Shaun Marcum Traded to the Brewers for Brett Lawrie

SharoneWright · Post #461 » by **SharoneWright** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 11:46 pm

J-Roc wrote:So what's the recap? I heard AA talking about 3B. Was he saying Lawrie could be moved there?

He said he'd let Lawrie's play and abilities dictate his position - but he did mention 3rd Base kind of conspicuously...

Komodo · Post #462 » by **Komodo** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 11:46 pm

I'm looking forward to hearing AA's take on it.

Post #463 » by **darth_federer** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 11:54 pm

Looks like he might spend another year in the minors. AA said that he doesn't like rushing prospects

Dr Positivity · Post #464 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 11:58 pm

Honestly I think what it comes down to is that with the combination of Wells and the Yanks/Red Sox, we need as much production on pennies as possible. Lawrie might not ever be as good as Marcum, but the reward in this case is good production on a tiny payday, compared to Marcum's good production on a good payday after his FA which doesn't help us as much next to the Yanks and Sox. And that's not considering his injury issues

Randle McMurphy · Post #465 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 12:02 am

Evermore wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:If it's to get Greinke, it reminds me of the Phillies trading Lee to make room for Halladay financially. It really diminishes the potential upgrade.

If it's just to get prospects, it's indicative of a salary dump and the cheapness of Rogers Communications.

So yeah, not a big fan of this right now.

Salary dump?

Marcum made less than a million last season

This deal is all about getting a young, talented Canadian infielder into the system

To extend Marcum through his two remaining arbitration and a few free agent years would have cost quite a bit, actually. And apparently the Jays weren't willing to spend the money.

Randle McMurphy · Post #466 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 12:04 am

YogiStewart wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Paul Beeston is on record saying that when AA tells ownership/management that he's ready to contend, the money will be provided.

I have no reason not to believe Beeston.

But do you have a reason to believe him?

do you have a reason to vehemently not believe him?

All of his comments and remarks to the media and fans over the last two years have had a tendency not to come true. That would be my reason.

turtle_15 · Post #467 » by **turtle_15** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 12:10 am

So i've been reading a bunch of pages and haven't seen anyone mention this, say he does stay at 2B or even moves to 3rd what do the Jays do with Hech. Hill would still b at 2nd with Hech behind.We now have have a little bit of a log jam any suggestions???

Randle McMurphy · Post #468 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 12:12 am

turtle_15 wrote:So i've been reading a bunch of pages and haven't seen anyone mention this, say he does stay at 2B or even moves to 3rd what do the Jays do with Hech. Hill would still b at 2nd with Hech behind.We now have have a little bit of a log jam any suggestions???

Hech and Lawrie aren't close enough to the majors to worry about this. And Lawrie may not even be an infielder.

turtle_15 · Post #469 » by **turtle_15** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 12:16 am

The thing is if he does stay at an infield position there going to be up in the majors at right around the same time and with HIll and Escobar do we move Hill and have it Hech 2b Escobar SS and Lawrie 3b, i don't mind that and we should be able to fetch a descent return for HIll

evilRyu · Post #470 » by **evilRyu** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 12:19 am

turtle_15 wrote:The thing is if he does stay at an infield position there going to be up in the majors at right around the same time and with HIll and Escobar do we move Hill and have it Hech 2b Escobar SS and Lawrie 3b, i don't mind that and we should be able to fetch a descent return for HIll

If there's anything you should learn from the Marcum-Lawrie trade, it's that no one is untouchable, and anything can happen in terms of player movement. Thus, you should not assume Hill, Escobar, heck, even Hech, will be even fighting for positions, as anyone can be moved.

WpgPage · Post #471 » by **WpgPage** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 12:52 am

Well if I had to guess I would say that Hill will be traded when his value is back up, if Lawrie and Hech both live up to their respective potentials, and Esco hits more like the Esco of 2009 which I believe he should.

Plan A
Escobar-2B-Bats 2nd
Hech-SS-Bats 8th
Lawrie-3B-Bats 7th

Plan B (Lawrie can't play 3rd)
Escobar-3B-Bats 2nd
Hech-SS-Bats 8th
Lawrie-2B-Bats 7th

If Lawrie has to move to the OF then were back to square 1

ansoncarter · Post #472 » by **ansoncarter** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 12:53 am

selling an overachiever at peak value and being lucky enough to find another gm desperate to make a win-now move is about as perfect as it gets. If lawrie's prospect rating is the problem it probably just means they're wrong, and actual professionals have a higher grade on him

either way I like it because he's canadian. Although that picture of him sort of ruins it

also what is an inverted w and why don't they just call it an m

Kurtz · Post #473 » by **Kurtz** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 1:04 am

ansoncarter wrote:
also what is an inverted w and why don't they just call it an m

I think Ive said it before, but...you should post more.

Komodo · Post #474 » by **Komodo** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 1:14 am

So is there a video/audio link other than the live stream?

Kurtz · Post #475 » by **Kurtz** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 1:17 am

darth_federer wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:better sign a pre-nup with that one.

Shes an athlete too (from Vancouver.) She is one of the best under 20 soccer players in the world. Lawrie seems like a typical jock.

Asking strictly as a women's soccer aficionado...what is the young lady's name?

WpgPage · Post #476 » by **WpgPage** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 1:47 am

So if we redo our 2013 starting line-up would look something like

Gose-CF
Escobar-2B
Snider-LF
Wells-RF
Lind-DH
JPA-1B
Lawrie-3B
D'Arnaud-C
Hech-SS

SP
Morrow
Romero
Dabek
Cecil
Zep

Closer
Stewart

Not a bad line-up at all if everyone pans out, could also trade JPA for a 1st basemen or sign one in FA, if Wells is gone by then sub in Thames or Moises Sierra, or Jake Maresnik into that last OF spot.

FreeAgent · Post #477 » by **FreeAgent** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:15 am

Duffman100 wrote:
LittleOzzy wrote:22 pages? This forum is almost more active today than it was all last season.

I think we should take names of the bunch of us who started this Blue Jays forum. Just so we can all pat each other on the back when the Jays are successful and this board is crazy active.

Me
You
Schad
Avenger
J-Roc
Randle
Dagger
Darth Federer
Relentless

I'm sure there are others.

Hey. I posted here before I did in the Raps forum. I demand on this list!

gill612 · Post #478 » by **gill612** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:21 am

on the score they were saying that we are getting multiple prospects, anyone know anything about this?

-MetA4- · Post #479 » by **-MetA4-** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:30 am

gill612 wrote:on the score they were saying that we are getting multiple prospects, anyone know anything about this?

Its just Lawrie.

Post #480 » by **darth_federer** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:42 am

Kurtz wrote:
darth_federer wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:better sign a pre-nup with that one.

Shes an athlete too (from Vancouver.) She is one of the best under 20 soccer players in the world. Lawrie seems like a typical jock.

Asking strictly as a women's soccer aficionado...what is the young lady's name?

Click on the link I posted. It has her name. Too lazy to look it up