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[Camelo Thread Part 6] - Update: NJ tries again Pg. 71

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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#261 » by GONYK » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:45 am

bokiloki wrote:carmelo is not goin to new york if you only willing to trade one of thes guys, gallinari, fields, chandler. No way its gonna happen. so just forget about it.these three guys combined are no where near as talented as carmelo by himself. so what make you think your gonna get carmelo only trading one of them.

Because Denver has no leverage because they can't trade him anywhere else and they don't want to get Bosh'd.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#262 » by Jitpal » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:47 am

Eh, I doubt it's anything but Tommy Dee tweeted this a couple hours ago. If someone wants to tune in, maybe he says something we don't already know.

Don't expect a Melo trade if they lose. Trust me, they are playing it right. Will explain more tomorrow am with my friend @marcmalusis
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#263 » by GONYK » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:50 am

Jitpal wrote:Eh, I doubt it's anything but Tommy Dee tweeted this a couple hours ago. If someone wants to tune in, maybe he says something we don't already know.

Don't expect a Melo trade if they lose. Trust me, they are playing it right. Will explain more tomorrow am with my friend @marcmalusis
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Who is the "they"? Us or Denver?
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#264 » by Jitpal » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:51 am

GONYK wrote:
Jitpal wrote:Eh, I doubt it's anything but Tommy Dee tweeted this a couple hours ago. If someone wants to tune in, maybe he says something we don't already know.

Don't expect a Melo trade if they lose. Trust me, they are playing it right. Will explain more tomorrow am with my friend @marcmalusis
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Who is the "they"? Us or Denver?

I think he's talking about Donnie. That's what I assumed.
tune in to find out! :roll:
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#265 » by Hitman33 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:25 am

ITGM wrote:Shout out to all the homies who maintained the common sense logic that Melo would improve this team. To all the homies who stuck to their guns even when this team was winning and everyone decided to abandoned the Melo trade idea, the true knowledgable basketball fans never wavered.

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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#266 » by GotItNow » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:32 am

AllanHoustonFan wrote:so basically nugs/cavs/nets have agreed in principal to a trade that lands melo in NJ. However, it seems Melo has yet to agree to the extension otherwise it would have happened already.


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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#267 » by duetta » Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:06 pm

ITGM wrote:Shout out to all the homies who maintained the common sense logic that Melo would improve this team. To all the homies who stuck to their guns even when this team was winning and everyone decided to abandoned the Melo trade idea, the true knowledgable basketball fans never wavered.

Pharmcat I see you homey
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#268 » by Knicker23 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:59 pm

haha there's nothing wrong with liking / enjoying the way our team is playing as currently constituted... defeating the thunder and the like is a big feat for this team... but i'd never be one after a good win to make the 'we don't need melo' threads that always pop up, because we do...

We have some great pieces and the chemistry always looks good, but a win against elite team or not, the Knicks rank doesn't change unless the talent improves or is built upon [with a C and or Melo].. We can very well catch the Heat on an off night and win, or an injured Celtics team with no big men and beat them, or a bulls team with no Noah [though I still think we are as good as the bulls], but it doesn't change the team we have..

Melo isn't going to be some savior and lead us straight to a championship, but you better believe if we have him here we have a much better shot against Celtics Heat types, as well as [and perhaps more importantly] against a healthy Bulls team or Magic squad.. we also don't see stupid losses to the Cavs on off nights when Amare Melo and Felton are on our team together...

The idea of trading 2 of the 3 [Gallo Chandler Fields] has grown on me, but i'd still say Gallo Curry AR and whatever else we can throw in before...I'd imagine it's going to be a multi-team deal though so it won't be as cut and dry, which could be a good thing.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#269 » by moocow007 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:32 pm

Staruk wrote:I'm torn as hell on whether or not we should blow this up to get another superstar.

The point made was that Amare/Melo carry themselves like superstars on the court and there is something to be said for that. Not to mention both of them being stars feeding off of each other is a potent combination and will free up the rest of the role players to do their thing.

Tough choice to make.


Unless you believe that Melo would spurn everyone else and (more importantly) that guaranteed contract so he can sign as a FA with the Knicks (in which case Chandler wont' be around and Turiaf likely also won't be around)...ask yourself this...is this team good enough to be legit as is? If not, answer is a lot easier than you think.

Melo and Amare...with Felton in D'Antoni's system would be scary. They would be able to do things that this team right now can't do. AND (for the "oh we gots to have defense or we aints winnin" group) would give D'Antoni more flexibility to actually play defensive role players.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#270 » by Knicksfan20 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:13 pm

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Staruk wrote:I'm torn as hell on whether or not we should blow this up to get another superstar.

The point made was that Amare/Melo carry themselves like superstars on the court and there is something to be said for that. Not to mention both of them being stars feeding off of each other is a potent combination and will free up the rest of the role players to do their thing.

Tough choice to make.


Unless you believe that Melo would spurn everyone else and (more importantly) that guaranteed contract so he can sign as a FA with the Knicks (in which case Chandler wont' be around and Turiaf likely also won't be around)...ask yourself this...is this team good enough to be legit as is? If not, answer is a lot easier than you think.

Melo and Amare...with Felton in D'Antoni's system would be scary. They would be able to do things that this team right now can't do. AND (for the "oh we gots to have defense or we aints winnin" group) would give D'Antoni more flexibility to actually play defensive role players.



Not good enough to win a chip without Turiaf and Chandler. Unless Randolph and Gallo step up huge next season.

Id rather trade Gallo, only because i am seeing huge signs of Wilson Chandler becoming a great player. Chandler is the better of the two and no longer has a flaw in his game. All around, wilson is a great player.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#271 » by Falstaffxx » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:27 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Staruk wrote:I'm torn as hell on whether or not we should blow this up to get another superstar.

The point made was that Amare/Melo carry themselves like superstars on the court and there is something to be said for that. Not to mention both of them being stars feeding off of each other is a potent combination and will free up the rest of the role players to do their thing.

Tough choice to make.


Unless you believe that Melo would spurn everyone else and (more importantly) that guaranteed contract so he can sign as a FA with the Knicks (in which case Chandler wont' be around and Turiaf likely also won't be around)...ask yourself this...is this team good enough to be legit as is? If not, answer is a lot easier than you think.

Melo and Amare...with Felton in D'Antoni's system would be scary. They would be able to do things that this team right now can't do. AND (for the "oh we gots to have defense or we aints winnin" group) would give D'Antoni more flexibility to actually play defensive role players.



Not good enough to win a chip without Turiaf and Chandler. Unless Randolph and Gallo step up huge next season.

Id rather trade Gallo, only because i am seeing huge signs of Wilson Chandler becoming a great player. Chandler is the better of the two and no longer has a flaw in his game. All around, wilson is a great player.


But you can get Carmelo and then make some more moves in the offseason. It's not about "what deal for Carmelo leaves us with the pieces to be an immediate title contender?" It's about "what's the best-value deal we can make for Carmelo that will leave us with enough future flexibility to build on the Amar'e/Melo/Felton core?
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#272 » by Pharmcat » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:35 pm

Knicker23 wrote:haha there's nothing wrong with liking / enjoying the way our team is playing as currently constituted... defeating the thunder and the like is a big feat for this team... but i'd never be one after a good win to make the 'we don't need melo' threads that always pop up, because we do...

We have some great pieces and the chemistry always looks good, but a win against elite team or not, the Knicks rank doesn't change unless the talent improves or is built upon [with a C and or Melo].. We can very well catch the Heat on an off night and win, or an injured Celtics team with no big men and beat them, or a bulls team with no Noah [though I still think we are as good as the bulls], but it doesn't change the team we have..

Melo isn't going to be some savior and lead us straight to a championship, but you better believe if we have him here we have a much better shot against Celtics Heat types, as well as [and perhaps more importantly] against a healthy Bulls team or Magic squad.. we also don't see stupid losses to the Cavs on off nights when Amare Melo and Felton are on our team together...

The idea of trading 2 of the 3 [Gallo Chandler Fields] has grown on me, but i'd still say Gallo Curry AR and whatever else we can throw in before...I'd imagine it's going to be a multi-team deal though so it won't be as cut and dry, which could be a good thing.


gallo is a textbook definition of a role player: he shows up sometimes, isnt consistent, cant rely on him...he should be the first to go of the young players
2nd is fields, simply b/c den has no need for chandler cuz he a FA after this season

curry/fields/gallo, get it done
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#273 » by Li'l Penny » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:45 pm

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/nuggets_extension_make_one_more_pCW46jEarfOFr7RPKqrdPP
ESPN.com reports that the team will give their now fully-healthy lineup a few weeks “to jell” before pitching Anthony a final time on the three-year, $65 million extension that has been on the table since the summer. The 17-13 Nuggets had Kenyon Martin back in the lineup for the time this season on Dec. 22 and when Anthony returns to the team — expected to be on Saturday following his sister’s death — they will have their projected lineup on the floor for the first time all season. If Anthony resists they will increase their efforts to trade the superstar.

The Nets remain the favorite and the Knicks remain Anthony’s favorite, but other teams that would be willing to rent Anthony for the season could jump in the mix. The website lists the Rockets, Mavericks and Bobcats as three possibilities with Houston having the ability to offer the most tantalizing package.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#274 » by mhev35 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:57 pm

Via Broussard
Dallas doesn't have much to offer besides expiring contracts, but Houston has the young talent (Jordan Hill, Chase Budinger), expiring contracts and draft picks the Nuggets covet. The Rockets, who have won 10 of their past 13 games, feel confident they would be able to convince Anthony to sign long-term with them once he was part of their team. Denver is trying to put Al Harrington and his five-year, $33 million deal into any trade it makes for Anthony.


Surprise?
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#275 » by Fat Kat » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:05 pm

mhev35 wrote:Via Broussard
Dallas doesn't have much to offer besides expiring contracts, but Houston has the young talent (Jordan Hill, Chase Budinger), expiring contracts and draft picks the Nuggets covet. The Rockets, who have won 10 of their past 13 games, feel confident they would be able to convince Anthony to sign long-term with them once he was part of their team. Denver is trying to put Al Harrington and his five-year, $33 million deal into any trade it makes for Anthony.


Surprise?


That is indicative of truly incompetent management. Why did they sign him in the first place? Did they not know his game? Good luck pawning that 5 year deal on someone.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#276 » by Li'l Penny » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:07 pm

They signed Free Candy to convince Melo to stay and obviously that didn't work
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Post#277 » by mhev35 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:19 pm

Also, how do people really think that the young talent of Houston (Budinger, Hill) is better then what we have? Any one of Chandler, Gallo or Fields is better than either of those guys. As bad as Douglas has been I also think hes been better than Budinger this year who has been just turrible. I guess they do have the picks but how could u say they have the young talent with those guys, but we have nobody that anyone would be interested in?
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Post#278 » by knickabocker88 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:37 pm

According to sources, the New York Mets are on the verge of acquiring Carmelo Anthony for Ed Hearn, Pat Zachary and Rico Brogna


:o :o :o

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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: New Suitors! Part 6 

Post#279 » by Gregory151 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:39 pm

knickabocker88 wrote:
According to sources, the New York Mets are on the verge of acquiring Carmelo Anthony for Ed Hearn, Pat Zachary and Rico Brogna


:o :o :o

http://twitter.com/BrandonTierney/statu ... 6743851008

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Post#280 » by Justdatdude » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:42 pm

mhev35 wrote:Also, how do people really think that the young talent of Houston (Budinger, Hill) is better then what we have? Any one of Chandler, Gallo or Fields is better than either of those guys. As bad as Douglas has been I also think hes been better than Budinger this year who has been just turrible. I guess they do have the picks but how could u say they have the young talent with those guys, but we have nobody that anyone would be interested in?


Why do people keep talking about this? Its like people didn't understand the answer the first, second or third time. The Knicks don't have the young talent that interest Denver. Look at the Knicks young pieces, look at the Nuggets team. They do not go together. Can we please move on from this and stop asking the same question. If we get Carmelo, its because Denver was forced into a corner. Not because we came even halfway close to having the best deal.

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