[Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for NYK! Part 5

[duetta]

Your whole argument on why King was/is better than Carmelo is that he had a better shot selection. That's all your argument is based on. The fact that King wasn't winning ballgames and only made the playoffs 4 times in his whole career doesn't matter to you. I like Bernard King, loved him as a player, and I won't go to much into this simply because I like the guy and don't want to put him down or make it seem like I'm underrating how good he is. But he wasn't better than Carmelo. If shot selection was the prime factor on who the better player is than what is the argument for Kobe being ahead of Wade? Don't tell me its winning games or is it? You tell me. King at his peak, meaning his very very best, was better than Carmelo is now. Compare King's career to what Carmelo has done now and King isn't better. So if you want to take that season in which he played 55 games and averaged close to 33 points per game to make a point, then go ahead.

Bernard carried the Knicks on his back during his healthy years in New York - despite having forgettable supporting casts and playing in an era when men were still allowed to be men, and hard fouls were the rule rather than the exception. I'd like to see Melo play in an era when what Mardy Collins gave him was considered child's play - as opposed an opportunity to sucker punch an opponent.

And, yes, for scorers, shot selection is everything. A man's gotta know his limitations.

[Justdatdude]

Your whole argument on why King was/is better than Carmelo is that he had a better shot selection. That's all your argument is based on. The fact that King wasn't winning ballgames and only made the playoffs 4 times in his whole career doesn't matter to you. I like Bernard King, loved him as a player, and I won't go to much into this simply because I like the guy and don't want to put him down or make it seem like I'm underrating how good he is. But he wasn't better than Carmelo. If shot selection was the prime factor on who the better player is than what is the argument for Kobe being ahead of Wade? Don't tell me its winning games or is it? You tell me. King at his peak, meaning his very very best, was better than Carmelo is now. Compare King's career to what Carmelo has done now and King isn't better. So if you want to take that season in which he played 55 games and averaged close to 33 points per game to make a point, then go ahead.

Bernard carried the Knicks on his back during his healthy years in New York - despite having forgettable supporting casts and playing in an era when men were still allowed to be men, and hard fouls were the rule rather than the exception. I'd like to see Melo play in an era when what Mardy Collins gave him was considered child's play - as opposed an opportunity to sucker punch an opponent.

And, yes, for scorers, shot selection is everything. A man's gotta know his limitations.

So King leading the Knicks to the playoffs twice and getting out of the first round once, makes him better than Carmelo? We're going to ignore that he played 55+ games in 11 seasons and only made the playoffs 4 times in that span because he had led the Knicks to the playoffs in two of his 3 seasons here. Great logic. Melo isn't on King's level. You're right.

[ophdog]

melos fg% will go up when hes not the only superstar on the floor.

[NYK Pharaoh]

melos fg% will go up when hes not the only superstar on the floor.

And Amare's too

[Li'l Penny]

when the hell is melo coming?

[captain subtext]

Every single shooter in the world goes through good and bad stretches. At the end of the day you are what your numbers say you are. Melo has barely shot over 2 threes a game in his career, and is only a 30% career shooter from there. Its clearly not his strength.

Three point shooting aside, why has Melo's FG% dropped the past three years? A guy who barely takes threes and supposedly has an amazing mid range/driving game can only muster 44-45%? Even during his WCF season he was only at .443% with "everybody healthy". Why do LeBron and Wade have higher FG% and TS% with similar styles of play? Im curious to hear your exus... I mean reasoning for this.

Through the "eye test": He simply doesn't take good shots. The guy is probably the best player in the league in making contested shots, but this skill only masks his harringtonesque decisionmaking. Skill will take you only so far. A bad shot is still a bad shot and that much harder to make over time.

[knickabocker88]

After these past 2 games why is Fields still untouchable on this board?

Ahhh...RealGm.

It's a completely legitimate argument against the better teams, he's production is going to be marginalized.

Your not going to get back door cuts or even touches for that matter against the better teams, to borrow a word from Landry Fields it's flabbergasting that this Kid is the one that is untouchable out of the 3 players who's name are always brought up

I like him

[Falstaffxx]

After these past 2 games why is Fields still untouchable on this board?

Ahhh...RealGm.

It's a completely legitimate argument against the better teams, he's production is going to be marginalized.

Your not going to get back door cuts or even touches for that matter against the better teams, to borrow a word from Landry Fields it's flabbergasting that this Kid is the one that is untouchable out of the 3 players who's name are always brought up

I like him

You're saying it's harder to produce against good defense. Duh. That's true of every player.

[dancing dervish]

I'd really like to know what our plan B is if a Melo trade doesn't happen. I personally think a Curry/AR type of package still holds lots of value around the league and I hope that we use that expiring contract to improve the team if Melo is off the table.

[sol537]

Two sources close to the situation insisted Friday that the trade will come sooner than the masses think. And Ujiri did nothing to dispel that notion with his "listening aggressively" proclamation, which would seem to confirm that the Nuggets have grown weary of the limbo that has enveloped the franchise and its fans for months, after team officials believed as far back as June that Anthony was close to signing the extension.

"I would be surprised if it goes into February," one source said. "Very surprised. I expect things to start happening now. It's starting to be a big distraction for the Nuggets that's only going to get bigger."

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page ... melo-drama

[Future Soldier]

they're STILL trying to force the Nets down peoples throats...wtffff! HE ISN'T SIGNING THERE. WTF! the Commie, Jay, and ugly ass Avery can try to "sell him" on a new arena all they want, but the fact is he WANTS TO BE A KNICK. Not the star on the red-headed stepchild that will always be second best. Brooke Lopez is exposing himself as well, so its not like pairing him up with Melo will work wonders for the teams success. He isn't THAT good, so if they trade off all these picks, plus Favors and Harris, that is a horrific team to run with. Melo would be an absolute idiot to go there. Good thing he's smart.

[Twisted]

That article mentions Houston, Dallas, and Orlando as possible renters, but I don't see it. Orlando will be out of it very shortly, Dallas is clicking and will not overhaul their team, and Houston simply won't be a contender with Anthony. They'll be better, but not a contender. So their only motivation for renting Anthony would be to convince him to be their future star.....good luck with that.

That leaves New Jersey's hopes of convincing Anthony to extend. That's what we're going up against.

[Punk]

That article mentions Houston, Dallas, and Orlando as possible renters, but I don't see it. Orlando will be out of it very shortly, Dallas is clicking and will not overhaul their team, and Houston simply won't be a contender with Anthony. They'll be better, but not a contender. So their only motivation for renting Anthony would be to convince him to be their future star.....good luck with that.

That leaves New Jersey's hopes of convincing Anthony to extend. That's what we're going up against.

We are not up against anything. You know how terrible it would look for him to sign with a lottery team instead of instantly becoming a winning championship threshold team in NY? He aint that stupid.

Orlando is out. Dallas is not gonna ruin their 20-5 team for him. Houston is not even close. Yao is out and he would be the guy that they would sell him on.

[Twisted]

That article mentions Houston, Dallas, and Orlando as possible renters, but I don't see it. Orlando will be out of it very shortly, Dallas is clicking and will not overhaul their team, and Houston simply won't be a contender with Anthony. They'll be better, but not a contender. So their only motivation for renting Anthony would be to convince him to be their future star.....good luck with that.

That leaves New Jersey's hopes of convincing Anthony to extend. That's what we're going up against.

We are not up against anything. You know how terrible it would look for him to sign with a lottery team instead of instantly becoming a winning championship threshold team in NY? He aint that stupid.

Orlando is out. Dallas is not gonna ruin their 20-5 team for him. Houston is not even close. Yao is out and he would be the guy that they would sell him on.

Yeah, I never said the Nets were formidable (our favorite word lol) in this hunt. But I'm sure they'll try to do that. God bless em'.

[CHARLYMURPHY]

That leaves New Jersey's hopes of convincing Anthony to extend. That's what we're going up against.

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Who?

[kane2021]

Its only a matter of time now. We have 4 days off after tonight. And one game between then and X-Mas. With all the rumors and other deals going down, and looking at our schedule, I think we are entering the "prime opportunity" situation.

[magnumt]

Its only a matter of time now. We have 4 days off after tonight. And one game between then and X-Mas. With all the rumors and other deals going down, and looking at our schedule, I think we are entering the "prime opportunity" situation.

Yeah, I expected Donnie not to do a deal (small or major) until we got this 4 Day break as well.

[kane2021]

Its only a matter of time now. We have 4 days off after tonight. And one game between then and X-Mas. With all the rumors and other deals going down, and looking at our schedule, I think we are entering the "prime opportunity" situation.

Yeah, I expected Donnie not to do a deal (small or major) until we got this 4 Day break as well.

Yup. I remember us talking about it. The tough games and tight schedule. Make a deal prior to that and we are left short handed during big games. We got our chance to showcase ourselves on national TV. And have plenty of time to pull a deal now, without being left short. Have some time to get everyone together. Not to mention a big game x-mas to show off. I would not be the least bit surprised to see it done VERY soon.

[knicks742]

And the Denver GM said two days ago, he was listening aggressively to offers for Melo. In other words, Denver, Melo and Knicks are getting tired of the charade. Time to get something done.

[Knicksrule2k4]

Wake up Donnie! We need Melo, a back up pg and a defensive big man!