Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe

[SDChargers#1]

Kudos for comparing one's accomplishments who has been in the league 14 years to another who's been in the league 7 years.

And I guess Wade was supposed to be playing through a dislocated shoulder, because you only the tougher plays can.. /sarcasm

It was merely a response to the "I like to wait till things actually happen before I give credit to it" line.

Wade dislocated his shoulder one season (what about the other times that he missed extended time). Or every other season of his career where he had to miss games (Wade has missed 5 games or more every year of his career). Kobe on the other hand has missed less than that EIGHT times in his career.

Are you really going to argue that Wade is tougher than Kobe?

[SDChargers#1]

For the record in Kobe's 14 year career he has missed 93 games.

Wade in his 7 year career has missed 103 games.

[Blackfyre]

Those teams were built on defense (Nets and Sixers).

[Shaq Daddy]

LMFAO@ Kobe averaging 40 points on anybody in the Finals.

How you gonna tell me that when Kobe, in all of his Finals games combined has as many of those performances (40 point games) as Wade had in his lone Finals appearence.

Two.

GTFOH with that man.

I'm not going to take anything away from Wade's finals performance. It was amazing, one of the best ever.

But you keep ignoring who he was playing. Kobe has been to the finals 7 times, and EVERY SINGLE TIME, he played a defense that was WAY better than that Mavericks team. As I said, Kobe put up 62 in 3 quarters against THAT VERY MAVERICKS TEAM. It isn't out of comprehension to imagine Kobe dominating them in a finals series.

Is it a guarantee? No, but Kobe would have definitely had his greatest finals performance ever if he had the luxury of playing the Mavs in the finals.

Yeah, that Nets team was friggin' outstanding! Or was it the 76ers?

Both teams were better defensively than the Mavericks.

Did you start watching basketball after 2006?

You're not even a Shaq fan. You're a pure Kobe hater. Nothing you have said yet is a valid argument.

[jaypo]

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Different competition.

Why is it so outside the realmn of possibility to you that Kobe averages over 40 against a team whom he outscored through 3 quarters?[/quote]

I like to wait till things actually happen before I give credit to it.

And 60 through 3 is nice. Wade once had 53 through 3 himself but came out in the 4th dishing the ball out and had like 2-3 assist.[/quote]

Ahh, you mean like Kobe WINNING 5 championships to Wade's 1?

Or Kobe's 8 All NBA 1st teams to Wade's 2?
Or Kobe's 8 All 1st Team Defense to Wade's 0?
Or Kobe's 2 scoring titles to Wade's 1?
Or Kobe's toughness that has allowed him to play max games 4 times in his career to Wade's 0?
Or Kobe's toughness to never miss 20 or more games in his career to Wade's 3?

Yea, I agree let's WAIT AND SEE what happens [/quote]

You mean like Horry's 7 rings to Kobe's 5? I guess Horry is above him on the GOAT list, right?

Wade has only been in the league exactly half the time as Kobe. Let's check back in 7 more years and see if Wade has added the accolades. Because I'm pretty sure that Kobe didn't have 8 all NBA 1st team selections by his 7th year!!!

[Blackfyre]

He had two first team awards plus two defensive first team selections which is still better than what Wade has done (not to mention is his first two years Kobe was bench player and it doesn't even seem to be fair to compare the two)

[SDChargers#1]

Ahh yes, the whole discrediting championships by naming career role player Robert Horry.

Horry is arguably the greatest role player of all time, BECAUSE of the championships.

When comparing SIMILAR players championships matter.

Also, I realize Kobe has been in the league longer. Once again, I was responding to "I like to wait till things actually happen before I give credit to it."

[jaypo]

GTFOH with that man.[/quote]

I'm not going to take anything away from Wade's finals performance. It was amazing, one of the best ever.

But you keep ignoring who he was playing. Kobe has been to the finals 7 times, and EVERY SINGLE TIME, he played a defense that was WAY better than that Mavericks team. As I said, Kobe put up 62 in 3 quarters against THAT VERY MAVERICKS TEAM. It isn't out of comprehension to imagine Kobe dominating them in a finals series.

Is it a guarantee? No, but Kobe would have definitely had his greatest finals performance ever if he had the luxury of playing the Mavs in the finals.[/quote]

Yeah, that Nets team was friggin' outstanding! Or was it the 76ers?[/quote]

Both teams were better defensively than the Mavericks.D

id you start watching basketball after 2006?

You're not even a Shaq fan. You're a pure Kobe hater. Nothing you have said yet is a valid argument.[/quote]


Wow. There is so much wrong here that I honestly don't know where to start. Okay. That is honestly the 1st time someone has claimed that I am not a fan of Shaq. And the 1st time anyone has accused me of not watching the game before 2006. That's usually what I accuse people of!

But here goes. I started watching the game actually the 1st time my dad took me to see Pistol Pete on the New Orleans Jazz (I was born and raised about 56 miles South of New Orleans) I was born in 1974, and Pistol played with the Jazz from 74 to 80, and I saw him in person (I remember watching that game) around 79. And I remember watching Magic and Bird go at it with my dad screaming at the TV. So, yeah, I've seen some games!

Not a fan of Shaq, huh? Well I'm staring at my autographed picture of Shaq at midcourt in a Orlando Magic uni on my credenza at work. I followed his career since he went coast to coast at the McDonald's All American game with Dickie V screaming "Are you kidding me? That's a 7 footer!!!" I followed his career at LSU (since most of my friends and my wife went there the same years SHaq did), and I've followed his entire NBA career. So it's safe to say I'm a fan.

Kobe hater. Ok. I STILL own the 1st version of the KB8's that I bought his rookie season (They've been demoted to grass cutting shoes because of their age). I bought 2 pairs at the same time. I followed his career from Lower Merion HS. I was absolutely amazed at him on the court from 1996 to 2003. I still think he's the best overall player since MJ. But I don't let his play cloud reality. He is also a selfish ballhog that has to have his way or sabatoges things. I say these things because the facts back them up. I don't have personal feelings for him either way anymore. I don't like him nor dislike him. I don't have any emotional attachment to him, unlike most of the people around here. I enjoy his game, but I don't think too highly of him as a person for what he did to the dynasty and what he did in his personal life. So to say I am a "Kobe hater" just makes you look stupid. Because I don't hate anybody (except people that inflict terror on others). I just don't kiss his butt. AND I point out things that he has done wrong, which pisses a bunch of you guys off!

[Vincent 666]

But I don't let his play cloud reality. He is also a selfish ballhog that has to have his way or sabatoges things. I say these things because the facts back them up.

Never happened.

You're a Kobe hater.

Its not like its only one poster calling you out for your crap.

[jaypo]

Ahh yes, the whole discrediting championships by naming career role player Robert Horry.

Horry is arguably the greatest role player of all time, BECAUSE of the championships.

When comparing SIMILAR players championships matter.

Also, I realize Kobe has been in the league longer. Once again, I was responding to "I like to wait till things actually happen before I give credit to it."

AHHHH, in direct response to you discrediting a player's value by using faulty logic! To say someone with 14 years worth of accolades is better than someone with half the time played is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Say Wade goes on to win the next 4 titles in a row and adds All NBA selections for the next 8 years. How would that crow taste???

[jaypo]

But I don't let his play cloud reality. He is also a selfish ballhog that has to have his way or sabatoges things. I say these things because the facts back them up.

Never happened.

You're a Kobe hater.

Its not like its only one poster calling you out for your crap.

Never happened? And you accuse ME of revising history? Need I remind you about the game he refused to shoot in because a reporter hurt his feelings? Oh, it never happened, right???

Vincent, you are Dave Chappelle funny!

[Vincent 666]

But I don't let his play cloud reality. He is also a selfish ballhog that has to have his way or sabatoges things. I say these things because the facts back them up.

Never happened.

You're a Kobe hater.

Its not like its only one poster calling you out for your crap.

Never happened? And you accuse ME of revising history? Need I remind you about the game he refused to shoot in because a reporter hurt his feelings? Oh, it never happened, right???
!

so now you're inside Kobes head and can tell us why he did or didnt shoot in a game

the way you interpret events around Kobe and the adjectives you use is simply ridiculous.

its like me saying shaq sabotaged the 04 finals and played 'sefishly" by not rebounding and blocking shots. Same type of logic.

[SDChargers#1]

Ahh yes, the whole discrediting championships by naming career role player Robert Horry.

Horry is arguably the greatest role player of all time, BECAUSE of the championships.

When comparing SIMILAR players championships matter.

Also, I realize Kobe has been in the league longer. Once again, I was responding to "I like to wait till things actually happen before I give credit to it."

AHHHH, in direct response to you discrediting a player's value by using faulty logic! To say someone with 14 years worth of accolades is better than someone with half the time played is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Say Wade goes on to win the next 4 titles in a row and adds All NBA selections for the next 8 years. How would that crow taste???

It wouldn't taste like anything because I wouldn't be eating crow. The poster said....

"I like to wait till things actually happen before I give credit to it."

Hence me listing their accomplishments because THOSE HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED. I never said Wade couldn't accomplish those things.

You really need to read the subject of the discussion.

[jaypo]

Never happened.

You're a Kobe hater.

Its not like its only one poster calling you out for your crap.[/quote]

Never happened? And you accuse ME of revising history? Need I remind you about the game he refused to shoot in because a reporter hurt his feelings? Oh, it never happened, right???
![/quote]


so now you're inside Kobes head and can tell us why he did or didnt shoot in a game

the way you interpret events around Kobe and the adjectives you use is simply ridiculous.

its like me saying shaq sabotaged the 04 finals and played 'sefishly" by not rebounding and blocking shots.[/quote

Do you honestly believe yourself, Vincent? The whole civilized world was commenting on it! Yet, you expect me to change my mind because somebody on a random chat board who obviously drooling in love with Kobe and has "666" in his handle thinks it isn't true? Dude, you need to lay off the sauce! And to back it up because Shaq didn't outrebound the league's rebounding leader? Or have that many opportunities to block shots because it was the guards and forwards that took perimeter shots that torched the Lakers?

Vincent, I think everybody in here would agree that you need some help. Or a hug. Or to stay off the drugs. Because it's ok to admit that your boyfriend has done some wrong things. Everybody does! Nobody's perfect. Not even Kobe Bean. I know it hurts you to say that. But it's true! Now, try to come to grips with that.

[Chosen01]

He had two first team awards plus two defensive first team selections which is still better than what Wade has done (not to mention is his first two years Kobe was bench player and it doesn't even seem to be fair to compare the two)

All defensive team awards are a repuation contest, Wade was obviously snubbed in in 08 when he recored 200 steals 100 blks averaging 2.2spg 1.3bpg as a 6'4 guard.

Kudos for comparing one's accomplishments who has been in the league 14 years to another who's been in the league 7 years.

And I guess Wade was supposed to be playing through a dislocated shoulder, because you only the tougher plays can.. /sarcasm

It was merely a response to the "I like to wait till things actually happen before I give credit to it" line.

Wade dislocated his shoulder one season (what about the other times that he missed extended time). Or every other season of his career where he had to miss games (Wade has missed 5 games or more every year of his career). Kobe on the other hand has missed less than that EIGHT times in his career.

Are you really going to argue that Wade is tougher than Kobe?

Wade rookie got injured in the middle of the year forgot what it was.

Sophmore Wade sat out few games before the playoffs..

06-08 Wade shoulder dislocated, opted not to do surgery so he could play in the playoffs, Wade obviously wasn't himself and played the bulls and got swept. After playoffs he did surgery had to wait until it healed, missed games through 08.Shoulder injury was still lingering Heat terminated Wade so he could rehab for the next season because heat tanked, shaq quit on team and was traded

09 Wade missed 2 games to rest before playoffs..

10 Wade missed few games to rest before playoffs..

[jaypo]

Chosen1- I disagree. Shaq dove into the scorer's table and hurt his ass while playing on a bad knee. The Heat staff misdiagnosed his injury. So he hurt himself on a hustle play while playing on a bad knee. I wouldn't exactly call that "quitting on a team".

[jaypo]

And to Vincent- I'm done with you for now. I no longer need to try to show others how ridiculous you are. You do so every time you post something! But if you want to keep making people laugh, keep it up. I'm sure they appreciate it.

[KING JAMES1978]

Shaq won with Wade and he wasn't at his prime..
Prime Shaq with Wade=scary.
Also Wade is better teammate than Kobe.
Shaq/Wade.Proven duo and Shaq not at his prime!

[Vincent 666]

Do you honestly believe yourself, Vincent? The whole civilized world was commenting on it! Yet, you expect me to change my mind because somebody on a random chat board who obviously drooling in love with Kobe and has "666" in his handle thinks it isn't true?

So you continue to let other people think for you and believe something to be true because other people repeat it enough times? Interesting.

Dude, you need to lay off the sauce! And to back it up because Shaq didn't outrebound the league's rebounding leader?

its not just a matter of outrrebounding the leagues top rebounder. Its about looking at Shaqs rebounding performance that series. He was very bad in 3 of those games that series, more than half the series.

And Wallace got 22 rebounds and 12 offensive on Shaq in game 5. Wallace did not average 22 rebounds a game. He had more offensive rebounds than Shaq had total that game.

Or have that many opportunities to block shots because it was the guards and forwards that took perimeter shots that torched the Lakers?

is that how you;re spinning Shaqs 3 total blocks for the series? Kind of funny considering that a large reason for the open perimeter jump shots the Pistons got was because of the way Shaq guarded the pick and roll.

Vincent, I think everybody in here would agree that you need some help. Or a hug. Or to stay off the drugs. Because it's ok to admit that your boyfriend has done some wrong things. Everybody does! Nobody's perfect. Not even Kobe Bean. I know it hurts you to say that. But it's true! Now, try to come to grips with that.

Nobody here hates on Shaq the way you hate on Kobe.

something to think about.

Game 2........7 rebounds.......1 block
Game 3........8 rebounds.......0 blocks
Game 5........8 rebounds.......0 blocks.........Shaqs man 22 rebounds.

3 total blocks for the series.

Yeah but Kobe was the sole reason the Lakers lost that series

I guess Shaq sabotaged the 04 finals and played selfishly by not rebounding and blocking shots. All im doing is applying the same type of logic on Shaq that you use on Kobe.

[Chosen01]

Chosen1- I disagree. Shaq dove into the scorer's table and hurt his ass while playing on a bad knee. The Heat staff misdiagnosed his injury. So he hurt himself on a hustle play while playing on a bad knee. I wouldn't exactly call that "quitting on a team".

Somewhat, If you remember Shaq and RIley had some beef and criticized him for making him play with teammates in Quinn and Ricky, either way Shaq wasn't happy/motivated, I guess wouldn't blame him too much, he obviously proved he still had some left when he played in PHX.