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Does Brewer start for us this year?

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Re: Does Brewer start for us this year? 

Post#21 » by the_bruce » Thu Sep 2, 2010 5:03 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I don't know how you can be certain with Johnson, Webster and Beasley on the team.



1st unit:
Darko -clearly the starter
Love -clearly the starter
Beasly -clearly will play the 3, probably the starter based on FO/Press conf etc
Brewer -debatable
Flynn -debatable

2nd unit:
Pek -clearly backup
tolliver -clearly backup
webster -probably backup, most experience and his game is more suited for the 3
johnson -debatable
ridnour -debatable

Webster could certainly play the 2, but I think they will have him as the backup 3(or starter). He's been in the league and adds stability to the rotation. He can also create his own shot better than brewer and has some semblance of a handle. Beasly may be in the second rotation to have a more balanced scoring attack, but I'm think the plan is the have these guys be the primary 3's.

So the real debate comes between johnson and brewer as the starting 2. Johnsons a rookie. Point brewer. Based on the FO it seems like they want johnson to play the 2. He's also more capable of creating his own shot. He should be excellent when paired with Pek and using screens to get off his absurd jumper. So he pairs well with the BU Center in the 2nd unit, and should add some offensive stability. Brewer will work better with the passing of Love/Darko as he pretty much can only spot up or get fed by outlets/transition. So he pairs better with the 1st unit. Brewer is also more familiar with the system. Defensively Johnson should provide the 2nd unit with some weakside shot blocking, which will help when Darko is off the floor.
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Re: Does Brewer start for us this year? 

Post#22 » by Worm Guts » Thu Sep 2, 2010 5:22 pm

If I had to guess, I'd be more likely to predict Webster as the starting 2. He's the Rambis/Kahn guy.
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Re: Does Brewer start for us this year? 

Post#23 » by Krapinsky » Thu Sep 2, 2010 6:10 pm

Worm Guts wrote:If I had to guess, I'd be more likely to predict Webster as the starting 2. He's the Rambis/Kahn guy.


I'd guess that too. Add in the fact that Webster is signed for next year, what we paid in trade to get him, and in the fact that Brewer's talents as a scrappy/energy guy are better suited for the bench, and I would assume it's very likely Webster starts.

It will be interesting to see how the minutes are divvied up b/t Brew, Johnson, Webster, and Beasley. It will also be interesting to see if there are any minutes at all for Ellington, Hayward, and Tolliver.
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Re: Does Brewer start for us this year? 

Post#24 » by the_bruce » Thu Sep 2, 2010 8:29 pm

I think you overestimate the value of the trade for webster. He's certainly going to be more productive than babbit over the next 2 years for marginally more money. Plus fits the system better.

Gomes (waived) + babbit = ~2.6m
Gomes (waived) + babbit = ~2.7m
Gomes (waived) + babbit = ~2.6m

Websters costs:
+2.2m
+2.5m

The difference between webster and brewer next season is ~300k. Then you get to that critical 3rd year. Webster is gauretneed for 600k, which could have more value than whatever the 16th pick could give the wolves 3 years down the road. He gives the team a trade chip that offseason, gives them a look at a young vet who fits the system, and still gives on court production.

That third season that looks to have a lineup that looks like this(assuming beasly becomes a 3)...

Darko/Pek
Love/Tolliver
Beasly/Johnson
<free agent>/<next years pick>
Rubio/Flynn/ridnour

Regardless of outcome of this and next season. I think the difference between brewer and websters long term contributions are small when we consider other potential talent to be added.
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Re: Does Brewer start for us this year? 

Post#25 » by Krapinsky » Thu Sep 2, 2010 8:45 pm

the_bruce wrote:I think you overestimate the value of the trade for webster. He's certainly going to be more productive than babbit over the next 2 years for marginally more money. Plus fits the system better.

Gomes (waived) + babbit = ~2.6m
Gomes (waived) + babbit = ~2.7m
Gomes (waived) + babbit = ~2.6m

Websters costs:
+2.2m
+2.5m

The difference between webster and brewer next season is ~300k. Then you get to that critical 3rd year. Webster is gauretneed for 600k, which could have more value than whatever the 16th pick could give the wolves 3 years down the road. He gives the team a trade chip that offseason, gives them a look at a young vet who fits the system, and still gives on court production.

That third season that looks to have a lineup that looks like this(assuming beasly becomes a 3)...

Darko/Pek
Love/Tolliver
Beasly/Johnson
<free agent>/<next years pick>
Rubio/Flynn/ridnour

Regardless of outcome of this and next season. I think the difference between brewer and websters long term contributions are small when we consider other potential talent to be added.


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Re: Does Brewer start for us this year? 

Post#26 » by NoelTheMole » Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:38 am

I have no idea why some of you think Webster is starting over Johnson.

Ridnour
Johnson
Beasley
Love
Darko

Thats how the season should be started. If we started Flynn last year, all year, why would we bench Johnson?
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Re: Does Brewer start for us this year? 

Post#27 » by berginator » Fri Sep 3, 2010 5:29 am

NoelTheMole wrote:I have no idea why some of you think Webster is starting over Johnson.

Ridnour
Johnson
Beasley
Love
Darko

Thats how the season should be started. If we started Flynn last year, all year, why would we bench Johnson?


Because we gave up something of value for Webster, therefore we clearly value him. And at the moment he is more NBA ready than Johnson. Brewer might start too, but I highly doubt Johnson does.
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Re: Does Brewer start for us this year? 

Post#28 » by berginator » Fri Sep 3, 2010 5:33 am

I'm not saying Johnson won't get minutes either. I just don't think he starts.
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Re: Does Brewer start for us this year? 

Post#29 » by Worm Guts » Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:38 pm

I think Johnson could start. He could start along side Webster, but considering he's a rookie he'd probably be easier to bring off the bench than Beasley or Webster.
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Re: Does Brewer start for us this year? 

Post#30 » by NoelTheMole » Fri Sep 3, 2010 5:03 pm

berginator wrote:
NoelTheMole wrote:I have no idea why some of you think Webster is starting over Johnson.

Ridnour
Johnson
Beasley
Love
Darko

Thats how the season should be started. If we started Flynn last year, all year, why would we bench Johnson?


Because we gave up something of value for Webster, therefore we clearly value him. And at the moment he is more NBA ready than Johnson. Brewer might start too, but I highly doubt Johnson does.



We gave up the #16 pick for Webster (Gomes was a throw away).
We drafted Johnson at #4

I think #4 has greater value than #16

I will give you that Webster may be more NBA ready but Johnson is the better talent.
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Re: Does Brewer start for us this year? 

Post#31 » by eyeteeth » Sat Sep 4, 2010 12:50 am

NoelTheMole wrote:
berginator wrote:
NoelTheMole wrote:I have no idea why some of you think Webster is starting over Johnson.

Ridnour
Johnson
Beasley
Love
Darko

Thats how the season should be started. If we started Flynn last year, all year, why would we bench Johnson?


Because we gave up something of value for Webster, therefore we clearly value him. And at the moment he is more NBA ready than Johnson. Brewer might start too, but I highly doubt Johnson does.



We gave up the #16 pick for Webster (Gomes was a throw away).
We drafted Johnson at #4

I think #4 has greater value than #16

I will give you that Webster may be more NBA ready but Johnson is the better talent.


Webster is a proven NBA starter coming from a playoff team. Wes, for all that he is "old" and "NBA ready," is a rookie. The draft choices involved in their acquisition are meaningless when it comes to the coaching decisions involved in who starts and who comes off the bench.
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Re: Does Brewer start for us this year? 

Post#32 » by Dewey » Tue Sep 7, 2010 11:09 am

Webster is a proven NBA starter
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It's fun to speculate, but since no one knows who will start, we simply need to appreciate the competition going into the season ... the depth will be a real treat for a change. No stars, but the player quality is increasing.
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