guards.

The Nuggets won't take on the same salary as Billups - we would resign Ammo so that Sasha and Morrison's contract adds up to exactly 80% of Billups salary minus 100k. So right there, Denver saves a lot of money since they are much over the luxury cap threshold. Getting 2 first round and 2 second round picks along with cap relief is very beneficial to Denver. In my understanding, you believe that it would be more beneficial for a rebuilding team to have a payroll around $5 million more, have less preparation for the future with draft picks, and have a 33 year old player who is almost guaranteed to leave a year from now? Wouldn't it better to have 2 players who at least have a chance to be rotation players a few years down the line?

[LApwnd]

after signing blake to 4yrs I dont see mgmt. wasting 2 1st to take Billups and 2ndly other teams can offer better packages then LA and Den would rather send him to an eastern team then help LA strengthen its team.

[rjvir]

after signing blake to 4yrs I dont see mgmt. wasting 2 1st to take Billups and 2ndly other teams can offer better packages then LA and Den would rather send him to an eastern team then help LA strengthen its team.

Blake can still be a 3rd string PG, there's no harm in that.

Also, the only teams that would want Billups are contendors - rebuilding teams will not want a 33 year old vet who will leave for a contender the next year. Boston, Chicago, Orlando, and OKC already have younger, better point guards than Billups and Miami simply does not have any tradable assets. The only team really capable of making a more convincing offer is Portland, who definitely has the assets. Billups could be the missing piece in terms of veteran experience and leadership and finally put them on a contending level.

Denver could care less about whether or not the trade helps the Lakers win - the Nuggets will be in rebuilding mode and won't be concerned about the next few Championships. Portland, however, is a team that could hurt them in the future, so if anything, they would prefer to trade to an older team who will not use Billups's influence against themselves in the future.

[larry14r]

after signing blake to 4yrs I dont see mgmt. wasting 2 1st to take Billups and 2ndly other teams can offer better packages then LA and Den would rather send him to an eastern team then help LA strengthen its team.

Blake can still be a 3rd string PG, there's no harm in that.

Also, the only teams that would want Billups are contendors - rebuilding teams will not want a 33 year old vet who will leave for a contender the next year. Boston, Chicago, Orlando, and OKC already have younger, better point guards than Billups and Miami simply does not have any tradable assets. The only team I really capable of making a more convincing offer is Portland, who definitely has the assets. Billups could be the missing piece in terms of veteran experience and leadership and finally put them on a contending level.

Denver could care less about whether or not the trade helps the Lakers win - the Nuggets will be in rebuilding mode and won't be concerned about the next few Championships. Portland, however, is a team that could hurt them in the future, so if anything, they would prefer to trade to an older team who will not use Billups's influence against themselves in the future.

Yes they do care because if they can't beat the Lakers on their own then send Billups to a team who can. Also we had our chance at Billups 8 years ago, but resigned Devean George instead.

[chefy]

I have a feeling billups would be a laker one day.

[larry14r]

I have a feeling billups would be a laker one day.

Just not on the Nuggets watch.

[LApwnd]

well if we can get Billups for that package I"m all for it, dont get me wrong with my argument as a sign I dont want him, I just dont see it happening, with Blake 1stly and Den not wanting to help us for the most part.

[rafiq11]

its 10.8 M for crawford and $10.73 for Sasha and Luke. ATL can use Sasha's expiring and Luke if healthy can give them some good minutes or they can buy him out next season. we get a legit scorer and outside threat in Crawford.
c'mon wonder Mitch - make it happen!!!!!!

[LApwnd]

umm how does Atl benefit from this deal when crawford expires himself?

[The Skyhook]

Perhaps we can convince Jamal Crawford to come off the bench for the MLE. He could be Kobe's backup but he could also play the 1 at times sharing minutes with Blake while Fisher rests in the regular season.

[rjvir]

its 10.8 M for crawford and $10.73 for Sasha and Luke. ATL can use Sasha's expiring and Luke if healthy can give them some good minutes or they can buy him out next season. we get a legit scorer and outside threat in Crawford.
c'mon wonder Mitch - make it happen!!!!!!

So Atlanta is going to trade Crawford's already expiring contract for a much worse and injury prone player who they will have to pay for 3 years? There better be a lot of draft picks involved - that would look 10x worse than the Gasol trade.

[tugs]

I have a feeling billups would be a laker one day.

he said he wanted to retire as a Nugget.

that can change.

[saul silver]

It seems like nobody on the Lakers is move-able from observing the trade board recently.
They hate Vujacic, Lukes deal is too long, Bynums too injured and not being moved anyway, LA 1sts are worthless, etc etc

Is this the team, as constructed, for the 3peat run?