Beasley: Could He Reach Melo Level or Close To It?

[NoLayupRule]

This is why I'm starting to ignore reading this board anymore.

Yep

[Quentin]

He didn't get to the line alot because his shots were falling. It's not like he can't go to the hole. He shot 55%.

He went to the line 10 times in is 42 point game. He doesn't get any star calls right now ...like Kobe does. When we played the Lakers, we were getting foul calls just for looking at Kobe.

But hey, reason on this board doesn't seem to work for 80% of the posters here. Nice try though.

[Justdatdude]

People do know comparisons of how a player play actually has to do with how a player play and not how their accomplishments stack up to others, correct? Magic Johnson is a Hall Of Famer. Best point guard of all time. Lebron, a kid coming out of highschool was being compared to Magic. It doesn't matter if Lebron never stepped foot in the NBA. That is who his game was similar too. Stop with this nonsense of "its to early to compare the two". Its not. You can watch a player play and say who their game reminds you of. That has nothing to do with the level of play they reach, but exactly on how their games are similar. Watch how Beasley operate inside the arc. Everything he does is a spitting image of Carmelo, except he's left handed. Carmelo is better than Beasley right now because he established himself as a superstar already. There is no denying that. But every single thing Melo does, Beasley do. Its like watching the same player. How can you deny that is beyond me. Beasley is still young. This is his first time being the man. Of course he's not going to be putting up 25 ppg like Melo.

How is it to early to compare Beasley to Melo, when we have topics talking about Gallo reminds people of Pierce and Dirk?

[nyknicks2k2]

3/4th of the people in this very forum find said topics laughable, (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and completely nonsensical. If we're going by the logic that "it was brought up as far as Gallo goes so what's the problem?" then I don't see the problem with people thinking it's far to early to make such a comparison.

[St Knick]

beasley being melo caliber? thats a stretch

however, i do agree with the overall sentiment that he can be a good player in this league. he didn't seem to fit in with what the heat were doing. he strikes me as a guy that need to have offense run through him. might be destined to be one of those guys who puts up great stats for bad teams... wait, is that a good thing?!?!

[magnumt]

He actually reminded me of Al Harrington last night. Especially when he was launching 3's as soon as they made their way down.

If Love didn't go off like he did, they would've lost that Game and Beasley would've "got his" but be frowned upon as a chucker.

--Mags

[Quentin]

beasley being melo caliber? thats a stretch

however, i do agree with the overall sentiment that he can be a good player in this league. he didn't seem to fit in with what the heat were doing. he strikes me as a guy that need to have offense run through him. might be destined to be one of those guys who puts up great stats for bad teams... wait, is that a good thing?!?!

...and if Beasley were on your team, you'd be singing a different tune. Lose your homer glasses and gain some perspective.

[TKF]

Can't believe people are trying to downplay this to such a major extent. I'm not a Beas fan and his hair looks (Please Use More Appropriate Word) (I know, random) but it was a very very good game for him. Back to back games actually. I would agree that comparing to Melo may be a bit to much (at least for now) but it's obvious that he has some potential there. Moving to a team that would give him freedom is huge for him. Not just because he gets to shoot more often but because it allows him to see what works for him as a top option and gives him a huge confidence boost when games like this happens. It was a needed move.

yea, I guess when you look at it, 29 shots to get 35 points doesn't seem good, but he did shoot a high% can't deny that.. I mean, 50% is 50%.. but looking at the game, I also saw some airballs, clanks and just forced shots.. it is not the 16 he made, but the 13 he missed were just some head scratchers...

good game for beasley.. I just think the guy is a bum.. Personally I think he is a confused dope. he shows flashes of being a good scorer, but the guy is a mental midget, lets keep an eye on him, I think you will see more duds than anything..

but yes, when you look at it, really can't argue with 50%.. but beasley the player? I think very little of him....

[TKF]

He actually reminded me of Al Harrington last night. Especially when he was launching 3's as soon as they made their way down.

If Love didn't go off like he did, they would've lost that Game and Beasley would've "got his" but be frowned upon as a chucker.

--Mags

exactly.. he had more harrington to his game than melo.. that is for sure... if not for love, they lose and it is another volume shooting effort in a loss for beasley... but hey.. lets give him his CREDIT... because it is the in thing to be down on the knicks now, and we would seem like homers not to say how great beasley is....

[Flaming Mo]

Melo level?! Come on guys, does it take 2 games these days to be on superstar level?!

Credit to Beasley for shredding the Knicks and Gallinari and Sacramento the game before but hey, he is the only real option on a horrible team and of course he will score. We all knew he is a talented scorer but this game is no indication of how good or bad he is as we have seen players shred the Knicks for years now. Please put things in perspective.

[Deeeez Knicks]

The Knicks make everyone look like superstars. It looked like the Lakers moved back to Minny for awhile out there.

[magnumt]

Melo level?! Come on guys, does it take 2 games these days to be on superstar level?!

Credit to Beasley for shredding the Knicks and Gallinari and Sacramento the game before but hey, he is the only real option on a horrible team and of course he will score. We all knew he is a talented scorer but this game is no indication of how good or bad he is as we have seen players shred the Knicks for years now. Please put things in perspective.

Up until the 4th when Love went off, I don't think Beasley shredded Gallo at all.

Infact, if you go back and look a the 1st 3 Quarters, Gallo got Beasley into foul trouble twice! Gallo also was leading the Game in scoring too until the 3rd.

Why D'Antoni took Gallo out for so long is dumb IMO.

--Mags

[TKF]

Melo level?! Come on guys, does it take 2 games these days to be on superstar level?!

Credit to Beasley for shredding the Knicks and Gallinari and Sacramento the game before but hey, he is the only real option on a horrible team and of course he will score. We all knew he is a talented scorer but this game is no indication of how good or bad he is as we have seen players shred the Knicks for years now. Please put things in perspective.

Up until the 4th when Love went off, I don't think Beasley shredded Gallo at all.

Infact, if you go back and look a the 1st 3 Quarters, Gallo got Beasley into foul trouble twice! Gallo also was leading the Game in scoring too until the 3rd.

Why D'Antoni took Gallo out for so long is dumb IMO.

--Mags

exactly.. and in the second half, chandler was on beasley a lot. even chandler said, he didn't do a good job stopping beasley.. who IMO took a lot of shots that on another night I don't think most go in. but whatever..

[TheBluest]

Beasleyis a dope.. hehad a 42 pt game the other night as well.. the guy likes to shoot and he can score.. but 35 points on 29 shots is not good... He is really not a good defender and doesn't play with great court awareness.. check back 15 games from now when beasley is chucking shots and missing and losing games for the wolves..

chandler is a different player.. in that chandler doesn't have beasley's offensive talent, but chandler is more of a two way player, he will impact the game in different ways..

beasley is not in melo's universe... if it was too early to say chandler's game has evloved, well certainly we can say the same thing about beasley after a couple of good games.. especially comparing him to melo..

Oh I know Chandler is the better two way player. Hes the better defender and shot blocker. But Beasley was making moves Chandler couldnt dream of. All Im saying is he looked like Melo last night. Whether he keep it up remains to be seen, but IDK why some of you guys are getting so defensive. Had Gallo or Chandler scored like him we would be jumping for joy. Again it was how he was scoring that was special to me. Now we're using the PPS against him? Justdatdude explains it pretty well.

I remember that discussion and it was during the playoffs. Everyone blamed Beasley for Miami failing, but me and you kept saying how he's not a #2 player, and how Wade lesser the impact of the other options around him. No one was buying that at that time. The main story was Beasley sucks, Gallinari is better, and Beasley is better.

I also been made the Beasley to Melo comparison. Forget about who is better, the way they play basketball on the offensive end is similar. They both have the tools to score from anywhere on the court, the quickness to get by many wing players, and the strength to score on the smaller players. On offense, there is no move they don't have. He dominated college and was the 2nd pick. Don't let his play next to Dwade fool you. He didn't get a real opportunity in Miami. He's just now getting his chance to show what he can do as the #1 option.

Last, but not least, how is Beasley 35 points on 29 shots not good? Is it because he didn't get to the freethrow line? Everyone who watched the game seen he attacked the basket and the refs were stingy all night, as Clyde constantly pointed out. He still shot over 50% from the field. Can someone explain this to me?

Thank you. Its funny how some of these cats think I just pulled the comparison out of my ass. Hes been compared to him numerous times. Melo scored 32 on 14-25 shots against the Lakers. He looked great and they beat the best team in the NBA. Are we going to nitpick about his performance? If you dont make alot of threes or get to the line in a particular game then your PPS isnt going to be that good, but how can anyone be saying 50%+ from the field is bad? It was the WAY Beasley scored that prompted me to make the comparison again. He had a great arsenal of moves and no matter who we put on him he scored one on one. His mid range game was wet and was exactly what we needed down the stretch. He just looked like Melo on offense.

The reason I got on Chandler for his PPS was because I thought he was scoring in the same ways as last season. No real skill moves and some of his shots were bad shots that luckily went in. Chandler was only shooting 45% too the first 3 games (42% now) and he faded in every game in crunch time, unlike Beasley did last night. Thats the biggest difference. Beasley played like an offensive go to guy when they needed it the most.

Again people take a chill will pill. Im not saying Beasley is Melo, but if you didnt think he looked like Melo last night then you must be blind because that was a mirror image. Lets see if he keeps it up because he is the number one option now.

TW you should know the rules by now

Gallo can be compared to Dirk

Beasley can't be compared to Melo

BTW as I stated in my first post they aren't quite the same, Beas has a ways to go. Beasley is a different player than I anticipated he would be... probably because playing against College players and their size is totally different once you hit the NBA. He had more of a power game in College like a mix of Blake Griffin meets Kevin Durant.....I'm talking college game. I thought he would transition into a 4 but looks as if he's a 3. Melo plays much more aggressive....Beasley is finesse but they do have similarities in some areas of their games in particular the face up 17ft jumper. I believe some fans were comparing Beasley to Antawn Jamison which I disagree with but he most certainly almost shoots 3s like him but not in any way, shape, or form as crafty as AJ and has better handles overall like a guard. He has a little Wilson Chandler in his game too, but offensively more tuned.

Funny thing is fans were going skies the limit with Gallo on 15ppg/5reb on 11.4FGA/gm 42%fg 38%fg but Beasley as someone who wasn't going to amount to much when they had comparable stats before last season came to conclusion. Beasley is shooting 47% and 40%fg(3pt) on 16.6FGA averaging 20ppp/5reb 5FTA/gm....sorry folks this is pretty good production. There were very few who thought he would show his value and it appears like they could be right.

[TheBluest]

Melo level?! Come on guys, does it take 2 games these days to be on superstar level?!

Credit to Beasley for shredding the Knicks and Gallinari and Sacramento the game before but hey, he is the only real option on a horrible team and of course he will score. We all knew he is a talented scorer but this game is no indication of how good or bad he is as we have seen players shred the Knicks for years now. Please put things in perspective.

Up until the 4th when Love went off, I don't think Beasley shredded Gallo at all.

Infact, if you go back and look a the 1st 3 Quarters, Gallo got Beasley into foul trouble twice! Gallo also was leading the Game in scoring too until the 3rd.

Why D'Antoni took Gallo out for so long is dumb IMO.

--Mags

Beasley had 19 1rst half pts most of them on Gallo but if you think differently go ahead and check Wesley Johnson's productivity as he would have been the alter guarded player. Gallo had about 3 very good defensive exchanges with Beas but after that he was garbage. Beasley was Gallo's 1rst half assignment predominantly and Chandler's second half assignment. Chandler made it tough on him when driving but shooting had all kinds of problems, nevertheless Chandler had 5blks on the night so his defense was showing up somewhere. Fans let too many INDIVIDUAL PLAYS define how a player faired or didn't fair sorry you have to look at the full body of work. There was a reason D'AnToni made the switch in the second half with Chandler, unfortunately it didn't work. More testament of how good Beasley is if he gives 2 solid young players trouble over 4qrts....he's not TITO

[TKF]

Beasleyis a dope.. hehad a 42 pt game the other night as well.. the guy likes to shoot and he can score.. but 35 points on 29 shots is not good... He is really not a good defender and doesn't play with great court awareness.. check back 15 games from now when beasley is chucking shots and missing and losing games for the wolves..

chandler is a different player.. in that chandler doesn't have beasley's offensive talent, but chandler is more of a two way player, he will impact the game in different ways..

beasley is not in melo's universe... if it was too early to say chandler's game has evloved, well certainly we can say the same thing about beasley after a couple of good games.. especially comparing him to melo..

Oh I know Chandler is the better two way player. Hes the better defender and shot blocker. But Beasley was making moves Chandler couldnt dream of. All Im saying is he looked like Melo last night. Whether he keep it up remains to be seen, but IDK why some of you guys are getting so defensive. Had Gallo or Chandler scored like him we would be jumping for joy. Again it was how he was scoring that was special to me. Now we're using the PPS against him? Justdatdude explains it pretty well.

I remember that discussion and it was during the playoffs. Everyone blamed Beasley for Miami failing, but me and you kept saying how he's not a #2 player, and how Wade lesser the impact of the other options around him. No one was buying that at that time. The main story was Beasley sucks, Gallinari is better, and Beasley is better.

I also been made the Beasley to Melo comparison. Forget about who is better, the way they play basketball on the offensive end is similar. They both have the tools to score from anywhere on the court, the quickness to get by many wing players, and the strength to score on the smaller players. On offense, there is no move they don't have. He dominated college and was the 2nd pick. Don't let his play next to Dwade fool you. He didn't get a real opportunity in Miami. He's just now getting his chance to show what he can do as the #1 option.

Last, but not least, how is Beasley 35 points on 29 shots not good? Is it because he didn't get to the freethrow line? Everyone who watched the game seen he attacked the basket and the refs were stingy all night, as Clyde constantly pointed out. He still shot over 50% from the field. Can someone explain this to me?

Thank you. Its funny how some of these cats think I just pulled the comparison out of my ass. Hes been compared to him numerous times. Melo scored 32 on 14-25 shots against the Lakers. He looked great and they beat the best team in the NBA. Are we going to nitpick about his performance? If you dont make alot of threes or get to the line in a particular game then your PPS isnt going to be that good, but how can anyone be saying 50%+ from the field is bad? It was the WAY Beasley scored that prompted me to make the comparison again. He had a great arsenal of moves and no matter who we put on him he scored one on one. His mid range game was wet and was exactly what we needed down the stretch. He just looked like Melo on offense.

The reason I got on Chandler for his PPS was because I thought he was scoring in the same ways as last season. No real skill moves and some of his shots were bad shots that luckily went in. Chandler was only shooting 45% too the first 3 games (42% now) and he faded in every game in crunch time, unlike Beasley did last night. Thats the biggest difference. Beasley played like an offensive go to guy when they needed it the most.

Again people take a chill will pill. Im not saying Beasley is Melo, but if you didnt think he looked like Melo last night then you must be blind because that was a mirror image. Lets see if he keeps it up because he is the number one option now.

TW you should know the rules by now

Gallo can be compared to Dirk

Beasley can't be compared to Melo

BTW as I stated in my first post they aren't quite the same, Beas has a ways to go. Beasley is a different player than I anticipated he would be... probably because playing against College players and their size is totally different once you hit the NBA. He had more of a power game in College like a mix of Blake Griffin meets Kevin Durant.....I'm talking college game. I thought he would transition into a 4 but looks as if he's a 3. Melo plays much more aggressive....Beasley is finesse but they do have similarities in some areas of their games in particular the face up 17ft jumper. I believe some fans were comparing Beasley to Antawn Jamison which I disagree with but he most certainly almost shoots 3s like him but not in any way, shape, or form as crafty as AJ and has better handles overall like a guard. He has a little Wilson Chandler in his game too, but offensively more tuned.

Funny thing is fans were going skies the limit with Gallo on 15ppg/5reb on 11.4FGA/gm 42%fg 38%fg but Beasley as someone who wasn't going to amount to much when they had comparable stats before last season came to conclusion. Beasley is shooting 47% and 40%fg(3pt) on 16.6FGA averaging 20ppp/5reb 5FTA/gm....sorry folks this is pretty good production. There were very few who thought he would show his value and it appears like they could be right.

I figured you would pop up with this type of post.. but honestly, when you compare players, you take more than skill into thought.. it is mental make up as well... gallo is a seemingly stable and smart kid on the court.... beasley is a mental midget and a dope... ones mental make up has a lot to do with the kind of player he can become.. that is why it is laughable to think curry could become another shaq, although he had all the physical ability.. well most of us feel the same way.. Melo is a well grounded , smart basketball player... beasley is a dope, a bafoon, a guy who dyes his hair blond and grows dreads looking like a cross dressing las vegas drag queen.. he is the court jester... so that is why most of us don't feel he is in the same universe melo is in.. I suspect in 20 games or so, minny will be complaining about beasley... He just seems like that type of guy.. I can look in a persons eyes and tell a lot about them sometimes.. when I look at beasley, I see a guy who miami didn't just trade to make room for the big 3, but they had no more interest in that head case regardless...

[HarthorneWingo]

I looks like, to me, that Beasley is playing with a level of confidence I haven't seen from him since college. I actually think he could be better than Melo because Beasley rebounds. As for his past transgressions ... hey, doesn't everybody deserve a second chance? It's what you do with it that counts.

Beasley was very impressive last night.

[TrueWarrior]

I figured you would pop up with this type of post.. but honestly, when you compare players, you take more than skill into thought.. it is mental make up as well... gallo is a seemingly stable and smart kid on the court.... beasley is a mental midget and a dope... ones mental make up has a lot to do with the kind of player he can become.. that is why it is laughable to think curry could become another shaq, although he had all the physical ability.. well most of us feel the same way.. Melo is a well grounded , smart basketball player... beasley is a dope, a bafoon, a guy who dyes his hair blond and grows dreads looking like a cross dressing las vegas drag queen.. he is the court jester... so that is why most of us don't feel he is in the same universe melo is in.. I suspect in 20 games or so, minny will be complaining about beasley... He just seems like that type of guy.. I can look in a persons eyes and tell a lot about them sometimes.. when I look at beasley, I see a guy who miami didn't just trade to make room for the big 3, but they had no more interest in that head case regardless...

This whole post is immature and hate filled. I expect better TKF. Beasley is only 21 years old. Melo was no saint at 21 either. I mean do you remember the brawl for christ sake? Just because Beasley smoked some weed and isnt clean cut doesnt mean hes a bad guy. In fact his teammates supposedly love him. Clyde was saying Kevin Love mentioned Beasley was one of the best locker room guys he played with so far.

Like Hawthorne said, everyone deserves a 2nd chance. You just sound bitter and pissed that he went off on us. Beasley isnt some scrub here. He went to school on us and made All Star shots. He has that ability. Just like Gallo has Dirk/Peja ability. Its all about being consistent. You cant sneeze at back to back 42 and 35 point games in WINS though, no matter who he played. Beasley is going to be very good.

[TKF]

I figured you would pop up with this type of post.. but honestly, when you compare players, you take more than skill into thought.. it is mental make up as well... gallo is a seemingly stable and smart kid on the court.... beasley is a mental midget and a dope... ones mental make up has a lot to do with the kind of player he can become.. that is why it is laughable to think curry could become another shaq, although he had all the physical ability.. well most of us feel the same way.. Melo is a well grounded , smart basketball player... beasley is a dope, a bafoon, a guy who dyes his hair blond and grows dreads looking like a cross dressing las vegas drag queen.. he is the court jester... so that is why most of us don't feel he is in the same universe melo is in.. I suspect in 20 games or so, minny will be complaining about beasley... He just seems like that type of guy.. I can look in a persons eyes and tell a lot about them sometimes.. when I look at beasley, I see a guy who miami didn't just trade to make room for the big 3, but they had no more interest in that head case regardless...

This whole post is immature and hate filled. I expect better TKF. Beasley is only 21 years old. Melo was no saint at 21 either. I mean do you remember the brawl for christ sake? Just because Beasley smoked some weed and isnt clean cut doesnt mean hes a bad guy. In fact his teammates supposedly love him. Clyde was saying Kevin Love mentioned Beasley was one of the best locker room guys he played with so far.

Like Hawthorne said, everyone deserves a 2nd chance. You just sound bitter and pissed that he went off on us. Beasley isnt some scrub here. He went to school on us and made All Star shots. He has that ability. Just like Gallo has Dirk/Peja ability. Its all about being consistent. You cant sneeze at back to back 42 and 34 point games in WINS though, no matter who he played. Beasley is going to be very good.

expect better? really.. that is what you should expect.. that I have standards.. beasley is a dope, a bum, a bafoon.. I don't care if he is 21.. I have standards... of course everyone deserves a second chance, but beasley comes across as a guy who has used up a bunch of second chances..

you think he will be good.. well I don't know what your interpretation of good is, but for me, I have very little expectations from the guy, and would not be suprised if minny dumps him by the trade deadline....


I am not easily impressed with a guy who has a couple of good games.. I watch this guy play and to me, he has a lot of Al harrington in him, another player who is not a favorite of mine on the court as well. the difference is, Al harrington is a pretty bright and decent guy from all accounts...

You just sound bitter and pissed that he went off on us. Beasley isnt some scrub here.

that is such a predictable comment... jeez.. I thought this guy was a bum long before last night...... do I need to go back to the archives?

[TheBluest]

I figured you would pop up with this type of post.. but honestly, when you compare players, you take more than skill into thought.. it is mental make up as well... gallo is a seemingly stable and smart kid on the court.... beasley is a mental midget and a dope... ones mental make up has a lot to do with the kind of player he can become.. that is why it is laughable to think curry could become another shaq, although he had all the physical ability.. well most of us feel the same way.. Melo is a well grounded , smart basketball player... beasley is a dope, a bafoon, a guy who dyes his hair blond and grows dreads looking like a cross dressing las vegas drag queen.. he is the court jester... so that is why most of us don't feel he is in the same universe melo is in.. I suspect in 20 games or so, minny will be complaining about beasley... He just seems like that type of guy.. I can look in a persons eyes and tell a lot about them sometimes.. when I look at beasley, I see a guy who miami didn't just trade to make room for the big 3, but they had no more interest in that head case regardless...

This whole post is immature and hate filled. I expect better TKF. Beasley is only 21 years old. Melo was no saint at 21 either. I mean do you remember the brawl for christ sake? Just because Beasley smoked some weed and isnt clean cut doesnt mean hes a bad guy. In fact his teammates supposedly love him. Clyde was saying Kevin Love mentioned Beasley was one of the best locker room guys he played with so far.

Like Hawthorne said, everyone deserves a 2nd chance. You just sound bitter and pissed that he went off on us. Beasley isnt some scrub here. He went to school on us and made All Star shots. He has that ability. Just like Gallo has Dirk/Peja ability. Its all about being consistent. You cant sneeze at back to back 42 and 34 point games in WINS though, no matter who he played. Beasley is going to be very good.

Yeah TKF went a little cutthroat here but hey I know how he feels when a player rubs him the wrong way for whatever reason. Miami never wanted to draft Beasley and this is where TKF doesn't quite get it. The character issues were there but not as bad as believed. Miami made sure he went under the microscope right away. Riley had to talk himself into picking him(DUMB)

The kid wears blond Rastafarian dreads, gets caught smoking in an apartment and on a boat Miami proceeds to thrash him and treat him like scumbag because of lust and nervousness for Wade

Chandler wears a nappy Isaac Hayes gets caught with the icky icky but we love him treat him as an important building piece

Two different approaches

At the end of the day talent remains. According to Love Beasley is a great teammate. Besides Beasley acting like he was Big Man on Campus when he got to the NBA... really how is he different from anyone else where you stamp down his talent as if he doesn't matter.

Miami is underachieving too with more talent.... so appears their problems weren't related to Beasley