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Re: Bill Laimbeer? 

Post#21 » by Klomp » Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:25 am

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Klomp wrote:This is waaaaaaaaaay to early to think we'll make coaching changes. We all know this team is tied to Rubio, and I don't think any sudden changes will be made until after hes here.


If the team's fortunes really are directly linked to Ricky Rubio, wouldn't it be a good idea to have a coach whose system doesn't diminish the contributions of the Point Guard?

Tell me how it diminishes the PG contributions.
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Re: Bill Laimbeer? 

Post#22 » by AQuintus » Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:41 am

Klomp wrote:Tell me how it diminishes the PG contributions.


It spreads out the ball handling and shot creating duties across the whole team and forces the PG to play more off the ball.

That's not a big deal with some Points, but Rubio's a guy whose main contributions to a basketball team are is ball handling skills, court vision, and ability to distribute the basketball.

I'm sure Rubio can play in the Triangle offense, and he can probably even be effective, but if Rubio is going to be the center piece of the team, we should be using a system that allows him to maximize his strengths (like system Phoenix uses with Nash or the one that New Orleans uses with Paul).

[Edit:] I'm no expert on NBA offenses or the Triangle, but from what I understand, it's been so successful with the Lakers and the Bulls because it forces opposing defenses to guard the whole team instead of focusing in on one guy (Jordan and Kobe). For the Wolves and Rubio, though, we don't want the opposing team to focus on the whole team. We want the opposing team to lock in on Rubio so that he can use his amazing court vision and passing ability to get the ball to open teammates.
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Re: Bill Laimbeer? 

Post#23 » by Rodeo Clown » Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:41 am

Klomp wrote:This is waaaaaaaaaay to early to think we'll make coaching changes. We all know this team is tied to Rubio, and I don't think any sudden changes will be made until after hes here.

Really? The team is an embarrassment right now. They're not even competitive.

Rambis has already played the effort card and the season is like 2 weeks old. He's had a year+ now to show he could coach and hasn't shown anything.

And the "Wait for Jonny and Martell!" stuff is such garbage. They shouldn't be getting blown out like this.

I'll be stunned if Rambis makes it to New Year's.
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Post#24 » by Klomp » Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:09 am

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Klomp wrote:Tell me how it diminishes the PG contributions.


It spreads out the ball handling and shot creating duties across the whole team and forces the PG to play more off the ball.

That's not a big deal with some Points, but Rubio's a guy whose main contributions to a basketball team are is ball handling skills, court vision, and ability to distribute the basketball.

I'm sure Rubio can play in the Triangle offense, and he can probably even be effective, but if Rubio is going to be the center piece of the team, we should be using a system that allows him to maximize his strengths (like system Phoenix uses with Nash or the one that New Orleans uses with Paul).

[Edit:] I'm no expert on NBA offenses or the Triangle, but from what I understand, it's been so successful with the Lakers and the Bulls because it forces opposing defenses to guard the whole team instead of focusing in on one guy (Jordan and Kobe). For the Wolves and Rubio, though, we don't want the opposing team to focus on the whole team. We want the opposing team to lock in on Rubio so that he can use his amazing court vision and passing ability to get the ball to open teammates.

Rubio is used to playing off ball. I believe thats somewhat common overseas. Rubio is not someone who will dribble the time off the clock.
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Re: Bill Laimbeer? 

Post#25 » by Klomp » Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:11 am

Rodeo Clown wrote:I'll be stunned if Rambis makes it to New Year's.

I'd be stunned if he doesn't.
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Re: Bill Laimbeer? 

Post#26 » by Esohny » Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:15 am

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Rodeo Clown wrote:I'll be stunned if Rambis makes it to New Year's.

I'd be stunned if he doesn't.


Yes, whether you hate Rambis or not, I think it's EXTREMELY unlikely he's fired midseason.
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Post#27 » by Rodeo Clown » Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:16 am

Klomp wrote:I'd be stunned if he doesn't.

You think management is going to sit around as the Wolves get destroyed by 20 every night while proclaiming better days are coming because Jonny Flynn (who was terrible last season) and Martell Webster (a historically inconsistent SF the team is trying to shoehorn in at SG) are coming back?
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Post#28 » by AQuintus » Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:17 am

Klomp wrote:Rubio is used to playing off ball. I believe thats somewhat common overseas. Rubio is not someone who will dribble the time off the clock.


Yeah, he plays off the ball quite a bit for Barcelona, but they aren't maximizing his talents either. That team's offense is built around JCN. He's effective in the Barcelona offense, just like I'm sure that he'd be effective here in the Triangle, but he'd be better for both teams if he's allowed to have the ball in his hands directing traffic like Nash and Paul.

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Yes, whether you hate Rambis or not, I think it's EXTREMELY unlikely he's fired midseason.


Somethings going to have to give. If the team doesn't make some significant improvements soon, fan attendance will plummet. When that happens, some kind of changes will be made, and getting rid of the coach is easier than getting rid of upper management and both are easier than getting rid of players.
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Re: Bill Laimbeer? 

Post#29 » by fleet40 » Tue Nov 9, 2010 3:51 am

Twolves98 wrote:If Laimbeer is such a good coach. Why can't we make a shot in the post?


Sadly Laimbeer is still the better shooter at his age then any of the bigs on this roster. A coach can teach, but the player has to put the ball in the basket.

I would wager Laimbeer, Kareem, Hakeem, Ewing, and Duncan could spend a summer with him showing him all their moves and tricks. And Darko would still probably only get marginally better on the offensive end.

He is what he is.
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Re: Bill Laimbeer? 

Post#30 » by AQuintus » Tue Nov 9, 2010 3:55 am

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Sadly Laimbeer is still the better shooter at his age then any of the bigs on this roster. A coach can teach, but the player has to put the ball in the basket.

I would wager Laimbeer, Kareem, Hakeem, Ewing, and Duncan could spend a summer with him showing him all their moves and tricks. And Darko would still probably only get marginally better on the offensive end.

He is what he is.


Speaking of Hakeem, has anyone else seen how good of shape he's in in his video working with Dwight. Honestly, I'm only half joking when I say that we should sign him to be our backup.
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Re: Bill Laimbeer? 

Post#31 » by shangrila » Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:36 am

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shangrila wrote:I think if the axe came mid-season Theus would be step up. He's the only one on the staff with NBA head coaching experience and while he wasn't very good he could at least hold down the fort until we go someone better. Preferably someone like Mike Budenholzer, Kelvin Sampson or anyone that has never worked for the Lakers.

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Post#32 » by Spider156 » Tue Nov 9, 2010 8:24 am

You guys are lucky to have Laimbeer. I would love to have him as an assistant coach. I love Bill Laimbeer. His passion for basketball is out of the roof. He's a great guy when he's on your side but the worst when he's on the opposite. If you guys don't want him, we'll happily take him from you guys. Maybe he could teach our players how to have feeling in the game and integrity to win.
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Re: Bill Laimbeer? 

Post#33 » by Dewey » Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:36 pm

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Klomp wrote:This is waaaaaaaaaay to early to think we'll make coaching changes. We all know this team is tied to Rubio, and I don't think any sudden changes will be made until after hes here.

Really? The team is an embarrassment right now. They're not even competitive.

Rambis has already played the effort card and the season is like 2 weeks old. He's had a year+ now to show he could coach and hasn't shown anything.

And the "Wait for Jonny and Martell!" stuff is such garbage. They shouldn't be getting blown out like this.

I'll be stunned if Rambis makes it to New Year's.

I agree ... Kahn is already trying to buy more time as things continue to unravel and safe to assume he is worried. Right now we going to be forced to burn assets for survival rather than opportunities to excel. Sad to say, Rambis doesn't know what he doesn't know ...
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Post#34 » by urinesane » Tue Nov 9, 2010 11:38 pm

Seriously? You guys are sad, I'm really getting sick of the knee jerk reactions fans have. The team is rebuilding and are less than 10 games into the season, have some **** patience.
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Re: Bill Laimbeer? 

Post#35 » by john2jer » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:01 pm

urinesane wrote:Seriously? You guys are sad, I'm really getting sick of the knee jerk reactions fans have. The team is rebuilding and are less than 10 games into the season, have some **** patience.


This.

When has Glen Taylor ever come across as having a short leash? Never. And Kahn and Rambis are pretty much tied together. If Kahn fires Rambis then Kahn looks like a failure. To assume either are fired before the end of the season is just a stupid thought. Now maybe one or both DESERVE to be fired, which I disagree with, but to say, "I'd be stunned if he isn't fired", that just shows you haven't been paying attention.

And just because Rubio is "used to" playing off the ball in Europe, doesn't mean it's what is best for his game and the Wolves. Rubio HAS to be used very much in a similar sense to Kidd/Nash in that they're setting others up. Rubio can't just sit in the corner. At this point I have to assume Rambis won't do that.
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Post#36 » by Krapinsky » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:12 pm

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