Moss To Queens Complete - Update Page 6

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #321 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 8:59 pm

Adam_Schefter Adam Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Vikings and Randy Moss restructured his contract. No new money, but promise that Minnesota will not franchise/transition him.

Interesting. Seems like there is a chance (even if it's small) that they don't resign him long term.

El Duderino · Post #322 » by **El Duderino** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:01 pm

rilamann wrote:
DrugBust wrote:There aren't many 3-4 defensive lines I'd rather have, to be honest. Pickett, Raji and Jenkins have been great. Neal is an ideal 4th lineman.

Yeah,the D-line has been solid as hell,maybe not super spectacular but pretty damn solid.Sucks Harrell got hurt and Jolly got suspended or it could have been like 2007 with the solid rotation of guys which would have been almost unfair.

Obviously our secondary when healthy is great as well.

Once TT can upgrade the LB group this defense will be damn good.

Woodson can only be elite so long, father time catches up sometimes very quickly with guys who need speed to be productive and who knows about Harris.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #323 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:04 pm

I agree with El Dude. Need 1 more CB. Collins, Burnett, and Bigby are solid at Safety with eventually Woodson moving back there. Tramon holds down one side and we need another starter. Harris and Shields would be great 3/4 CBs

Post #324 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:05 pm

PackBuckGophZag wrote:
Adam_Schefter Adam Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Vikings and Randy Moss restructured his contract. No new money, but promise that Minnesota will not franchise/transition him.

Interesting. Seems like there is a chance (even if it's small) that they don't resign him long term.

It really seems like they're giving up a 3rd for a couple months of Moss and that's it. Steep.

Post #325 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:06 pm

I think Shields has a good chance to be the long term solution opposite Williams, but I agree we need another guy.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #326 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:08 pm

OLB, CB, RB, MLB, KR/PR are my top 5 positions to look for in the draft next year.

rilamann · Post #327 » by **rilamann** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:11 pm

El Duderino wrote:
rilamann wrote:
DrugBust wrote:There aren't many 3-4 defensive lines I'd rather have, to be honest. Pickett, Raji and Jenkins have been great. Neal is an ideal 4th lineman.

Yeah,the D-line has been solid as hell,maybe not super spectacular but pretty damn solid.Sucks Harrell got hurt and Jolly got suspended or it could have been like 2007 with the solid rotation of guys which would have been almost unfair.

Obviously our secondary when healthy is great as well.

Once TT can upgrade the LB group this defense will be damn good.

Woodson can only be elite so long, father time catches up sometimes very quickly with guys who need speed to be productive and who knows about Harris.

Very true but I think Woodson might be the rare exception.

I don't know how long he can play at an elite level,his days are probably numbered in that regard but I think he can still be solid for another 4-5 years.

It will be interesting to see how Harris plays once he comes back but with Tramon Williams really coming into his own if Harris can at least be solid that will give us good depth.

The Burnett injury really bothers me though,I hope it's not something that has an impact on his career because while he wasn't playing at an elite level he played pretty damn solid for a rookie thrown into the fire.

I think the future is pretty bright for him if he can recover strong.He's young though so I'm pretty optimistic about that.

If you are a pro athlete and you're going to blow out your knee I guess your rookie year while your in your early 20's would be the best time to do it I guess.

Our secondary should be pretty solid with nice depth for the next few years.

rilamann · Post #328 » by **rilamann** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:15 pm

I do agree with you guys though,if TT has the opportunity to draft a solid CB with some potential it would be a pretty wise move to take him.

But I don't think CB will be a glaring need the next year or two.

Our glaring need going into the 2011 draft and free agency is to upgrade the lBs IMO.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #329 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:19 pm

In today's NFL, you can never have too many quality CBs.

xTitan · Post #330 » by **xTitan** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:42 pm

Ron Wolf's philosophy was to draft an OL and DB/S every year...not sure if he did that, but he wanted to...if you play the 3-4 I think you also must draft at the very least 1 LB every year as well...

The Vikings have no intension of extending Moss at this time...they have a boat load of thier own players waiting for extensions......entend Moss and you tear that locker room up immediately.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #331 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:47 pm

Trade Jordy Nelson for DeAngelo Williams and sign Randy Moss in the off season.

Rodgers
Williams/Grant
Moss/Jennings/Driver/Jones
Finley

That would be one hell of an offense. I think Williams and Grant would complement each other well.

RiotPunch · Post #332 » by **RiotPunch** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:58 pm

PackBuckGophZag wrote:Trade Jordy Nelson for DeAngelo Williams and sign Randy Moss in the off season.

Rodgers
Williams/Grant
Moss/Jennings/Driver/Jones
Finley

That would be one hell of an offense. I think Williams and Grant would complement each other well.

Is Jordy for DeAngelo even remotely realistic? I know they are hurting for receivers but I would think it would take more than Nelson to pry away their stud RB. Wouldn't James Jones be more attractive from their end? Either way I would do it, D. Williams would put up ridiculous numbers within our offense.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #333 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 10:05 pm

condood wrote:
PackBuckGophZag wrote:Trade Jordy Nelson for DeAngelo Williams and sign Randy Moss in the off season.

Rodgers
Williams/Grant
Moss/Jennings/Driver/Jones
Finley

That would be one hell of an offense. I think Williams and Grant would complement each other well.

Is Jordy for DeAngelo even remotely realistic? I know they are hurting for receivers but I would think it would take more than Nelson to pry away their stud RB. Wouldn't James Jones be more attractive from their end? Either way I would do it, D. Williams would put up ridiculous numbers within our offense.

No I just made that up. I don't think it would take too much more. Williams is in a contract year and the Panthers have basically made it known they aren't going to pay him.

El Duderino · Post #334 » by **El Duderino** » Fri Oct 8, 2010 12:54 am

rilamann wrote:
El Duderino wrote:
rilamann wrote:
Yeah,the D-line has been solid as hell,maybe not super spectacular but pretty damn solid.Sucks Harrell got hurt and Jolly got suspended or it could have been like 2007 with the solid rotation of guys which would have been almost unfair.

Obviously our secondary when healthy is great as well.

Once TT can upgrade the LB group this defense will be damn good.

Woodson can only be elite so long, father time catches up sometimes very quickly with guys who need speed to be productive and who knows about Harris.

Very true but I think Woodson might be the rare exception.

I don't know how long he can play at an elite level,his days are probably numbered in that regard but I think he can still be solid for another 4-5 years.

I'd agree that if Woodson wanted to play another 4 years or so, he likely could be productive assuming he doesn't suffer any bad injuries to his knees or feet.

What i wonder about is how many of those 4 years or so can be at cornerback? At this point in his career i have no idea what kind of 40 time Woodson would run, but it seems clear to me that his incredible smarts, savvy, and instincts are what make him special more than athletic gifts. That said, he still has enough speed left which combined with his smarts/instincts, it makes him an elite corner. Two years from now though, his best chance to be very good might be as a safety. Impossible to know right now.

Either way, with as pass happy as the NFL is, i'll never complain if Ted uses a 1st-3rd round pick on a corner. You'll never hear an NFL GM or coach say, damn, we just have to many quality corners. In fact, Ted has taken some risk by only using one 1st-3rd round pick on a corner in five years of drafting and that was Lee who seems a bust. When Harris got hurt last year, it showed then that there wasn't really any young quality CB ready to step into the nickle job after Tramon was bumped to starter. So Bush became the nickle corner and obviously that didn't go well.

Wilford Brimley · Post #335 » by **Wilford Brimley** » Fri Oct 8, 2010 4:32 am

2 thoughts

-Is Favre going to try and force it to Moss more than he should?

-With Favre's loss of arm strength, and the fact that he never had a good deep ball to begin with, could Randy literally outrun some of Favres passes?

Or am I just wshfully thinking?

Kerb Hohl · Post #336 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Oct 8, 2010 4:36 am

PackBuckGophZag wrote:
condood wrote:
PackBuckGophZag wrote:Trade Jordy Nelson for DeAngelo Williams and sign Randy Moss in the off season.

Rodgers
Williams/Grant
Moss/Jennings/Driver/Jones
Finley

That would be one hell of an offense. I think Williams and Grant would complement each other well.

Is Jordy for DeAngelo even remotely realistic? I know they are hurting for receivers but I would think it would take more than Nelson to pry away their stud RB. Wouldn't James Jones be more attractive from their end? Either way I would do it, D. Williams would put up ridiculous numbers within our offense.

No I just made that up. I don't think it would take too much more. Williams is in a contract year and the Panthers have basically made it known they aren't going to pay him.

If the Panthers GM takes Jordy for DeAngelo, contract year or not, he might as well pack up his bags and clean out his office.

El Duderino · Post #337 » by **El Duderino** » Fri Oct 8, 2010 4:56 am

DrugBust wrote:
PackBuckGophZag wrote:
Adam_Schefter Adam Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Vikings and Randy Moss restructured his contract. No new money, but promise that Minnesota will not franchise/transition him.

Interesting. Seems like there is a chance (even if it's small) that they don't resign him long term.

It really seems like they're giving up a 3rd for a couple months of Moss and that's it. Steep.

I just thought of something

Let's say the Vikings don't win reach the Super Bowl and they choose to not resign him. Moss then becomes a free agent and someone will sign him. Wouldn't Minnesota then get a pretty high comp pick in return, something in the 3rd-4th round range?

In the Lynch debate i read one reporter say Ted should have given up a 3rd because we'll get a 3rd or 4th round comp pick for Kampman. If Kampman draws a 3rd or 4th round comp pick, i'd have to assume that so would Moss? If that is the case, they'd have rented him for close to nothing. Am i wrong about this?

crkone · Post #338 » by **crkone** » Fri Oct 8, 2010 12:33 pm

El Duderino wrote:
DrugBust wrote:
PackBuckGophZag wrote:Interesting. Seems like there is a chance (even if it's small) that they don't resign him long term.

It really seems like they're giving up a 3rd for a couple months of Moss and that's it. Steep.

I just thought of something

Let's say the Vikings don't win reach the Super Bowl and they choose to not resign him. Moss then becomes a free agent and someone will sign him. Wouldn't Minnesota then get a pretty high comp pick in return, something in the 3rd-4th round range?

In the Lynch debate i read one reporter say Ted should have given up a 3rd because we'll get a 3rd or 4th round comp pick for Kampman. If Kampman draws a 3rd or 4th round comp pick, i'd have to assume that so would Moss? If that is the case, they'd have rented him for close to nothing. Am i wrong about this?

You only get a pick if your lost FA to gained FA is in the red, i.e. you lost more than you signed.

xTitan · Post #339 » by **xTitan** » Fri Oct 8, 2010 1:57 pm

With the collective bargaining agreement up in the air there is a legit question if compensatory picks will even be available this year, perhaps that is why you are seeing some trades made.

Wilford Brimley · Post #340 » by **Wilford Brimley** » Sat Oct 9, 2010 3:37 pm

http://footballoutsiders.com/extra-poin ... right-move

For the record, I've spoken to a few people behind the scenes and while I can't give specifics, believe me that everything you've heard about Moss arguing with coaches this season is about half as bad as it actually was. From a stat analyst perspective, the trade makes no sense, but from a team psychology perspective, it had to happen.