The Official Rap/Hip Hop Thread

[HEZI]

Not really sure how someone can classify one type of hip-hop as "real" and the other one "fake." The rapper's background doesn't mean that he doesn't rap well...Rick Ross is one of the most fake rappers out there, but he still makes pretty good music. Why do people make such a big deal about the person's background? The only thing I can understand people not liking about a rapper is if he doesn't write his own lyrics...but then again, if the music is good, that's all I care about.

On Lowkey --> not a fan...

A persons background tells a lot about their trajectory to fame

Whats good music? How can you call Rick Ross fake and at the same time say he makes good music?

I listen to music so I can relate and feel out the story the person is telling, so how can I say he makes good music when I know hes fake?

[barnett114]

Rick Ross

[bigfnjoe96]

FIRE.....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffryyLUX4Ws[/youtube]

[HEZI]

Rick Ross (who is a member of the CIA and used as a spy)

Wrong Rick Ross your talking about. Rick Ross the rapper is a former police man.

Thats what you have been lead to believe

You guys do know that the only way for a black man to get that rich in today's society is by selling out something, right? Rick Ross is not real, he is used to infiltrate the Hip Hop community to spy on other rappers and to spy on other wealthy businessmen in a plot to take them down for the benefit of themselves getting richer.

[barnett114]

Rick Ross (who is a member of the CIA and used as a spy)

Wrong Rick Ross your talking about. Rick Ross the rapper is a former police man.

Thats what you have been lead to believe

You guys do know that the only way for a black man to get that rich in today's society is by selling out something, right? Rick Ross is not real, he is used to infiltrate the Hip Hop community to spy on other rappers and to spy on other wealthy businessmen in a plot to take them down for the benefit of themselves getting richer.

I posted Rick Ross police pictures above.

Freeway Ricky Ross is the drug dealer

[ManualRam]

Ok enough of freestyles you kids dont know what this dude really does in the studio

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naNxVih9-88&feature=channel[/youtube]

thats 'Orrible and boring.
i hate british accents in hip-hop...other than like...ummm lewis parker, but his isnt that bad and hes producing more than hes rapping.

anyways, i just discovered this guy like last week and he shts on all your favorite rappers.
excuse the jacked beats. this is like his first recorded project ever.

http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/hi-a
http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/roq-on-acid
http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/un ... management

and another one.
vis major
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZanogRGnMPo[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5U9C5mqBI[/youtube]

[HEZI]

I posted Rick Ross police pictures above.

Freeway Ricky Ross is the drug dealer

Dude, I know who Freeway Ricky Ross is and I know who the rapper Rick Ross is and I know the truth behind both of them, but Im not going into further detail about it anymore

[NBA Fan 1234]

Not really sure how someone can classify one type of hip-hop as "real" and the other one "fake." The rapper's background doesn't mean that he doesn't rap well...Rick Ross is one of the most fake rappers out there, but he still makes pretty good music. Why do people make such a big deal about the person's background? The only thing I can understand people not liking about a rapper is if he doesn't write his own lyrics...but then again, if the music is good, that's all I care about.

On Lowkey --> not a fan...

A persons background tells a lot about their trajectory to fame

Whats good music? How can you call Rick Ross fake and at the same time say he makes good music?

I listen to music so I can relate and feel out the story the person is telling, so how can I say he makes good music when I know hes fake?

So people with certain backgrounds only make good music (might be interpreting that wrong...)? Why should it matter if he was rich, poor, made himself, or got some help from other people along the way? Many rappers use other rappers/producers to get their names out.

Ross makes some good music (good beats, features, decent lyrics)...still not one I listen to daily - only listen to certain songs.

If you're asking for my personal taste in rap, I like Kanye, Wale, Lupe, J Cole, Jay Z, XV, Shawn Chrystopher (VERY good rapper...I recommend a listen), Donnis, Eminem (he's been growing on me lately), Jay Electronica, 50 Cent (older stuff...and some unreleased stuff/songs he's been featured on), Yonas (also very good...from NY), Drake, Tinie Tempah, Lil Wayne, B.o.B (mixtape stuff and some mainstream), Lloyd Banks, Fabolous, Kid Cudi (some), Wiz Khalifa, Tupac, Biggy (some), and Dre (don't know MANY songs by him...trying to find more stuff before Detox comes out...if it ever does lol).

I like others as well, but those are my favorites.

I listen to the music because of the beats, lyrics (stories), and just if it sounds good...I can't relate t many, if any, of the songs because I didn't grow up the same way they did. If the rapper does a good job at telling a story, that's great...if he doesn't, but has good lyrics (one-liners) or has good delivery, that's just as good...

I'll admit I can't really go into the specifics of rap as I was not listening to rap (too young) during its "peak" (and I'm just not as educated as others in the history of rap) so the stuff that I listen to/consider "good" is the stuff that I'm used to. To me, music is music...there's hardcore rap and softcore rap...a person's preference is his/her own.

[j4remi]

Haha what the hell? I understand that hip hop is a business and take Eminem for example. When Eminem came out sure he was marketed a certain way to SELL but to say that he's fabricated and his lyrics didn't mean anything is silly. He sold a lot on real themes.

Ofcourse, I will always give Eminem props for some of the real shyt he put out, no doubt about it. In the middle of it all, he still managed to come through with songs like White America and Toy Soldiers and stuff like that which I will never ever try to take away from him.

No, No, No, No, NO. Eminem's SSLP is probably his least fabricated album with only a couple examples of Eminem pandering and creating an image. For that real hip hop and poetry tip, he kicked off If I Had with a spoken word poem. Speaking of If I Had, it's part of a handful of songs where he was clearly venting about real life issues (If I had, Rock Bottom, Bonnie and Clyde). He had stories that were off the wall but well presented both lyrically and constructively speaking (Brain Damage which he got sued over by the bully he was talking about in the song, My Fault, As the World Turns). He had lyrically powerful tracks that didn't seem contrived (Role Model, Still and Just Don't Give a ****)...To me it's his most legitimate and best album because it showed every dimension of his ability. We still haven't seen him approach storytelling raps even close to what he did on his first two LP's (not including Infinite) or the well roundedness on those two albums. It may be that his off the wall stuff became too redundant or it could be that the machine pushed him to use that Slim Shady gimmick more than be real...but each album after he became more of a characature than an artist (Encore being the peak of his losing his identity and everything after being his attempts to get back). Basically, Em didn't start off as a gimmick rapper, they advertised him as the big white rapper and marketed him toward a white audience but he himself was more an artist when he started than he is to this day.

[barnett114]

I posted Rick Ross police pictures above.

Freeway Ricky Ross is the drug dealer

Dude, I know who Freeway Ricky Ross is and I know who the rapper Rick Ross is and I know the truth behind both of them, but Im not going into further detail about it anymore

Where the proof at?

[HEZI]

thats 'Orrible and boring.
i hate british accents in hip-hop...other than like...ummm lewis parker, but his isnt that bad and hes producing more than hes rapping.

anyways, i just discovered this guy like last week and he shts on all your favorite rappers.
excuse the jacked beats. this is like his first recorded project ever.

http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/hi-a
http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/roq-on-acid
http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/un ... management

and another one.
vis major
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZanogRGnMPo[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5U9C5mqBI[/youtube]

You see the difference of direction in the music? Lowkey is a revolutionary rapper who aims at a worldwide audience, while this dude is focusing on only what he sees in his own circle. You gotta take the direction the rapper is going into. I like rappers who relate to everyday events that go on worldwide and not just shyt that happens in their hood. I been in the hood and the ghettos and I know what goes on, everybody is constantly focusing on what only goes in the little world around them, and while many are very talented in painting that picture, at the end of the day the picture tells the same exact story, which is what to me makes it boring.

Expand the direction and it will be less boring, thats what guys like Lowkey and Immortal Technique are good at doing and I can listen to their music and I refuse to listen to these modern day fake gang bangers

[HEZI]

So people with certain backgrounds only make good music (might be interpreting that wrong...)? Why should it matter if he was rich, poor, made himself, or got some help from other people along the way? Many rappers use other rappers/producers to get their names out.

Ross makes some good music (good beats, features, decent lyrics)...still not one I listen to daily - only listen to certain songs.

If you're asking for my personal taste in rap, I like Kanye, Wale, Lupe, J Cole, Jay Z, XV, Shawn Chrystopher (VERY good rapper...I recommend a listen), Donnis, Eminem (he's been growing on me lately), Jay Electronica, 50 Cent (older stuff...and some unreleased stuff/songs he's been featured on), Yonas (also very good...from NY), Drake, Tinie Tempah, Lil Wayne, B.o.B (mixtape stuff and some mainstream), Lloyd Banks, Fabolous, Kid Cudi (some), Wiz Khalifa, Tupac, Biggy (some), and Dre (don't know MANY songs by him...trying to find more stuff before Detox comes out...if it ever does lol).

I like others as well, but those are my favorites.

I listen to the music because of the beats, lyrics (stories), and just if it sounds good...I can't relate t many, if any, of the songs because I didn't grow up the same way they did. If the rapper does a good job at telling a story, that's great...if he doesn't, but has good lyrics (one-liners) or has good delivery, that's just as good...

I'll admit I can't really go into the specifics of rap as I was not listening to rap (too young) during its "peak" (and I'm just not as educated as others in the history of rap) so the stuff that I listen to/consider "good" is the stuff that I'm used to. To me, music is music...there's hardcore rap and softcore rap...a person's preference is his/her own.

See the difference between you and I is that I listen to music to hear it out while you listen to listen. I used to be just like you, then I started learning more and more about what really goes on in the music industry and how these guys really become famous, and that instantly killed my view on them and their music. I guess you wont know what Im talking about until one day you find out for yourself.

[HEZI]

No, No, No, No, NO. Eminem's SSLP is probably his least fabricated album with only a couple examples of Eminem pandering and creating an image. For that real hip hop and poetry tip, he kicked off If I Had with a spoken word poem. Speaking of If I Had, it's part of a handful of songs where he was clearly venting about real life issues (If I had, Rock Bottom, Bonnie and Clyde). He had stories that were off the wall but well presented both lyrically and constructively speaking (Brain Damage which he got sued over by the bully he was talking about in the song, My Fault, As the World Turns). He had lyrically powerful tracks that didn't seem contrived (Role Model, Still and Just Don't Give a ****)...To me it's his most legitimate and best album because it showed every dimension of his ability. We still haven't seen him approach storytelling raps even close to what he did on his first two LP's (not including Infinite) or the well roundedness on those two albums. It may be that his off the wall stuff became too redundant or it could be that the machine pushed him to use that Slim Shady gimmick more than be real...but each album after he became more of a characature than an artist (Encore being the peak of his losing his identity and everything after being his attempts to get back). Basically, Em didn't start off as a gimmick rapper, they advertised him as the big white rapper and marketed him toward a white audience but he himself was more an artist when he started than he is to this day.

Just so you know, those songs you just mentioned were purposely used because they wanted kids to hear it and self destruct. I know Eminem wrote those from his heart, but at that time he didnt know that it was being used to cause self destruction to the kids that would hear it. Listen to todays Eminem, he will tell you he regrets doing those songs because not until Proof got shot did he find out how much impact his music had on todays society. He thought he was just pouring his heart out, but reality was they were using his pain and struggle to infect the brains of his listeners and cause self destruction.

Anybody can rap about crazy shyt like what Em was rappin about, but there are guys who simply refuse to do so because they know how messages can be missunderstood and taken the wrong way so they refuse to do it. Thats all Im saying.

Eminem is one of the best to ever do it, but honestly if you take away his self destructing poetry, what do you really have?

[ManualRam]

thats 'Orrible and boring.
i hate british accents in hip-hop...other than like...ummm lewis parker, but his isnt that bad and hes producing more than hes rapping.

anyways, i just discovered this guy like last week and he shts on all your favorite rappers.
excuse the jacked beats. this is like his first recorded project ever.

http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/hi-a
http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/roq-on-acid
http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/un ... management

and another one.
vis major
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZanogRGnMPo[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5U9C5mqBI[/youtube]

You see the difference of direction in the music? Lowkey is a revolutionary rapper who aims at a worldwide audience, while this dude is focusing on only what he sees in his own circle. You gotta take the direction the rapper is going into. I like rappers who relate to everyday events that go on worldwide and not just shyt that happens in their hood. I been in the hood and the ghettos and I know what goes on, everybody is constantly focusing on what only goes in the little world around them, and while many are very talented in painting that picture, at the end of the day the picture tells the same exact story, which is what to me makes it boring.

Expand the direction and it will be less boring, thats what guys like Lowkey and Immortal Technique are good at doing and I can listen to their music and I refuse to listen to these modern day fake gang bangers

you didnt listen.

just for you

http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/un ... management
http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/katrinageist

lowkey is boring and sucks at rapping. he can have a worldly message, but it doesnt matter if aesthetically he's snooze inducing. he's like a talib kweli who tries to "educate" but in reality isnt saying sht new..all done in boring ass A-B A-B rhyme schemes.

lol at immortal technique. dude's just misinformed, paranoid and angry. plus his ear for beats is horrible...as is his ear for rhythm. he also has no idea how to count bars. hes better off hanging up the mic and becoming alex jones' wing man.

[HEZI]

Where the proof at?

Its out there, go and find it

[barnett114]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGbIpCJnmc0[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIlHDMFbPeg&feature=related[/youtube]

[HEZI]

you didnt listen.

just for you

http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/un ... management
http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/katrinageist

lowkey is boring and sucks at rapping. he can have a worldly message, but it doesnt matter if aesthetically he's snooze inducing. he's like a talib kweli who tries to "educate" but in reality isnt saying sht new..all done in boring ass A-B A-B rhyme schemes.

lol at immortal technique. dude's just misinformed, paranoid and angry. plus his ear for beats is horrible...as is his ear for rhythm. he also has no idea how to count bars. hes better off hanging up the mic and becoming alex jones' wing man.

Technique is constantly taking trips overseas and taking trips to help aid 3rd world countries who need hands on support, yet hes misinformed, paranoid and angry?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igt-jW4e8ts[/youtube]

[ManualRam]

you didnt listen.

just for you

http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/un ... management
http://roqytyraid.bandcamp.com/track/katrinageist

lowkey is boring and sucks at rapping. he can have a worldly message, but it doesnt matter if aesthetically he's snooze inducing. he's like a talib kweli who tries to "educate" but in reality isnt saying sht new..all done in boring ass A-B A-B rhyme schemes.

lol at immortal technique. dude's just misinformed, paranoid and angry. plus his ear for beats is horrible...as is his ear for rhythm. he also has no idea how to count bars. hes better off hanging up the mic and becoming alex jones' wing man.

Technique is constantly taking trips overseas and taking trips to help aid 3rd world countries who need hands on support, yet hes misinformed, paranoid and angry?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igt-jW4e8ts[/youtube]

yes he is. either that or delusional.

i too went through that stage when i was much younger where i wanted to hear positivity, but in the end i realized that rappers really arent saying sht. i came to the conclusion that it didnt matter what they said, its how they say it...and if what they said it over moved me.
in the end, its entertainment. its ok to be entertained by crime dramas, tales of debauchery or violent flicks. if you feel the need to be educated or enlightened by hip-hop then you need to open up a book. educate yourself.

[HEZI]

yes he is. either that or delusional.

i too went through that stage when i was much younger where i wanted to hear positivity, but in the end i realized that rappers really arent saying sht. i came to the conclusion that it didnt matter what they said, its how they say it...and if what they said it over moved me.
in the end, its entertainment. its ok to be entertained by crime dramas, tales of debauchery or violent flicks. if you feel the need to be educated or enlightened by hip-hop then you need to open up a book. educate yourself.

All your doing right now is proving the dude right in everything he talks about

How many trips did you take to Haiti to help out the victims of the earthquake? How many trips did you take to Iraq and Afghanistan to help out the victims of the war? How many trips did you take to South America to help out villages of those without jobs and food and shelter?

Hes delusional? He actually doing something about the events taking place in the world and not just rapping about the stuff he sees going on. If you choose to only listen to music for entertainment, theres nothing wrong with that, but to call somebody delusional, paranoid and angry when they are doing more to help the world than anybody here combined is asinine.

Then you got the nerve to tell somebody to read a book

Read the Quran then talk to me about reading books

[HEZI]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA_xXWSXyFI&feature=related[/youtube]

Misinformed, paranoid and angry

STFU