Bargnani vs. Gallinari

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Re: Bargnani vs. Gallinari 

Post#61 » by Kabookalu » Thu Sep 9, 2010 10:54 pm

Toxicity wrote:Well, this summer we have seen another Bargs on the court... not only he finished as the top scorer of the euro qualify competition @ 24.1 ppg (on 52.4% FG, commanding double teams, etc) but he was also the best player in 2 Pts Field Goals Made with 8.1 per game! He took 3,75 3p shots per game: that's just 20% of his total field goals attempted. So i think Andrea is gradually changing his game... less perimeter oriented and more inside. And he was pretty confortable doing that... that's my biggest surprise!


Bargnani definitely looked like a different player and had a certain "swag" to him I've never seen before in these international games, I really hope it sticks with him from now on and it translates. I can't say for certain if it will but we'll see this upcoming season.
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Post#62 » by paul » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:56 am

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Toxicity wrote:Well, this summer we have seen another Bargs on the court... not only he finished as the top scorer of the euro qualify competition @ 24.1 ppg (on 52.4% FG, commanding double teams, etc) but he was also the best player in 2 Pts Field Goals Made with 8.1 per game! He took 3,75 3p shots per game: that's just 20% of his total field goals attempted. So i think Andrea is gradually changing his game... less perimeter oriented and more inside. And he was pretty confortable doing that... that's my biggest surprise!


Bargnani definitely looked like a different player and had a certain "swag" to him I've never seen before in these international games, I really hope it sticks with him from now on and it translates. I can't say for certain if it will but we'll see this upcoming season.


Who was he playing against if you guys don't mind me asking?
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Post#63 » by Lionel Messi » Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:09 am

Choker, you have no case when you go up against Bucks fans. All they saw was Bogut bending Bargs over and having his way with him.
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Post#64 » by paul » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:58 am

Lionel Messi wrote:Choker, you have no case when you go up against Bucks fans. All they saw was Bogut bending Bargs over and having his way with him.


I'm not trying to rip anyone, just wondered who the new and improved inside scoring Andrea had guarding him when he was tearing up the paint at the Euro qualifiers?
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Post#65 » by Kabookalu » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:52 am

Lionel Messi wrote:Choker, you have no case when you go up against Bucks fans. All they saw was Bogut bending Bargs over and having his way with him.


I've already realized that, but from time to time it's fun to test your abilities against the most stubborn fanbase.




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Post#66 » by ronnymac2 » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:13 am

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ronnymac2 wrote:Honest question.....what will Bargs do this season? Will he play Power Forward? What will his numbers be?

From what I've seen, I'm taking Gallo. I want a Raptors fan to fill me in on expectations for Bargs this season though.


He'll most likely play center again with the drafting of Ed Davis and extension of Amir Johnson. And what I'm hoping is that Bargnani gets situated in the mid range area more often. He has way too quick of a first step for a big man to not take advantage of.


Hmmm....all right. Thanks. Hope that works out.
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Post#67 » by ZzAzZ » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:42 pm

Well I have to say, the best post on this thread goes to me... well the two best now.

Give me Gallo though.
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Post#68 » by tsherkin » Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:04 pm

ronny...

With Bargs, he's shown some flashes. It's tough to evaluate, because 3/4s of his buckets were assisted last year and it was higher than that in previous seasons, but he's shown some good handles for a dude his size, a good first step, obviously the jumper, and a developing game with his back to the basket (basic hook shots and so forth). It's possible, I mean he's 7' 250, he's got a decent base.

No sane person is predicting Dirk-like numbers from him, but he's got the tools to be a fairly impressive scorer if he can get sorted out and semi-consistent. The big issue with him isn't offense, though, it's defense and rebounding; he's an abysmal rebounder and whatever improvements he's made have been marginal; his career-high TRB% is 10.4%, which is 1.2% better than his career-low/rookie numbers, and that's pathetic for a 4/5. Like, no-excuse, godawful, waste-of-skin, why-are-you-breathing-my-air pathetic for a big man.

I can understand why is ORB% is lower, he spends a lot of time away from the rim behind the arc, or did. That will change if he's being asked to create his own shot a little more, and in fact has changed; his ORB% this past season was 4.6%, which is better than all but 4 seasons from Nowitzki (one of which was his 47-game rookie season, so it doesn't count), so that's actually really promising. His big problem is that he's 4-6% below where he should be in DRB%. He needs to be in the 18-20% range there, which isn't epic, it's just good for a player at that position (Dirk rocks 22.1% on his career, and has been 24%+ 3 times, topping out at 25.0). I'd be comfortable with that, since it'd make Andrea something like a 13-4% TRB player, which is much more acceptable than his absurdly ineffectual play in that respect at the moment.

He's a slack-off bastard on the defensive glass, though, I constantly complain about the fact that he doesn't position well and doesn't move to the ball, particularly under Numpty Triano, who I hope gets fired very quickly.

We'll see. He has potential as a scorer, but he's definitely not a franchise-type player without some radical changes to his game, and it worries me that we continue to treat him as if he's an equal to or replacement for someone like Chris Bosh even, who is himself a second-tier player.
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Re: Bargnani vs. Gallinari 

Post#69 » by Subway Token » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:53 pm

Choker wrote:
Toxicity wrote:Well, this summer we have seen another Bargs on the court... not only he finished as the top scorer of the euro qualify competition @ 24.1 ppg (on 52.4% FG, commanding double teams, etc) but he was also the best player in 2 Pts Field Goals Made with 8.1 per game! He took 3,75 3p shots per game: that's just 20% of his total field goals attempted. So i think Andrea is gradually changing his game... less perimeter oriented and more inside. And he was pretty confortable doing that... that's my biggest surprise!


Bargnani definitely looked like a different player and had a certain "swag" to him I've never seen before in these international games, I really hope it sticks with him from now on and it translates. I can't say for certain if it will but we'll see this upcoming season.


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Re: Bargnani vs. Gallinari 

Post#70 » by Kabookalu » Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:29 pm

knicksfan5494 wrote:Scola is putting Jordan-esque numbers out there. What's your point.


My point had nothing to do with numbers and stats if you've noticed.




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Post#71 » by AussieBuck » Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:40 pm

Choker wrote:
Lionel Messi wrote:Choker, you have no case when you go up against Bucks fans. All they saw was Bogut bending Bargs over and having his way with him.


I've already realized that, but from time to time it's fun to test your abilities against the most stubborn fanbase.

Who remembers all the awesome Bogut V Bargnani threads? :D
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Post#72 » by Kabookalu » Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:42 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Who remembers all the awesome Bogut V Bargnani threads? :D


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Post#73 » by AussieBuck » Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:23 pm

Choker wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Who remembers all the awesome Bogut V Bargnani threads? :D


Only Bucks fans.

A heap of Raptors fans thought Bargs was the better player just 6 months ago. It will happen again this season too when Bargnani has a good stretch of games. I don't know if that counts as stubborn or stupid though.
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Post#74 » by ipoopinmypants » Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:34 pm

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Choker wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Who remembers all the awesome Bogut V Bargnani threads? :D


Only Bucks fans.

A heap of Raptors fans thought Bargs was the better player just 6 months ago. It will happen again this season too when Bargnani has a good stretch of games. I don't know if that counts as stubborn or stupid though.

Oh, both definitely apply. :wink:
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Post#75 » by Kabookalu » Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:41 pm

AussieBuck wrote:A heap of Raptors fans thought Bargs was the better player just 6 months ago. It will happen again this season too when Bargnani has a good stretch of games. I don't know if that counts as stubborn or stupid though.


Well Bogut being better than Bargnani is at least one of few thing Bucks fans can look forward to.




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Post#76 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:27 am

Choker wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:A heap of Raptors fans thought Bargs was the better player just 6 months ago. It will happen again this season too when Bargnani has a good stretch of games. I don't know if that counts as stubborn or stupid though.


Well Bogut being better than Bargnani is at least one of few thing Bucks fans can look forward to.


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Post#77 » by Subway Token » Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:35 am

Lol @ a Raptors fan making jokes about other teams. Even us Knicks fans have more of a right to brag than you guys;
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Post#78 » by Kabookalu » Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:16 am

Bucksfans1and2 wrote:The Toronto Raptors should not be throwing stones. They won't make the playoffs, while the Bucks will be shooting for HCA in the first round.


Well have fun with that, I wasn't entirely insulting the Bucks fanbase (okay I was) because Raptors fans have nothing to look forward to.




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Post#79 » by Lionel Messi » Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:20 pm

knicksfan5494 wrote:Lol @ a Raptors fan making jokes about other teams. Even us Knicks fans have more of a right to brag than you guys;


How? You guys are just a poor-man's version of last year's Raptors with an older, worse version of Bosh.

SO EXCITING!
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Post#80 » by tsherkin » Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:00 pm

Lionel Messi wrote:How? You guys are just a poor-man's version of last year's Raptors with an older, worse version of Bosh.

SO EXCITING!


Say what? If Bogut's healthy, they've got a 15/10 big man who defends very well, they've got a great wing defender in Mbah A Moute, they've got Salmons and Maggette to add wing scoring, they've got Brandon Jennings (an awesome young talent who's also a good defender), and they drafted a high-upside athletic big.

They're way different than Toronto.

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