Magic Johnson....Gotta Ask

[fullermd]

This thread makes no sense.

Why would people create AIDS for wealth? What is the benefit of killing those who are poor and can't afford medicine? I could see infecting the rich so that you can make a huge killing in pharmaceuticals, but that doesn't exactly make any sense for killing off the poor. There isn't really any correlation there.

Anyone can make grand statements, but can you logically back any of them up?

In the 1950's the black to white population in South Africa was >15:1, now it is 10:1. 95% of Black South Africans live in poverty while less than 1% of White South Africans live in poverty. The average white household income is 8 times the average Black South African household income. Nearly .8million will die from AIDS in South Africa this year alone, only .3% are White, nearly all others are indigenous blacks. Nearly 40% of all black pregnant women are affected with HIV. South Africa is the most mineral and natural resourced region on the entire planet. Nearly 90% of it population is still black, inspite of the millons of deaths from AIDS. The blacks that make up nearly 90% of the population control less than .5% of the nations resources/wealth.

These statistics have to be researched and consolidated from a number of sources. The obvious ridiculous nature of this situation is pathetic. How is inequality in both wealth and suffering of this magnitude acceptable? It is not acceptable, it is simply a function of greed and hatred. HIV/AIDS is a weapon.

[fullermd]

I'm confused...

are you saying:

(A) The fact that Magic has not died shows that AIDS doesn't really kill, and that all the people that supposedly die of AIDS are being murdered in the name of greed, with AIDS serving as the cover-up?

or

(B) The fact that Magic has not died shows that there is a cure for AIDS that is not being disseminated?

(A) is absurb, so you must be saying (B). A possible answer that does not necessarily involve greed or hate is that Magic puts a ton of money into treating his HIV and that while it's a fair point to say we should be more charitable in treating diseases and other epidemics, there are a ton of other problems for which the same could be said. It might be the case that for every dollar we donate, we can save 5 lives from some other epidemic for every one we save from AIDS.

B. Effective AIDS meds exist, but are only available for the ridiculously wealthy, while the masses of black, brown and yellow (and poor whites) drop dead around the globe. As I said there is a disproportionate number in indigenously black and brown nations that have been colonized by european nations.

[fullermd]

I knew a puerto rican dude back home who had HIV. The dude was in excellent physical condition. And worked out as a boxer. Didnt drink didnt do drugs. Didnt look sick. He just kept clean and kept his body healthy. I asked him once if it was because of magic but he said no. I didnt believe him.

He is dead. IDK the exact cause because I dont have access to his medical files. But I was told he got very sick very fast. This was within a 1-2 year period. This was in the inner city.

You would probably be very surprised the number of people walking around infected. I didnt know how common it was until I was in prison. There is a look around the eyes and cheek bones that can be a bit of a give away. But of course that depends on the person because the guy I knew didnt have that look in the times that I saw him.

I always had a suspicion about HIV/AIDS. I sometimes wonder if it was some kind of population control. The areas you see it most in are poor, run down, and tend to have multiple children broken families. Now I dont know much outside of the inner city. But in talking with some people who have never lived in those conditions, they seem to speak of AIDS as if its a foreign matter. Lead me to think they have never been within walking distance of it.

I dont think there is anything wrong with questioning this. I actually think its a good idea and the OP is well written. It should be questioned. And I look down on Magic for not being way more open with it. He has been secretive as we talked about a long time ago in the magic/rent-a-center thread.

It could be living conditions. It could be mental as well. To carry this dreaded news and have a expiration date could draw a person very ill, while having a weakened amune system. IDK. What I do know from first hand experience is that even if you keep yourself in top shape, and live a clean life, people in poor parts of the world are still dropping dead from it.

All good points. Obviously, you understand my concern.

[fullermd]

Nice. Kudos on bumping your own dead post whilst making it look like you're challenging what is a fairly obvious statement.

What? You just sat a pebble down next to a mountain. Incredibly insignificant statement.

[4PointPlay]

Nice. Kudos on bumping your own dead post whilst making it look like you're challenging what is a fairly obvious statement.

What? You just sat a pebble down next to a mountain. Incredibly insignificant statement.

I do wonder what percentage of your overall posts are about basketball. My guess is less than 10%.

Do you just come here to look down on all of us "un-educated phlebs"? Seriously, take your clever references to a place where people give a damn, and let us get back to the basketball.

[King of Troy]

This thread makes no sense.

Why would people create AIDS for wealth? What is the benefit of killing those who are poor and can't afford medicine? I could see infecting the rich so that you can make a huge killing in pharmaceuticals, but that doesn't exactly make any sense for killing off the poor. There isn't really any correlation there.

Anyone can make grand statements, but can you logically back any of them up?

In the 1950's the black to white population in South Africa was >15:1, now it is 10:1. 95% of Black South Africans live in poverty while less than 1% of White South Africans live in poverty. The average white household income is 8 times the average Black South African household income. Nearly .8million will die from AIDS in South Africa this year alone, only .3% are White, nearly all others are indigenous blacks. Nearly 40% of all black pregnant women are affected with HIV. South Africa is the most mineral and natural resourced region on the entire planet. Nearly 90% of it population is still black, inspite of the millons of deaths from AIDS. The blacks that make up nearly 90% of the population control less than .5% of the nations resources/wealth.

These statistics have to be researched and consolidated from a number of sources. The obvious ridiculous nature of this situation is pathetic. How is inequality in both wealth and suffering of this magnitude acceptable? It is not acceptable, it is simply a function of greed and hatred. HIV/AIDS is a weapon.

Why is that beneficial though?

If Whites dominate S.A. economically, then why kill Blacks off? The wealthy need poor people to work for them, to run their factories and make them wealthier.

It seems more like you're making a racial statement then one based on wealth.

But then again, lets say Whites kill a lot or all of Black South Africans. That is actually bad for the whites with money. It devalues their wealth. 100k is worth a lot when the average wages are 4k. Eliminating the poor would actually increase inflation at a very fast rate. It is beneficial for the rich to have as much poor people as possible.

[4PointPlay]

It seems more like you're making a racial statement then one based on wealth.

Fullermd make a racial statement? No way.

[NyKnicks1714]

It seems more like you're making a racial statement then one based on wealth.

Fullermd make a racial statement? No way.

What's next, ITGM posting a gif, TheBluest giving someone a nickname?

[GnarlesOakley]

It's simple really. HIV treatment is profitable for pharmaceutical companies, especially so because they do whatever is in their power to keep the drugs patented so only the big companies can sell them. Sure the scientists who are intelligent enough to come up with these treatments deserve to be rewarded for it, but big pharma is making billions at the expense of the world's have nots. You can live a long and healthy life with HIV...if you can afford it. For the thousands dying in Africa of AIDS, as well as those in the inner cities of the US and elsewhere, tough luck.

Is the government openly supporting the spread of HIV and blocking a cure? Not impossible, but I doubt it. They just don't care, as curing HIV is much less profitable than expensive treatments that are under the monopoly of Big Pharma.

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[ikidunot]

My uncle had AIDS or HIV, I really don't know which one but I think it was AIDS because the doctors told his parents to look for a burial headstone, Also he's lover died of AIDS 8 years before. He was in his 40s before he went to the doctors. But anyway he had it for a long time, he had lesions all over his face(yuck!) He was 90 pounds. but he would never go to the doctor because he's motto was "you have to die with something". But he got real sick in 2006 so he's parents started to take him to the doctors, sure enough he had AIDS. They didn't give him medicine because they said it was too late for that. So basically they just sent him home to die. he had a 4 count blood ...something like that.

Now his parents are very religious. So they prayed and they told him to pray and yadda yadda. He's strength started to come back, and he could eat now, and could hold his bowels.Next thing you know he got "saved" and got better. He was under a doctor for 2 more years but in 2008 the doctor officially release him because they can't find the AIDS virus no more. He got a job working at the naval base. In 2009 he got married and the women knows about his past, everyone knows about his past because he testify in church any chance he gets that God cured him of AIDS.

He hasn't showed any signs of the disease or his wife. I don't know if he still likes guys or not since he got married to a women but he was bisexual before so he always liked both. I'm not saying you can get cured from AIDS but from what I saw him look like to now. He believes he is cured and the doctors believe it too. Whatever he had he doesn't have it no more. No more lesions on his face, I use to cringe when I looked at him. He also use to have thrush in his mouth(yuck yuck yuck!)

[GotItNow]

My uncle had AIDS or HIV, I really don't know which one but I think it was AIDS because the doctors told his parents to look for a burial headstone, Also he's lover died on AIDS 8 years before. He was in his 40s before he went to the doctors. But anyway he had it for a long time, he had lesions all over his face(yuck!) He was 90 pounds. but he would never go to the doctor because he's motto was "you have to die with something". But he got real sick in 2006 so he's parents started to take him to the doctors, sure enough he had AIDS. They didn't give him medicine because they said it was too late for that. So basically they just sent him home to die. he had a 4 count blood count..something like that.

Now his parents are very religious. So they prayed and they told him to pray and yadda yadda. He's strength started to come back, and he could eat now, and could hold his bowls.Next thing you know he got "saved" and got better. He was under a doctor for 2 more years but in 2008 the doctor officially release him because they can't find the AIDS virus no more. He got a job working at the naval base in in 2009 he got married and the women knows about his past, everyone knows about his past because he testifys in church any chance he gets that God cured him of AIDS.

He hasn't showed any signs of the disease or his wife. I don't know if he still likes guys or not since he got married to a women but he was bisexual before so he always liked both. I'm not saying you can get cured from AIDS but from what I saw him look like to now. He believes he is cured and the doctors believe it too. Whatever he had he doesn't have it no more. No more lesions on his face, I use to cringe when I looked at him. He also use to have thrush in his mouth(yuck yuck yuck!)

That's amazing. I don't know what else to say.

[fullermd]

My uncle had AIDS or HIV, I really don't know which one but I think it was AIDS because the doctors told his parents to look for a burial headstone, Also he's lover died of AIDS 8 years before. He was in his 40s before he went to the doctors. But anyway he had it for a long time, he had lesions all over his face(yuck!) He was 90 pounds. but he would never go to the doctor because he's motto was "you have to die with something". But he got real sick in 2006 so he's parents started to take him to the doctors, sure enough he had AIDS. They didn't give him medicine because they said it was too late for that. So basically they just sent him home to die. he had a 4 count blood ...something like that.

Now his parents are very religious. So they prayed and they told him to pray and yadda yadda. He's strength started to come back, and he could eat now, and could hold his bowels.Next thing you know he got "saved" and got better. He was under a doctor for 2 more years but in 2008 the doctor officially release him because they can't find the AIDS virus no more. He got a job working at the naval base. In 2009 he got married and the women knows about his past, everyone knows about his past because he testify in church any chance he gets that God cured him of AIDS.

He hasn't showed any signs of the disease or his wife. I don't know if he still likes guys or not since he got married to a women but he was bisexual before so he always liked both. I'm not saying you can get cured from AIDS but from what I saw him look like to now. He believes he is cured and the doctors believe it too. Whatever he had he doesn't have it no more. No more lesions on his face, I use to cringe when I looked at him. He also use to have thrush in his mouth(yuck yuck yuck!)

This is a true story? If so, yes it is amazing.

[ikidunot]

^^^^ Yes its true. He is doing great now. Job with the government, marriage is going great. Actively involve in church.He looks in better health than me. The doctors can't even believe it. They sent him to 3 specialist before they said he was AIDS free. None of them could find the virus anymore. Also he's blood count is back to normal before it was 4. In the lesions are gone, etc.

But back to the topic of Magic. I just think he got some advance treatment that rich people could get. Also I thought it was weird that he's unborn baby didn't get it. But Eazy E unborn baby didn't get it either... so IDK.

[Scalabrine]

Sadly, one of the other major world problems is the rapid increase of population, you can either save alot of lives by finding an affordable "cure" to AIDS and make population spike at an even more rapid rate, or you can keep it to yourself, make lots of money from people that can afford it and have AIDS continue to be a flood gate for the very big problem of the amount of having more births than deaths.

People have to die, its sad but true.

[fullermd]

O.k., it seems that just about everyone is missing my point, even when I come right out and say it: HIV/AIDS has been used as a weapon for population control/reduction in colonized indigenous people in Africa (and also has had application in Southeast Asia, South America and America's Inner Cities). Two points to this:

1. There is a cure, or effective treatment to diminish its effects to relatively nothing (ie Magic Johnson), but the powers that utilize it obviously play a role in ensuring that affordable versions of this treatment / medication are not developed.

2. The inception of this disease. The monkey story....not buying it. It may have been conceived via homosexual activity or intravenous drug use, neither are popular in any African culture (hell, the people are struggling to eat consistent meals in a country/continent that is the most naturally resourced and mineral enriched on the planet). Yet, the few live like kings in a country/continent that is not their own....Europe's wealth is a direct result of centuries of their exploitations of the land and peoples of Africa. Nevertheless, I will not go as far as to say that the weapon of HIV/AIDS was developed in a laboratory, but its effects were discovered there, and it was subsequently used to reduce indigenous populations. Motivation: Greed, Hatred/Fear.

As I said, Magic Johnson is not an example of what could be, more than he is evidence of what is."Education is our passport into the future, and tomorrow is for those who prepare for it today"

[4PointPlay]

I love it how every time this thread drops onto the second page, suddenly fullermd posts on it again.

[bigfnjoe96]

The reality of the matter is Magic Johnson is not healthy because he's a millionaire, he's healthy because he lives in the US. He's healthy because everyone infected with HIV get's infected with a different HIV Viral strain. No 2 people will ever have identical viral strain. Not to mention that each viral strain acts different in each individual. Dependent on how violent the strain you got infected with is plays a BIG part in expected life span.

Medications have dramatically changed since the time MAGIC was infected. Back then we had maybe 5 HIV Medications. Today we have all different types of medications:

Multi-Class Combination Drugs
Atripla Atripla (efavirenz + tenofovir + emtricitabine)

Nucleoside/Nucleotide Reverse Transcriptase Inhibitors (NRTIs)

Combivir Combivir (zidovudine + lamivudine, AZT + 3TC)
Emtriva Emtriva (emtricitabine, FTC)
Epivir Epivir (lamivudine, 3TC)
Epzicom Epzicom (Kivexa, abacavir + lamivudine, ABC + 3TC)
Retrovir Retrovir (zidovudine, AZT, ZDV)
Trizivir Trizivir (abacavir + zidovudine + lamivudine, ABC + AZT + 3TC)
Truvada Truvada (tenofovir DF + emtricitabine, TDF + FTC)
Videx Videx & Videx EC (didanosine, ddI)
Viread Viread (tenofovir disoproxil fumarate, TDF)
Zerit Zerit (stavudine, d4T)
Ziagen Ziagen (abacavir, ABC)
Racivir (RCV)
Amdoxovir (AMDX, DAPD)
Apricitabine (SPD754, AVX754)
Elvucitabine (ACH-126,443, Beta-L-Fd4C)

Immune-Based Therapies

Immunitin (HE2000, alpha-epibromide)
Proleukin (aldesleukin, Interleukin-2, IL-2)
Remune (HIV-1 Immunogen, Salk vaccine)
BAY 50-4798 (In Development)
IR103 (In Development)

Pharmacokinetic Enhancers
Norvir (ritonavir, RTV)
Cobicistat (GS-9350)
SPI-452 (In Development)

Non-Nucleoside Reverse Transcriptase Inhibitors (NNRTIs)

Intelence Intelence (etravirine, ETV, TMC-125)
Rescriptor Rescriptor (delavirdine, DLV)
Sustiva Sustiva (Stocrin, efavirenz, EFV)
Viramune Viramune (nevirapine, NVP)
Rilpivirine (TMC-278)

Protease Inhibitors (PIs)

Agenerase Agenerase (amprenavir, APV)
Aptivus Aptivus (tipranavir, TPV)
Crixivan Crixivan (indinavir, IDV)
Invirase Invirase (saquinavir, SQV)
Kaletra Kaletra (Aluvia, lopinavir/ritonavir, LPV/r)
Lexiva Lexiva (Telzir, fosamprenavir, FPV)
Norvir Norvir (ritonavir, RTV)
Prezista Prezista (darunavir, DRV)
Reyataz Reyataz (atazanavir, ATV)
Viracept Viracept (nelfinavir, NFV)

Entry Inhibitors (including Fusion Inhibitors)

Fuzeon Fuzeon (enfuvirtide, ENF, T-20)
maraviroc Selzentry (Celsentri, maraviroc, UK-427,857)
Vicriviroc (SCH-417690, SCH-D)
Ibalizumab (TNX-355)
PRO 140 (In Development)

Integrase Inhibitors

Isentress Isentress (raltegravir, MK-0518)
GSK-572 (In Development)
Elvitegravir (GS-9137)

Maturation Inhibitors
Bevirimat (PA-457)

Cellular Inhibitors
Droxia or Hydrea (hydroxyurea, HU)

I don't blame people for thinking HIV/AIDS was man made, Especially after Tuskegee. If you are really interested or want to have your brain peaked may I suggest people watch this documentary

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/

It is the most updated & thorough documentary on HIV/AIDS today.

As someone who has worked in HIV for 14 years, I suggest we don't get to caught-up in HOW but worry more about WHEN. The complacency that has come over us about this issue is very disturbing to me. The infection rate in the US has not gone down. People of all ages & ethnicities are still getting infected. Many via un-protected sex. Many due to mis-information that's still out there about how someone contracts the HIV Virus.

There is NO CURE for HIV. Magic Johnson doesn't have enough money to buy a CURE. The next best thing to a CURE is EDUCATION. Please educate yourselves & your love-ones & always remember it's better to be SAFE than SORRY..

[GotItNow]

Sadly, one of the other major world problems is the rapid increase of population, you can either save alot of lives by finding an affordable "cure" to AIDS and make population spike at an even more rapid rate, or you can keep it to yourself, make lots of money from people that can afford it and have AIDS continue to be a flood gate for the very big problem of the amount of having more births than deaths.

People have to die, its sad but true.

Population growth is an issue but that's a demonic way to solve it. Established prosperous countries have a much lower birth rate than poor ones. Finding a way to have the poorer countries find their footing would be a better way.

[Christophersp10]

Why is Fuller allowed to post this bs and make it white/black?


I have watched several documentaries about AIDS and I read And The Band Played On. Fuller, maybe you should do the same.

The first cases of HIV/Aids went back to the 1950's. It wasn't until the mid 1970's that the explosion happened. The first real cases/outbreak was scene by 1981/1982.

The infections in the 70's and deaths in the early 80's were attributed to the following. One in 1976 everybody and their mother from all across the world went to NYC for the 200th bday. The airline industry going all over the world. The gay bath houses were men had sex with numerous of others. There was an airline steward who had sex all over the world with hundreds, if not thousands of others. Gay men were more likely to go to San Fran, NYC, LA, Provincetown Mass to either live or visit. You go out there, have fun and catch something. Some went back to the small town and infected others.

Some of the infected, shared needles with others while doing drug use. This lead to the Heroin community getting infected. Some of the people were bi and had unprotected sex with women. This lead to women becoming infected. Some of the infected donated blood, this lead to numerous others becoming infected especially Hemophiliacs.

HIV was going all over the place. It ended up going to Africa which is a very poor continent. A decent amount of people in Africa were unaware to the truths about HIV or unaware about it in general. Using condoms was either a sin for using birth control or condoms weren't available. Hell I heard stories about how people thought having sex with virgins would cure them of HIV. Lets also not forget that health care was non existant or bare bones. Women were infecting their new born children because they either didn't know they were infected and or health care wasn't available.


HIV wasn't created by the White Man to keep the black man down. You have no clue how ignorant you come off and I am shocked that you are still allowed to troll on here. HIV probably came from one of two things. The Pollio Vaccines way back in the day where they put god knows what into it from god knows where. It just took several decades to spread. The other theory? HIV made a species jump from the Monkey to the Man. A butcher/handler was cutting a monkey and got their blood on him. The butcher might have had a cut on his finger. Maybe it happened to more than one butcher. Butcher goes out, has sex with his wife. Has sex with prostitutes, etc etc etc.

And why is Magic Johnson still alive? Because he is a very wealthy man who can afford the very best in health care. Magic also caught the HIV virus in the late 1980's and he probably got himself tested often and caught it in time. 5 years earlier and he would have been dead awhile ago. HIV is no longer the death sentence that it once was for people who can afford health care and take care of themselves.