Shaun Marcum Traded to the Brewers for Brett Lawrie

[Schad]

you sound like a leafs fan who knows a little bit about the Jays, just because you don't get major leaguers doesn't mean its a bad deal

Don't be a (Please Use More Appropriate Word), Avenger.

[Hoopstarr]

I didn't know that Kris Humphries' younger brother was a pitcher.

I was just about to post "can we change his nickname to Bulemic Kris Humphries?"

[-MetA4-]

Selling high is great, and I've been asking for them to do it with Marcum for a while. I'm just not sure why they sold him high for a package of prospects.

Milwaukee likely wants Marcum to make one more feeble push at a playoff birth while Fielder is still there. When players like Marcum get moved it is to help the receiving team immediately; obviously Milwaukee wouldn't be improving anything if they just gave back similar value off of their current ML roster.

[YogiStewart]

Mustard's been really grumpy lately.

just pray the Jays don't do anything re: Overbay

[Randle McMurphy]

Selling high is great, and I've been asking for them to do it with Marcum for a while. I'm just not sure why they sold him high for a package of prospects.

you sound like a leafs fan who knows a little bit about the Jays, just because you don't get major leaguers doesn't mean its a bad deal

Well that all depends on what the Jays are trying to do next year, doesn't it? If they aren't trying to contend next year and this is just part of a rebuilding process, I'd be fine with it. But that would conflict with Elliott's recent report.

[luvtheteam]

Just don't know what to say here. 2 years, 2 of our aces traded. Got to be some pitching coming over soon. I guess Marcum was not part of the longer term plan. Also is looking to me like they plan to move Drabek into the starting rotation next year for sure. I'm thinking that decision has been made. Still would allow for another pitcher to come over like Greinke, and we need it. The 3 remaining starters plus Drabek and a question mark isn't going to get us 80 wins next year. You can book that.

[The Flying Gent]

Then why trade Shaun Marcum only for prospects? If it's not about money, it's really hard to find a reasonable justification for doing that.

Justification like... pitching being a major area of strength for our team, getting great talent in return, Marcum is probably too old (29 in a few days) to be relied upon as part of the core, and will be even older when it's time to pay up?

You're being needlessly cynical.

Not cynical, I'm just trying to understand why they traded a 3.5 WAR prospect for prospects. Doing that sets the 2011 team back significantly.

Well, if you're not being cynical, you're being a bit illogical. There's no reason to think this is about money. I mean, this is an organization that about a year ago shelled out 10 million dollars (IIRC) just to get someone to take the best pitcher in baseball off their hands.

[Hoopstarr]

Why are people assuming Marcum will get a boatload in FA? First of all, the Brewers can and should extend him right away to a friendly deal, but even if they don't, I don't see him demanding a huge contract as he'll still have the "injury prone, soft-tosser" label no matter what and he'll be 31.

[Avenger]

you sound like a leafs fan who knows a little bit about the Jays, just because you don't get major leaguers doesn't mean its a bad deal

Don't be a (Please Use More Appropriate Word), Avenger.

wtf?
it wasn't a personal attack, i know Mustard knows a lot about the Jays and baseball in general, definitely more than me. But you know the whole you can't trade major leaguers for prospects is a leafs fan mentality. In Hockey and Basketball you probably win a vast majority of trades when you trade established guys for prospects but its not true in baseball, that's all i was saying

[Randle McMurphy]

Mustard's been really grumpy lately.

just pray the Jays don't do anything re: Overbay

A deal isn't good simply because the AA and the Jays make it, Yogi.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

So Nick Bucci guys. Who is he?

A throw in.

Product of being rushed too quickly. Still very young, and was drafted out of high school, so still lots of potential there, and was showing that he could keep the ball on the ground.

[Garmfay]

Lawrie confirmed per MLB TR

[Randle McMurphy]

Well, if you're not being cynical, you're being a bit illogical. There's no reason to think this is about money. I mean, this is an organization that about a year ago shelled out 10 million dollars (IIRC) just to get someone to take the best pitcher in baseball off their hands.

Well if they trade for Greinke after this and sign him to an extension, it's certainly going to look like it was about the money. Would remind me a lot of what the Phillies did last season with Lee.

[Waylon Mercy]

Marcum is an Intangibles guy....

Hes a true competitor, a workhorse, a Gamer, and pitches well in big games against good teams.

Hes a guy you could throw out in game 2 or 3 of a playoff series and not worry about...

He showed a lot of leadership qualities this year and was the leader of this pitching staff....

Honestly he was one of the last guys I expected to be traded...

intangibles are overrated.

and replace "Marcum" with "Halliday" and you see how far 1 guy goes to get you to the promise land. and use the Halliday example to explain why AJ is now dropping big turds in the Big Apple.

Couldn't agree less....

Burnett is a guy that is all Arm all talent....

But he has no heart, hes soft mentally....

"Intangibles are overrated"

Come on thats silly talk..... Guys like Halladay and Maddux made a career out of it....

A lot of what Marcum brought isn't measured in stats....

Guy was extremely well liked and great for team chemistry....

I worry about the message that is sends to the rest of the players that you give away
a guy who was a true solider and busted his butt.

And some people are saying 29 is old? Come on maybe in Basketball but not in Baseball....

Has Marcum most likely reached his potential? yes

But pitchers that have proved they can pitch in the AL East shouldn't be taken for granted.
Marcum had a reasonable salary as well.

Hes one of the last guys I would get rid of especially in a deal like this....

With all that said.... Im going to wait and see what we get back and see if this is a precursor
to a bigger deal.

[Michael Bradley]

The only way this is selling high is if the team thinks Marcum will get hurt. Nothing Marcum did in 2010 can't be repeated in the future. His 2008 numbers were just as good or better before he had to be shut down, and his 2007 numbers after converting back to a starter were also very good. Marcum seems like he would have been an easy guy to extend to a long-term contract as well.

I can't believe a guy who puts up 3.50-ish ERA's in the AL East is being slept on here. He doesn't have the sexiest stuff, but he gets the job done. Period.

[Hoopstarr]

Kevin_Goldstein - Lawrie has a good chance to be a star, but hardly a guarantee -- issues abound. RT @HockeyResume: @Kevin_Goldstein Do Jays win this deal?

[OldNo7]

Well, if you're not being cynical, you're being a bit illogical. There's no reason to think this is about money. I mean, this is an organization that about a year ago shelled out 10 million dollars (IIRC) just to get someone to take the best pitcher in baseball off their hands.

Well if they trade for Greinke after this and sign him to an extension, it's certainly going to look like it was about the money. Would remind me a lot of what the Phillies did last season with Lee.

Actually it would look more like getting Greinke without depleting the top-end of our prospect pool.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

Marcum is an Intangibles guy....

Hes a true competitor, a workhorse, a Gamer, and pitches well in big games against good teams.

Hes a guy you could throw out in game 2 or 3 of a playoff series and not worry about...

He showed a lot of leadership qualities this year and was the leader of this pitching staff....

Honestly he was one of the last guys I expected to be traded...

intangibles are overrated.

and replace "Marcum" with "Halliday" and you see how far 1 guy goes to get you to the promise land. and use the Halliday example to explain why AJ is now dropping big turds in the Big Apple.

Couldn't agree less....

Burnett is a guy that is all Arm all talent....

But he has no heart, hes soft mentally....

"Intangibles are overrated"

Come on thats silly talk..... Guys like Halladay and Maddux made a career out of it....

A lot of what Marcum brought isn't measured in stats....

Guy was extremely well liked and great for team chemistry....

I worry about the message that is sends to the rest of the players that you give away
a guy who was a true solider and busted his butt.

And some people are saying 29 is old? Come on maybe in Basketball but not in Baseball....

Has Marcum most likely reached his potential? yes

But pitchers that have proved they can pitch in the AL East shouldn't be taken for granted.
Marcum had a reasonable salary as well.

Hes one of the last guys I would get rid of especially in a deal like this....

With all that said.... Im going to wait and see what we get back and see if this is a precursor
to a bigger deal.

It says that AA is sticking with the plan, and I'm ok with that.

[Hoopstarr]

@elliottbaseball: 2b Brett Lawrie from the Brewers to the Jays for RHP Shaun Marcum
@elliottbaseball: 8==D ~~~~~

OK, I imagined that second one

[SharoneWright]

@elliottbaseball: 2b Brett Lawrie from the Brewers to the Jays for RHP Shaun Marcum
@elliottbaseball: 8==D ~~~~~

OK, I imagined that second one

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