ImageImageImage

Iggy to Minny

Moderators: Domejandro, Worm Guts, Calinks

moss_is_1
RealGM
Posts: 10,971
And1: 2,385
Joined: May 20, 2009
   

Iggy to Minny 

Post#1 » by moss_is_1 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:05 am

I posted this on the trade board, but I thought I'd post it here just to see some reactions.

Philly out:Iggy
Minny out: Beasley, Ellington, Koufus, Memphis 1st

As we know, we've had some people wanting to see Iggy here and others not at all...But we do know that the trade deadline may be the last time we can capitilize on our capspace. Philly has Jodie Meeks starting and he's really their only 2 guard, and Ellington will probably be the short stick once Webster returns, and Philly has crappy centers..

Thoughts?
User avatar
Esohny
RealGM
Posts: 11,613
And1: 339
Joined: Apr 18, 2009
Location: Saint Paul
     

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#2 » by Esohny » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:08 am

I'd like Beasley next to Iggy. And if they're trading Iggy for salary relief, we should be able to get him without sending Supercool.
SMAC-K wrote:Mayo>>>>Love and that 5th pick
OJ Mayo is one of the best defenders in the league, hes a two way player and hes a great passer and playmaker.
moss_is_1
RealGM
Posts: 10,971
And1: 2,385
Joined: May 20, 2009
   

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#3 » by moss_is_1 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:13 am

Esohny wrote:I'd like Beasley next to Iggy. And if they're trading Iggy for salary relief, we should be able to get him without sending Supercool.

I figured that they would want at least someone worth hanging onto if they are trading Iggy...Plus I'm still unsure if Beas can really play the 3 and defend the 3...Also I believe SF is Iggy's best position.
User avatar
Yes We Kahn
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,421
And1: 18
Joined: Jul 15, 2010

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#4 » by Yes We Kahn » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:16 am

I want Iggy, but not at the price of Skittles.
Steve_Holiday
Pro Prospect
Posts: 798
And1: 51
Joined: Jan 02, 2004
Location: TIB (This Is Bloomtown)

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#5 » by Steve_Holiday » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:33 am

this would be a costly lateral move.

we have picks and youth with "upside" to deal, why give up Beasley?
TheProdigy
Starter
Posts: 2,427
And1: 1,118
Joined: Feb 21, 2001

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#6 » by TheProdigy » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:41 am

Beasley hasn't reached his potential yet, and he's already better than Iggy. Plus we throw in other assets besides? Sorry, but this is a horrible trade.
Busch Legion
Rookie
Posts: 1,041
And1: 14
Joined: Oct 08, 2007
Location: North Dakota

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#7 » by Busch Legion » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:51 am

Gotta keep Beasley imo. 21 years old.
moss_is_1
RealGM
Posts: 10,971
And1: 2,385
Joined: May 20, 2009
   

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#8 » by moss_is_1 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:53 am

DaKidKG wrote:Beasley hasn't reached his potential yet, and he's already better than Iggy. Plus we throw in other assets besides? Sorry, but this is a horrible trade.

Don't be a homer.
TheProdigy
Starter
Posts: 2,427
And1: 1,118
Joined: Feb 21, 2001

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#9 » by TheProdigy » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:00 am

moss_is_1 wrote:
DaKidKG wrote:Beasley hasn't reached his potential yet, and he's already better than Iggy. Plus we throw in other assets besides? Sorry, but this is a horrible trade.

Don't be a homer.

Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
10-11 PHI 16 16 37.5 0.432 0.316 0.680 1.0 5.6 6.6 5.5 1.2 0.6 1.8 1.9 13.9

Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
10-11 MIN 20 20 33.5 0.472 0.409 0.701 1.8 4.3 6.0 1.5 0.8 0.8 3.0 3.6 22.0
Klomp
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 68,774
And1: 22,359
Joined: Jul 08, 2005
Contact:
   

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#10 » by Klomp » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:07 am

moss_is_1 wrote:I posted this on the trade board, but I thought I'd post it here just to see some reactions.

Philly out:Iggy
Minny out: Beasley, Ellington, Koufus, Memphis 1st

As we know, we've had some people wanting to see Iggy here and others not at all...But we do know that the trade deadline may be the last time we can capitilize on our capspace. Philly has Jodie Meeks starting and he's really their only 2 guard, and Ellington will probably be the short stick once Webster returns, and Philly has crappy centers..

Thoughts?

I'd do it. I don't think people realize how much this could help our defense. Heres some interesting thoughts from Hollinger on AI's defense:
Iguodala is one of the most underrated players in the league. He’s not a great shooter or scorer, which muddies the first impression, but he’s consistent, durable, and fills out the box score. He also is one of the few stars who guards the opponent’s best player every night.

That’s probably the first place to start with Iguodala — he’s an All-Defense caliber player who can guard wings of just about any size and shape, and this fact has mostly slipped under the radar. Last season the Sixers gave up 7.4 points per 100 possessions fewer with him on the court according to 82games.com. Moreover, his ability to defend without fouling was phenomenal — only four shooting guards beat his rate of 1.86 personals per 40 minutes.
http://www.scoresreport.com/2010/02/04/ ... -the-cavs/


The closest thing Iggy's had to a true point guard is Andre Miller, and those were the three best years of his career. Just think about what he could do with Rubio.

The biggest gripes we've had on Beasley are his defense and foul trouble. Look at his performance in Turkey for the kind of defensive impact he can have on a team. When was the last time we had a defensive presence on the perimeter like that? In the past 4+ seasons, Iguodala has fouled out of just 1 of his 338 games played dating back to the beginning of the 2006-2007 season.

Many people freak out about the contract. But honestly, Beasley has a good chance to get that much (or more) when his contract is up. I'd rather pay my 12 million to a guy who can stay healthy, stay out of trouble, and plays defense.

People talk about his age like he's freakin' Methuselah. He's 26 years old. Not even a year older than LeBron. Would you guys oppose to adding LeBron because he's too old to fit with our core?
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
User avatar
The J Rocka
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 13,570
And1: 1,732
Joined: Jun 27, 2009
Location: Minneapolis
   

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#11 » by The J Rocka » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:17 am

Are we really waiting for Prince Charming to come to our team? Iggy is the closest thing to top tier as we're gonna get imo.

go-to-guy status

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enlXNd9pQ0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNEHqPbt48c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L8mNnWjlYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnK95OAly2Q

I think with our group of guys including Rubio, I think we are a scary team with Iggy. If it doesn't workout for us in a few years, trade him.
TheProdigy
Starter
Posts: 2,427
And1: 1,118
Joined: Feb 21, 2001

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#12 » by TheProdigy » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:17 am

I see what you're saying about defense. Igoudala is a great perimeter defender, much better than Beasley at this point. Though, you can say the same thing about Beasley when it comes to offense. How long have we been praying for a dominant scorer on this team?

I suppose it's debatable who is the better player. Add in the fact that Beasley is younger and cheaper. Then it's no contest.
NewWolvesOrder
Head Coach
Posts: 6,943
And1: 1,262
Joined: Dec 20, 2008

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#13 » by NewWolvesOrder » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:17 am

Klomp wrote:
moss_is_1 wrote:I posted this on the trade board, but I thought I'd post it here just to see some reactions.

Philly out:Iggy
Minny out: Beasley, Ellington, Koufus, Memphis 1st

As we know, we've had some people wanting to see Iggy here and others not at all...But we do know that the trade deadline may be the last time we can capitilize on our capspace. Philly has Jodie Meeks starting and he's really their only 2 guard, and Ellington will probably be the short stick once Webster returns, and Philly has crappy centers..

Thoughts?

I'd do it. I don't think people realize how much this could help our defense. Heres some interesting thoughts from Hollinger on AI's defense:
Iguodala is one of the most underrated players in the league. He’s not a great shooter or scorer, which muddies the first impression, but he’s consistent, durable, and fills out the box score. He also is one of the few stars who guards the opponent’s best player every night.

That’s probably the first place to start with Iguodala — he’s an All-Defense caliber player who can guard wings of just about any size and shape, and this fact has mostly slipped under the radar. Last season the Sixers gave up 7.4 points per 100 possessions fewer with him on the court according to 82games.com. Moreover, his ability to defend without fouling was phenomenal — only four shooting guards beat his rate of 1.86 personals per 40 minutes.
http://www.scoresreport.com/2010/02/04/ ... -the-cavs/


The closest thing Iggy's had to a true point guard is Andre Miller, and those were the three best years of his career. Just think about what he could do with Rubio.

The biggest gripes we've had on Beasley are his defense and foul trouble. Look at his performance in Turkey for the kind of defensive impact he can have on a team. When was the last time we had a defensive presence on the perimeter like that? In the past 4+ seasons, Iguodala has fouled out of just 1 of his 338 games played dating back to the beginning of the 2006-2007 season.

Many people freak out about the contract. But honestly, Beasley has a good chance to get that much (or more) when his contract is up. I'd rather pay my 12 million to a guy who can stay healthy, stay out of trouble, and plays defense.

People talk about his age like he's freakin' Methuselah. He's 26 years old. Not even a year older than LeBron. Would you guys oppose to adding LeBron because he's too old to fit with our core?


Looks like Wes would be an alternative to trade. The only problem I see then would be if we can afford Iggy plus extended contracts of Love and Beasley. Ridnour & Pek would have to be dumped for capspace for sure. Cheap Darko contract helps for sure and rookie Rubio deal as well.
Klomp
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 68,774
And1: 22,359
Joined: Jul 08, 2005
Contact:
   

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#14 » by Klomp » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:37 am

J_Era_3 wrote:Are we really waiting for Prince Charming to come to our team? Iggy is the closest thing to top tier as we're gonna get imo.

go-to-guy status

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enlXNd9pQ0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNEHqPbt48c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L8mNnWjlYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnK95OAly2Q

I think with our group of guys including Rubio, I think we are a scary team with Iggy. If it doesn't workout for us in a few years, trade him.

Will he add another game-winner tonight?
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Piecake
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,885
And1: 264
Joined: Nov 13, 2010

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#15 » by Piecake » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:37 am

We arent winning with Iggy anyways, so I'd just like to wait and see if beasley improves his defense since he is younger and I think has a much higher ceiling. It does seem possible, especially since he is playing and defending an entirely new position that he is really not used to.
cpfsf
General Manager
Posts: 8,834
And1: 1,126
Joined: Apr 10, 2008
Location: sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell
 

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#16 » by cpfsf » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:38 am

People always say we want your best player, so I decided that you can have everyone except our best player, our second best player, and our third best player. I feel the same way in this case. In order to even discuss this trade, we already must rule out Rubio, Love, and Beasley. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume they don't want anything to do with that.
Image

sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell
User avatar
The J Rocka
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 13,570
And1: 1,732
Joined: Jun 27, 2009
Location: Minneapolis
   

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#17 » by The J Rocka » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:40 am

Klomp wrote:
J_Era_3 wrote:Are we really waiting for Prince Charming to come to our team? Iggy is the closest thing to top tier as we're gonna get imo.

go-to-guy status

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enlXNd9pQ0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNEHqPbt48c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L8mNnWjlYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnK95OAly2Q

I think with our group of guys including Rubio, I think we are a scary team with Iggy. If it doesn't workout for us in a few years, trade him.

Will he add another game-winner tonight?

Booya. Running hook baby. It's a sign, get him now.
Klomp
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 68,774
And1: 22,359
Joined: Jul 08, 2005
Contact:
   

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#18 » by Klomp » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:42 am

Piecake wrote:We arent winning with Iggy anyways, so I'd just like to wait and see if beasley improves his defense since he is younger and I think has a much higher ceiling. It does seem possible, especially since he is playing and defending an entirely new position that he is really not used to.

Beasley was never a dymamic defensive player before the position switch either though...
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Klomp
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 68,774
And1: 22,359
Joined: Jul 08, 2005
Contact:
   

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#19 » by Klomp » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:42 am

J_Era_3 wrote:
Klomp wrote:Will he add another game-winner tonight?

Booya. Running hook baby. It's a sign, get him now.

I just got happy
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Klomp
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 68,774
And1: 22,359
Joined: Jul 08, 2005
Contact:
   

Re: Iggy to Minny 

Post#20 » by Klomp » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:43 am

Of course, leave it to the Wolves' true franchise player to crush it...
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment

Return to Minnesota Timberwolves