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Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0 

Post#501 » by Kanyewest » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:47 am

Dominic McGuire pulled down 17 rebounds for the Bobcats.
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Post#502 » by closg00 » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:10 am

Kanyewest wrote:Dominic McGuire pulled down 17 rebounds for the Bobcats.


He also was also 3-12, if he had knocked down a few more shots, the Cats might have won that game. Nice rebounding though.
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Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0 

Post#503 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:20 pm

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Kanyewest wrote:Dominic McGuire pulled down 17 rebounds for the Bobcats.


He also was also 3-12, if he had knocked down a few more shots, the Cats might have won that game. Nice rebounding though.


If you had your choice, straight up, who would you rather have?

Booker or McGuire?

Discuss among yourselves.
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Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0 

Post#504 » by nate33 » Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:33 pm

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closg00 wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Dominic McGuire pulled down 17 rebounds for the Bobcats.


He also was also 3-12, if he had knocked down a few more shots, the Cats might have won that game. Nice rebounding though.


If you had your choice, straight up, who would you rather have?

Booker or McGuire?

Discuss among yourselves.

Right now, I'd say McGuire is a slightly better player because of his experience. But I also think that McGuire has pretty much hit his ceiling. After a year or so of seasoning, it's a pretty sure bet that Booker will be as good as McGuire, and it's reasonably likely that he'll be better.

So if I had to win a game tomorrow, I'd take McGuire. But if I'm picking a guy to grow with over time, I'd take Booker without hesitation.
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Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0 

Post#505 » by Induveca » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:29 am

Haywood is shooting a miserable 26% from the line this year.
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Post#506 » by nate33 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:42 am

Induveca wrote:Haywood is shooting a miserable 26% from the line this year.

What's crazy is that Hoopla got him to shoot .735 in the 2007/08 season. He missed 08/09 due to injury. And last year he shot a not-too-awful .620.

WTF happened?
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Post#507 » by Induveca » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:48 am

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Induveca wrote:Haywood is shooting a miserable 26% from the line this year.

What's crazy is that Hoopla got him to shoot .735 in the 2007/08 season. He missed 08/09 due to injury. And last year he shot a not-too-awful .620.

WTF happened?


No clue, if he gets traded won't shock me........he's been pouting quite a bit already tonight.

The guy has really revealed himself to be a locker room problem. He's really been their only distraction this year thus far.

DeShawn Stevenson on the other hand looks unbelievably confident.....good to see. When he had confidence he was fun to watch.
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Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0 

Post#508 » by JWizmentality » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:08 am

nate33 wrote:
Induveca wrote:Haywood is shooting a miserable 26% from the line this year.

What's crazy is that Hoopla got him to shoot .735 in the 2007/08 season. He missed 08/09 due to injury. And last year he shot a not-too-awful .620.

WTF happened?


Dallas was supposed to be his coming out show. Chandler b*tch slapped him back to bench duty.
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Post#509 » by Induveca » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:49 am

Announcer on NBATV (not sure who he is honestly...but def a former player) talked about how many bad habits the former Wiz players on both Orlando and Dallas developed over the years, and how Butler/Stevenson are fluorishing once they've had some time away.

The point seemed to be it was a blessing for all to no longer be surrounded by the Wiz organization.
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Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0 

Post#510 » by JWizmentality » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:59 am

Induveca wrote:Announcer on NBATV (not sure who he is honestly...but def a former player) talked about how many bad habits the former Wiz players on both Orlando and Dallas developed over the years, and how Butler/Stevenson are fluorishing once they've had some time away.

The point seemed to be it was a blessing for all to no longer be surrounded by the Wiz organization.


One of them also said (McHale I think) he can't for the life of him figure out why teams run the zone defense. It's so soft and easy to break...and it leaves you at a disadvantage for the rebound.








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Post#511 » by closg00 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:04 am

Induveca wrote:Announcer on NBATV (not sure who he is honestly...but def a former player) talked about how many bad habits the former Wiz players on both Orlando and Dallas developed over the years, and how Butler/Stevenson are fluorishing once they've had some time away.

The point seemed to be it was a blessing for all to no longer be surrounded by the Wiz organization.


Leads credence to my theory that our assistant coaches are sh*t or there are institutional problems (Grunfeld's management) with how the Wiz org is run.
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Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0 

Post#512 » by nate33 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:53 am

closg00 wrote:
Induveca wrote:Announcer on NBATV (not sure who he is honestly...but def a former player) talked about how many bad habits the former Wiz players on both Orlando and Dallas developed over the years, and how Butler/Stevenson are fluorishing once they've had some time away.

The point seemed to be it was a blessing for all to no longer be surrounded by the Wiz organization.


Leads credence to my theory that our assistant coaches are sh*t or there are institutional problems (Grunfeld's management) with how the Wiz org is run.

I blame EJ for most of that. Butler, Stevenson, Haywood and Jamison were mentored by EJ. That's where they learned their terrible D and jumpshot oriented offense. I think Flip has been brought in to clean up a big mess, but it's slow going.
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Post#513 » by hands11 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:37 am

I totally see it as a EFJ issue.

People bitch about Flip but Flip is getting results working with the younger players.
People may not like his style or methods, but look at Nick. He is actually growing as a player. We saw zero growth from him before. He would do the same stupid stuff over and over.

Same with McGee. McGee needed a lot of mental work and Flip is working him. He didn't bench him like people though. He was trying to wake him up and get him focused.

I blame a lot of Gil never becoming the player he could have been on EFJ also. Gil put up numbers but he was a high volume ball dominate no offensive structure player. A lot of it is on Gil because he is a drama queen and wants to do it all his way. Gil owned EFJ. EFJ has not control over Gil.

And when you most talented player is like that, thats not good for the young players to see. No wonder they didnt listen to the older AJ when the cool guy Gil was around.


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Post#514 » by Kanyewest » Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:53 am

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Induveca wrote:Announcer on NBATV (not sure who he is honestly...but def a former player) talked about how many bad habits the former Wiz players on both Orlando and Dallas developed over the years, and how Butler/Stevenson are fluorishing once they've had some time away.

The point seemed to be it was a blessing for all to no longer be surrounded by the Wiz organization.


Leads credence to my theory that our assistant coaches are sh*t or there are institutional problems (Grunfeld's management) with how the Wiz org is run.

I blame EJ for most of that. Butler, Stevenson, Haywood and Jamison were mentored by EJ. That's where they learned their terrible D and jumpshot oriented offense. I think Flip has been brought in to clean up a big mess, but it's slow going.


Haywood and Jamison are playing worse. And I think it's too much to put blame on EJ for Jamison. Dude just can't play defense.
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Post#515 » by closg00 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:05 am

Little Earl Boykins dropped 23 off the bench against the Lakers last night. :onfire:
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Post#516 » by nate33 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:18 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Haywood and Jamison are playing worse. And I think it's too much to put blame on EJ for Jamison. Dude just can't play defense.

That's a good point. I suppose it was an undeserved shot at the Wizards organization. Haywood was a damn good player in DC.
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Post#517 » by verbal8 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:02 pm

It is interesting that the vets I hated to see leave: Haywood, Arenas and to some extent Jamison seem to be mediocre at best. While the players I felt don't let the door hit you on the way out: Stevenson and Bulter(from a basketball point of view) seem to be doing well for the Mavs.
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Post#518 » by dobrojim » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:12 pm

nate33 wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Haywood and Jamison are playing worse. And I think it's too much to put blame on EJ for Jamison. Dude just can't play defense.

That's a good point. I suppose it was an undeserved shot at the Wizards organization. Haywood was a damn good player in DC.


but if you want to include EJ in the discussion of that, it was pretty clearly
in spite of EJ rather than because of EJ.
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Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0 

Post#519 » by closg00 » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:56 pm

Gee signs with Cleveland, interesting, teams like snatching him up.
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Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0 

Post#520 » by LyricalRico » Mon Jan 3, 2011 1:11 am

Possible patella tendon tear for Caron Butler. No only could it end his season, but it could also really torpedo his value in free agency. Dallas might be able to do with him what we did with Josh Howard - get him back on a one year deal on the cheap.

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