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Re: Boston-Miami/TNT/8PM 

Post#1301 » by thecrowning » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pm

BronBron06 wrote:Despite this latest reverse following Tuesday's defeat to Utah, Miami head coach Erik Spoelstra said there was no cause for alarm yet.

"We are not hitting the panic button by any stretch of imagination. If you were to go back a game and a half ago you would say we were mentally and physically very tough," he told reporters.

"We are not going to over-react but we are very aware the last game and a half of what happened but we will be the ones who will fix it," he said.

Indeed Spoelstra believes that come the end of the 82 game regular season, his team will look back on this period as a learning period.

"Probably at the end of the day, you get to March, April this is probably something that will benefit us.

"I know a lot of people maybe thought it was going to happen seamlessly... but you need to face adversity, you need to stumble, to feel this pain, to be able to respond and grow.

"In this last 48 hours they are getting to know each other, this is good, this is what makes you stronger," he said.



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I agreed with him, but hear me out.

They will get better this way, teams always do, unless the players are all Starbury-esque selfish pricks.

If you look at the past 9 games.

Lebron became better and better, he is the first one that made the adjustment, no one can deny that. Turnovers are down, he is getting more and more comfortable, and became more efficient when he is not the focal point of the offense.

Bosh is also getting better offensively despite being put in a very difficult situation with a JA or a Haslem next to him. I compare this to Larry Hughes, when he has to play with Eric Snow (who is obviously a bad fit. Difference is, Larry Hughes fail to adjust even in the slightest sense, and eventually quit from the team concept entirely.

Wade on the otherhand is the one now learning to make the adjustment. He had it easy earlier when Lebron is deferring, now, like this game, when he is not the focal point, he struggles to do the dirty work with restrain. But this is only natural because he missed camp, and he is just as great as Bron, he will come around.

So, eventually, this team will feature Bron & Wade as 1/2 or 2/1 punch on any given night, and Bosh will always be the 3rd barring matchup. I am not too worried. If you look at their PER, there's a trend of regression to the mean. Lebron started ard 15, now up to 24. Wade began ridiculously high at 30, now back to 23, Bosh was low at 12, now back to 18. These are good numbers and balance, and it slowly shows a balancing of talent usage.

I hate to always compare Spo with MB, but they are just too similar like they are twins. This is a new team, and they have not been in battle together too long, so every opponent they face, they havn't have that common hate yet. But that will come around when they lose more. This is just like the 2nd year of MB in Cavs, when he keep playing Snow & Hughes together...the players reaction is identical in their body language to these Heats, its almost like bottled up fury because they can't do what they think would work best, but keep implementing ridiculous stuff because they want to win.

What happened then? Snow got injured, and Gibson was forced into the lineup, and wala...everyone plays with passion again and got to the finals.

It is a similar situation except, MB is having it wrong in 1 spot, Spo had 2. But it does not matter, losing early together and adversity is always good for chemistry.

BUT! What Erik Spoelstra is wrong at.....tada.....HE IS PART OF THE ADVERSITY THAT THIS TEAM IS FIGHTING AGAINST
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Re: Boston-Miami/TNT/8PM 

Post#1302 » by rkcHEAT » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pm

I for one like the idea mentioned earlier of giving Dexter Pittman some burn. We might as well give him some time to develop. The results can't be any worse than what we presently showcase as our center rotation which = 0 with the exception of possibly Z.
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Re: Boston-Miami/TNT/8PM 

Post#1303 » by HIF » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:31 pm

My impressions

Boston had passion from the get go we had none until the 4th

Wade had a terrible game in every area of his game - one of his worst ever IMO

Ray allen was pretty good.

A poor loss for the Heat I expected better.
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Post#1304 » by MarioMega » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:41 pm

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hammel123 wrote:as an outsider, fascinating to watch.. I think everyone underestimated how challenging it would be to get Wade to accept a second option type of role, which is needed to get this team really moving. His mentality is he is still number one, where clearly LeBron is the best player in the league. Ironically, it's Lebron who feels he has to adjust

Will Wade be able to accept a secondary role within the offense and more importantly when the plays do not go through him, will he commit to do the little things, play defense and rebound? With Jordan and Pippen there never was a question of who's number one. In this case Wade's 29 and been unquestionable leader of this team for the past few years. He'll have to reprogram his mind to the days when he came into the league and was playing off Shaq. But he was a rookie then, will his ego be able to handle it now?


The difference between LeBron's and Wade's FGA is 2. Yet Wade is scoring 7 more points. Lebron is handling the ball much more than Wade. I think Wade as the primary scoring option and Lebron as the facilitator would work, but the right infrastructure isn't there to get things working yet.


Wade is scoring 1.8 points per game more than Lebron, but Wade have more FGs per game.

Lebron is putting almost 9 assists, Wade 3.

And Lebron is the better defender, look at Rondo's comments.
Wade can't guard Allen, 35 points.

I agree with you, Lebron is simply the better player, Wade will have to defer, there is nothing he can do about it.
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Post#1305 » by RapsGirl » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:59 pm

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I know im gonna get flamed for making a comment on this board but that right there is the patented Chris Bosh "No way im contesting anything this early and getting quick fouls which will limit my minutes played.. Gotta get that 20/10 by the end of the night" move. Lord knows i saw it 100000x times.


seriously? you think that's the same approach he's taking in Miami? where he's not asked to carry any offensive load? highly doubt it.

how about he's probably thinking.....the minute i commit to stopping Rondo, KG's gonna get the pass b/c nobody's even close enough to rotate to him.....and it will just be another dunk. Rondo didn't commit to that dunk until he got to the restricted area.

for better or worse, Bosh is not going to take those kinds of risks defensively. call it what you want, but if he contests the shot, Rondo was still gonna dunk it on him....or pass it to KG for the dunk. or worse, he would've been called for the foul while Rondo STILL got the dunk.

why was the lane so open in the first place? why would Ilgauskas shade to the left even though Rondo was clearly dribbling to his right.

eh, whatever. blame it on him b/c he's the last line of defense.
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Post#1306 » by Dekadez » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:01 pm

Slo wrote:
CB1992 wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPZnGf2X-pw&feature=sub[/youtube]

come at me bro


I know im gonna get flamed for making a comment on this board but that right there is the patented Chris Bosh "No way im contesting anything this early and getting quick fouls which will limit my minutes played.. Gotta get that 20/10 by the end of the night" move. Lord knows i saw it 100000x times.


I agree and disagree with you on that one. Contesting Rondo his dunk would probably result in Bosh grabbing an unnecessary foul. When someone comes soaring in like that, you let them soar and be done with it, unless you've got the kind of body and tenacity to stop that person right in his tracks, something Bosh lacks.
But okay, Rondo is Rondo. Bosh should've been able to halt the kid right there. It reminds me of Tayshaun prince shying away from Lebron his dunk in the playoffs, can't remember which year. But that's Lebron steamrolling your face there, not Rondo.
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Re: Boston-Miami/TNT/8PM 

Post#1307 » by thecrowning » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:01 pm

RapsGirl wrote:
Slo wrote:
I know im gonna get flamed for making a comment on this board but that right there is the patented Chris Bosh "No way im contesting anything this early and getting quick fouls which will limit my minutes played.. Gotta get that 20/10 by the end of the night" move. Lord knows i saw it 100000x times.


seriously? you think that's the same approach he's taking in Miami? where he's not asked to carry any offensive load? highly doubt it.

how about he's probably thinking.....the minute i commit to stopping Rondo, KG's gonna get the pass b/c nobody's even close enough to rotate to him.....and it will just be another dunk. Rondo didn't commit to that dunk until he got to the restricted area.

for better or worse, Bosh is not going to take those kinds of risks defensively. call it what you want, but if he contests the shot, Rondo was still gonna dunk it on him....or pass it to KG for the dunk. or worse, he would've been called for the foul while Rondo STILL got the dunk.

why was the lane so open in the first place? why would Ilgauskas shade to the left even though Rondo was clearly dribbling to his right.

eh, whatever. blame it on him b/c he's the last line of defense.


This is exactly correct. Exactly what one would think when you watch that play again considering the spacing and put yourself in Bosh shoes.
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Re: Boston-Miami/TNT/8PM 

Post#1308 » by HIF » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:02 pm

We lost both games against the Celtics because Wade had bad games. Wade is the difference maker on the team. Lebron will be facilitator and Wade will be killer when we get it sorted.
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Post#1309 » by Dekadez » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:03 pm

HIF wrote:We lost both games against the Celtics because Wade had bad games. Wade is the difference maker on the team. Lebron will be facilitator and Wade will be killer when we get it sorted.


Wrong. The Heat would've won if Wade played the kind of game Lebron plays when Wade himself is scoring in the 30's and carrying the load. If Wade would've sunk 20'ish points and played the game he's supposed to be playing, it would be a done deal.

People are so adamant about a black/white distribution of basketball roles. Wade HAS to be the only scorer, Lebron HAS to be the only facilitator. Both of them have shown that they both have the talent to combine both roles, and to switch from one to the other, depending on the game/mood of their counterparts.
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Re: Boston-Miami/TNT/8PM 

Post#1310 » by HIF » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:05 pm

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HIF wrote:We lost both games against the Celtics because Wade had bad games. Wade is the difference maker on the team. Lebron will be facilitator and Wade will be killer when we get it sorted.


Wrong. The Heat would've won if Wade played the kind of game Lebron plays when Wade himself is scoring in the 30's. If Wade would've sunk 20'ish points and played the game he's supposed to be playing, it would be a done deal.


That's what I said (obviously a real Belgian) Wade had bad games and we lost - he is the difference maker.
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Post#1311 » by Dekadez » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:08 pm

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Dekadez wrote:
HIF wrote:We lost both games against the Celtics because Wade had bad games. Wade is the difference maker on the team. Lebron will be facilitator and Wade will be killer when we get it sorted.


Wrong. The Heat would've won if Wade played the kind of game Lebron plays when Wade himself is scoring in the 30's. If Wade would've sunk 20'ish points and played the game he's supposed to be playing, it would be a done deal.


That's what I said (obviously a real Belgian) Wade had bad games and we lost - he is the difference maker.


You're jumping to the wrong conclusion. If Lebron went 8/3/1 in any of the other games, the Heat would've probably lost too.

Is Lebron the difference maker then? Hard to make out, he simply hasn't been as lethargic as Wade in the 2 Boston games.

Being Belgian has nothing to do with it...
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Post#1312 » by thecrowning » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:08 pm

HIF wrote:We lost both games against the Celtics because Wade had bad games. Wade is the difference maker on the team. Lebron will be facilitator and Wade will be killer when we get it sorted.


Unfortunately, this game shows exactly the opposite, that Wade needs to adapt and play with better restrain. If he did that today, the result might be very different.

The thing I truly don't understand is that why everyone is so keen on making Wade a scorer and Bron the faciliator. They need to set Roles for the "role" players, but these are 2 most dynamic players in the league, you don't make them this and that, don't turn Lebron into Jason Kidd, and Wade into an Iverson. They need to be a dynamic duo, to learn to co-exist being a scorer and facilitator and stopper all at the same time when both are on the court.
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Post#1313 » by HIF » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:11 pm

hahaha.

Wade is the best player in the World.

You noob bandwagoners can have your field day on that one too.
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Post#1314 » by Dekadez » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:13 pm

HIF wrote:hahaha.

Wade is the best player in the World.

You noob bandwagoners can have your field day on that one too.


Sigh, great arguments right there. If you can't be bothered to discuss this normally, then gtfo. If you can show me why Wade would be the clear difference maker on this team, using logical and correct arguments, then why would I have any problem with that?

The point is you don't, or you can't, and that's why I don't agree with you. But seeing you're just a clueless Wade nuthugger, I shouldn't expect anything but fallacies coming from you.
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Post#1315 » by thecrowning » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:17 pm

HIF wrote:hahaha.

Wade is the best player in the World.

You noob bandwagoners can have your field day on that one too.


That's why whatever you say defending Spoelstra hold no water. It has nothing to do with who's better than who. It is simply that you don't want to set roles for dynamic players, don't underutilize their complete package. This will also be true even if Wade is better than Lebron. I don't argue that kinda stuff, sorry.

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Post#1316 » by HIF » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:17 pm

what's to discuss ?

Wade is the man .
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Post#1317 » by MarioMega » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:44 pm

Yes, and Spo is the best coach of the world, right????

STFO, you're embarassing yourself.
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Post#1318 » by Nupe_1911 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:45 pm

HIF wrote:hahaha.

Wade is the best player in the World.

You noob bandwagoners can have your field day on that one too.



You are finally right about something.

Now, I just need to get you to resign Eric :lol:
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Post#1319 » by DWadeno3 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:48 pm

Dekadez wrote:
HIF wrote:hahaha.

Wade is the best player in the World.

You noob bandwagoners can have your field day on that one too.


Sigh, great arguments right there. If you can't be bothered to discuss this normally, then gtfo. If you can show me why Wade would be the clear difference maker on this team, using logical and correct arguments, then why would I have any problem with that?

The point is you don't, or you can't, and that's why I don't agree with you. But seeing you're just a clueless Wade nuthugger, I shouldn't expect anything but fallacies coming from you.


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Re: Boston-Miami/TNT/8PM 

Post#1320 » by HIF » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:49 pm

an FYI - Nupe and Mega and crowning you're all on my ignore list - can't see your posts, so feel free to do the same with me.
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