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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#21 » by kellmellus50 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:53 pm

ajaX82 wrote:
kellmellus50 wrote:Bryant johnson only 7 catches and Nate Burleson 12 catches are vets doing bad at WR.

We need to draft a WR with are 1st choice to help calvin johnson.watch the lions draft a WR and everybody will be surprised except me.


A WR with our first round pick? You must be joking...

Unless you are Matt Millen of course


You can laugh all you want but on draft day when the first pick is anounced i will be the one laughing at all of you .
if the lions did not need another WR why is TE Tony Scheffler playing WR at times .They don't even play Derric Williams another WR ? Bryant johnson only 7 catches will not make next years roster.
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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#22 » by Icness » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:02 pm

I just finished a mock draft, will be up on the site tomorrow.
I have the Lions taking Patrick Peterson CB/RS LSU at #5 overall and Akeem Ayers LB UCLA at #37.

The Lions scouts I've talked with--I'm going to the Texas/Baylor game with one tonight--have told me they are looking very hard at DBs and OLBs but also OL. Texas has a pair of CBs that will be heavily scrutinized tonight. I prefer Williams to Brown but I get the sense the Lions lean the other way at this early juncture.

Just my educated guess but a WR is not OOTQ in rounds 2-4. It's more likely in rounds 4-6 and I suspect it will be a shifty slot-type guy that can also return punts/kicks. Stefan Logan still has to prove he can do more IMO but he's on the right track. I know one Lions scout loves Jurrell Jernigan from Troy and he fits that profile but he's not real good value at the top of the 2nd and he probably will be gone by the top of the 3rd.

Derrick Williams and Bryant Johnson will both have to show A LOT the rest of the way to merit roster spots next season. Keep in mind the coaches would love to run 12 personnel (1 RB, 2 TE, 2 WR) as the base offense so having more than Calvin, Burleson, and one other well-paid guy (they hope it will be Williams) doesn't make a lot of sense. Scheffler is very good in the Dallas Clark/Jason Witten role of split TE and he will function as the primary 3rd receiver, and he does so very well. I've always thought Williams is garbage FWIW, hated that pick from the second they announced him.
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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#23 » by Piston Pete » Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:06 am

Like the mock. Would LOVE to get Patterson in round one, and best available LB in round 2. Love it!

I was thinking that Burleson might be able to move to the slot when we do go 3-wide, so I pictured us getting a bigger WR in one of the later rounds. Names that come to mind (maybe you have others) include Hankerson (Miami), Toliver (LSU), Binns (Cinci), or Salas (Hawaii).

If we want fast/quick, another name that comes to mind is Rojo (USC) who has been good at returning kicks this season....

Can you tell me more about OLB Dontay MOch (Nevada). Saw a site listing his am 6'1", 240-ish and runs a sub 4.4??? Is that accurate? What do you know about that kid?
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Post#24 » by Icness » Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:25 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Like the mock. Would LOVE to get Patterson in round one, and best available LB in round 2. Love it!

I was thinking that Burleson might be able to move to the slot when we do go 3-wide, so I pictured us getting a bigger WR in one of the later rounds. Names that come to mind (maybe you have others) include Hankerson (Miami), Toliver (LSU), Binns (Cinci), or Salas (Hawaii).

If we want fast/quick, another name that comes to mind is Rojo (USC) who has been good at returning kicks this season....

Can you tell me more about OLB Dontay MOch (Nevada). Saw a site listing his am 6'1", 240-ish and runs a sub 4.4??? Is that accurate? What do you know about that kid?


He's playing at about 235 and the 4.4 is overly optimistic, more like low 4.5s. He's a thumper though and he's got better recognition skills than Ernie Sims, with whom he's often compared. He reminds me of Will Witherspoon, a guy that isn't great on his own but can be very effective in the right scheme and next to a good MLB.

I like Hankerson of the guys you listed. He's finally healthy and he's very strong, plus he's been limited by a lousy QB. Tolliver is not an NFL talent--he can't catch the ball. Salas is intriguing but he needs work on his routes, probably needs a year or two before he's more than a limited role player. He's not a return guy in the NFL. I'm indifferent on Binns; sometimes he excites me, sometimes I don't see anything. I need to watch more of Cincy this year to get a better educated impression.

One guy I would like in the 3rd/4th round is Jeff Fuller of Texas A&M. He had a monster game yesterday once he finally got a QB that can throw a midrange ball. He's similar to Burleson in that he changes speeds very well to get separation, but he has that extra gear to get open deep. Tough kid, good football IQ. He'll be a better NFL player than college player a la Mike Wallace or Vincent Jackson.
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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#25 » by Piston Pete » Mon Nov 1, 2010 6:47 pm

Any middle round safeties (rounds 2-4) we should keep our eye on?
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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#26 » by kellmellus50 » Thu Nov 4, 2010 12:32 pm

Leonard Hankerson, Miami (Fla.) WR we should pick in mid to late round 1 but trade down first and get an extra pick in round 2

Quote:I like Hankerson of the guys you listed. He's finally healthy and he's very strong, plus he's been limited by a lousy QB. I agree

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Post#27 » by Piston Pete » Thu Nov 4, 2010 10:35 pm

I think that after all the early entry WRs opt into the draft, we might be able to draft Hankerson in the 3rd/4th round....

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Post#28 » by ElectricMayhem » Fri Nov 5, 2010 1:03 pm

Assuming we gel and get a few more breaks in the 2nd half, I assume we'll move out of Patterson territory if we drop to somewhere around pick 10? If that's the case, would you expect Von Miller or Prince Amakura to be the pick?

As a Spartan fan, I'd love it if Greg Jones somehow dropped to us in the 2nd round.
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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#29 » by kellmellus50 » Sat Nov 6, 2010 2:56 pm

2011 mock draft at 7th pick to replace Backus

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Gabe Carimi, OL, Wisconsin
Carimi is a mauler that will open up holes in the running game and is a solid presence against the pass rush. He can play either left or right tackle.


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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#30 » by Piston Pete » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:55 pm

I think our priority should be to build up the talent on the overall team (defense especially). I don't think we've reached the point where we can use 1st rounders to replace starters just because....
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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#31 » by TSE » Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:23 pm

Indeed, Backus has one year left on his contract so we need to trade him for something or figure out a replacement before the 2012 opener hits. And I have seen several OTs tossed around as the best, not exactly encouraging for taking one of the top choices with a high pick if they might not have a lot of separation in overall value. Right now I can't see a better choice than drafting Petersen or Prince or trading down if neither are available.
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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#32 » by Icness » Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:32 pm

If you think Jeff Backus struggles at LT against speed, Carimi will make him look like Orlando Pace in his prime. He's a run-blocking specialist RT. Demarcus Love of Arkansas is of a similar vein but a little better with his kick step. IMO there's not a 1st round LT in this draft except maybe Costanzo from BC, who I need to watch more of. Derrick Sherrod of Miss. St. is going to be a top 15 pick but I'm not sold on him higher than about 30 as of now.

Von Miller is almost a carbon copy of Julian Peterson when he came out. Top 5 is a bit high but he's the kind of guy I would trade up to get in the 8-12 range. That costs a 2012 1st, which is worth it only if you believe the Lions are going to pick at 20 or later in that draft. I'd do it, not sure if Mayhew would though. I've seen a lot of Miller this year and he's really impressed me at how much he has improved his game outside of rushing the passer. He had a nasty ankle injury and he learned to play with his hands and head instead of just being quick/fast. Run defense has markedly improved and so has his play recognition and reading keys. He can play that hybrid DE/OLB like Orakpo or Kiwanuka; LB on base downs, DE with freedom in nickle package.

I'm actually watching LSU/Arkansas right now and Peterson looks great, but he does give up some plays in trying to make plays. He's easily the best overall cover CB in this draft.
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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#33 » by Piston Pete » Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:51 pm

Draft Peterson with our pick, then look to get the best available LB in the 2nd, or trade back up into the 1st if neccessary.

DE - VB, Avril
DT - Williams, Suh

LB's - Levy, DRAFT PICK, Campbell/Follett/other?

CB's - Houston, Peterson, Smith
S's - Delmas, Spivey


After looking at the above, we may need to take another LBer in the middle rounds of the draft and hope he can be productive for us relatively soon.
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Post#34 » by Piston Pete » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:46 pm

Any way OLB Bruce Carter falls to us in the 2nd round?
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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#35 » by Bartender » Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:57 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Any way OLB Bruce Carter falls to us in the 2nd round?


I'd say it's a possibility. And don't forget free agency and trades. Most of our new starters this year came in trades, so I don't Mayhew stopping his magic this off season, either. What we get in FA could very well dictate how we draft.
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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#36 » by Piston Pete » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:41 pm

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Piston Pete wrote:Any way OLB Bruce Carter falls to us in the 2nd round?


I'd say it's a possibility. And don't forget free agency and trades. Most of our new starters this year came in trades, so I don't Mayhew stopping his magic this off season, either. What we get in FA could very well dictate how we draft.


If we could stand pat and end up with Patrick Peterson in the 1st, and Bruce Carter in the 2nd -- that would be BEYOND AWESOME!

I'm leaning toward us needing to trade up into the late 1st to get Carter. In that case, would you rather we trade up for him, or stand pat for Ayers in the 2nd?
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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#37 » by Icness » Fri Dec 3, 2010 6:38 pm

I'm a little wary of Carter. Actually I'm wary of all those UNC defenders. Let's just say Butch Davis isn't noted for running a very demanding ship and a lot of players that come from that atmosphere really struggle in the transition.

Having said that, I do like Carter as a fit at the Sam backer for the Lions. He's not a pass rusher and not a super-speedy guy, but he's smart and I don't know if I've ever seen him miss a tackle. Real fundamentally sound football player, the kind of guy that doesn't "wow" you but lets those around him stand out and makes everyone around him better. If he's there in the early 30s he's definitely worth the pick IMO.

Example: There was a play in the NCSU game where they ran a RB wheel route outside a fake TE screen. Carter was lined up over the TE and got a quick read on it. Instead of trying to get outside and do everything himself, he blasted the hell out of the TE, which allowed the safety to fly outside and break up the pass. If Carter doesn't disrupt the deception, the safety gets caught inside and shallow and it's an easy sideline throw for a long gain. It's a play we all saw Ernie Sims fail to make, and this guy does it instinctively.
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Re: Review of the 2010 draft,are you happy? 

Post#38 » by Piston Pete » Fri Dec 3, 2010 8:53 pm

Interesting, thanks for that Iceness.

So let me ask you.

If given the choice between trading back up into the late 1st to select Carter, or standing pat and getting Ayers in the 2nd....which would you do if you were the Lions?
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Post#39 » by ajaX82 » Fri Dec 3, 2010 11:44 pm

I decided that since we were using the 2010 review thread as a looking forward thread now, that i would change the name of it and sticky it.

When we get closer to the actual draft we can have lots of threads about prospects and stuff, but for now during the season lets try and keep it here shall we?

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Post#40 » by ajaX82 » Fri Dec 3, 2010 11:47 pm

And i will throw Ice a question as well....is Luck really this ridiculously good? Every scouting site i read just flat out loves the kid. Some are saying the best prospect to come around ever! Is this a little hyperbole or is Andrew Luck really the next big thing at QB?

Since i live nowhere near Cali, i have never actually seen him play, live or on TV. What QB does he compare best to right now?

I know we are certainly not drafting him, but his hype is interesting.

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