Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[Hoopalotta]

I'll get laughed at for this trade idea, but I'll say it anyway:
Blatche and filler (Thornton) to Portly for Oden and Donald Williams. Yes, the odds are against Oden ever staying healthy, but you hedge the bet. He's an RFA, and what you do is re-sign him to a 1 year deal to give him a chance to rehab his value. Then, you have the inside track in re-signing him long-term. If he's healthy, he's likely the 2nd best big in the NBA - that's why you take the chance. His per 40 minute stats from last season are 1st team all-starish. If he doesn't make it back next season, ya cut your ties and have more cap room. In the meantime, you get 2 or 3 cheap seasons of Donald Williams - who can run with Wall and be an excellent 3rd guard.

Forget Donald Williams - we hold out for Elliot Cunningham or no deal.

[kirubel94]

i can use that pizza to see booker play more!

[dangermouse]

the pepperoni... its so perfectly circular.... and placed so evenly

i think we may need to throw in a future first.

[Ruzious]

I'll get laughed at for this trade idea, but I'll say it anyway:
Blatche and filler (Thornton) to Portly for Oden and Donald Williams. Yes, the odds are against Oden ever staying healthy, but you hedge the bet. He's an RFA, and what you do is re-sign him to a 1 year deal to give him a chance to rehab his value. Then, you have the inside track in re-signing him long-term. If he's healthy, he's likely the 2nd best big in the NBA - that's why you take the chance. His per 40 minute stats from last season are 1st team all-starish. If he doesn't make it back next season, ya cut your ties and have more cap room. In the meantime, you get 2 or 3 cheap seasons of Donald Williams - who can run with Wall and be an excellent 3rd guard.

Forget Donald Williams - we hold out for Elliot Cunningham or no deal.

Oops, I meant Elliot Williams.

Btw, Cunningham stinks. Williams can be good.

[LyricalRico]

After watching Blatche the last few games i have a trade idea.

Blatche straight up for....

Damn that pizza looks good.

[LyricalRico]

Another Blatche trade idea...

Wizards trade: Blatche and Yi
Wizards receive: Diaw and Henry

Grizzlies trade: Thabeet and Henry
Grizzlies receive: Blatche

Bobcats trade: Diaw
Bobcats receive: Biedrins

Warriors trade: Biedrins
Warriors receive: Yi and Thabeet

Strictly cost cutting by Golden State, Charlotte upgrades at center, Memphis replaces Randolph without adding salary, and Washington gets a vet PF with a high IQ plus their SF of the future.

[closg00]

Dalembert for Hinrich and Howard

* SAC wants a PG alternative to U-man and Kirk is servicable while being an expiring the following year.

* Wiz get to try-out Dalembert as a running-mate with Wall, we could even waive Neck
* Wiz Sign Miles for the remainder of the year

Samuel Dalembert's stay in Sacramento has been short and anything but sweet. The Kings center has been injured, frustrated about the style of play and, of late, more than mildly upset about his diminishing role. If he isn't exactly demanding a trade, his agent, Marc Cornstein, is in town seeking clarification of his client's role – and is more than a little receptive to a relocation. "They have to let me know which direction they want to go," Dalembert said. "They know what I do best. I block shots, rebound, get us in the fast break. Am I going to play the next five years in a place that is a contender, or am I going to be here, helping this team get better? It's up to them.

[GhostsOfGil]

Dalembert for Hinrich and Howard

* SAC wants a PG alternative to U-man and Kirk is servicable while being an expiring the following year.

* Wiz get to try-out Dalembert as a running-mate with Wall, we could even waive Neck
* Wiz Sign Miles for the remainder of the year

Samuel Dalembert's stay in Sacramento has been short and anything but sweet. The Kings center has been injured, frustrated about the style of play and, of late, more than mildly upset about his diminishing role. If he isn't exactly demanding a trade, his agent, Marc Cornstein, is in town seeking clarification of his client's role – and is more than a little receptive to a relocation. "They have to let me know which direction they want to go," Dalembert said. "They know what I do best. I block shots, rebound, get us in the fast break. Am I going to play the next five years in a place that is a contender, or am I going to be here, helping this team get better? It's up to them.

i like this. wiz get a huge expiring and free themselves of hinrichs remaining year.

[NiteOwl]

An under utilized player I really like is Jared Dudley. Phoenix just signed him to a super-attractive extension IMO - $4.25 for the next 5 years. He is 25, so that contract will coincide with his prime. He plays hard, doesn't try to do too much and has nice 3 pt range (career 41%).

Phoenix has 11 small forwards on their roster, but this contract signifies their commitment to him. Trying to formulate a deal around Blatche, but Phoenix would need to add salary and someone of additional value. Robin Lopez? A back-up 5 that is an upgrade over Neck, but pretty close to his ceiling at this point, but has only one more year left on his rookie deal before a qualifying offer is necessary. He could audition for a season and a half. Hakim Warrick? Another back-up at best, but a pretty good player for the second unit. His contract averages $4.5 for the next 3 years. A little rich for what he brings to the court. Pietrus is a nice player as well and would bring a nice defensive edge.

The Wiz would likely need to ship someone else in the deal, Thornton (who totally blows IMO) or Howard maybe?

Just thinking out loud...any thoughts???

Also, if Phoenix decides to move Nash at the deadline, would Hinrich be of interest?

[verbal8]

Dalembert for Hinrich and Howard

* SAC wants a PG alternative to U-man and Kirk is servicable while being an expiring the following year.

* Wiz get to try-out Dalembert as a running-mate with Wall, we could even waive Neck

I like Dalembert in general and I really like him with Wall and some other guys who do well at a fast pace.

I think he would give the Wizards a solid 4/5 rotation with Blatche/McGee and Dalembert. It would mean that McGee would have to play some PF. Giving up Hinrich means the Wizards need a 3rd guard, but those are a lot easier to find than bigs.

[closg00]

An under utilized player I really like is Jared Dudley. Phoenix just signed him to a super-attractive extension IMO - $4.25 for the next 5 years. He is 25, so that contract will coincide with his prime. He plays hard, doesn't try to do too much and has nice 3 pt range (career 41%).

Phoenix has 11 small forwards on their roster, but this contract signifies their commitment to him. Trying to formulate a deal around Blatche, but Phoenix would need to add salary and someone of additional value. Robin Lopez? A back-up 5 that is an upgrade over Neck, but pretty close to his ceiling at this point, but has only one more year left on his rookie deal before a qualifying offer is necessary. He could audition for a season and a half. Hakim Warrick? Another back-up at best, but a pretty good player for the second unit. His contract averages $4.5 for the next 3 years. A little rich for what he brings to the court. Pietrus is a nice player as well and would bring a nice defensive edge.

The Wiz would likely need to ship someone else in the deal, Thornton (who totally blows IMO) or Howard maybe?

Just thinking out loud...any thoughts???

Also, if Phoenix decides to move Nash at the deadline, would Hinrich be of interest?

Re: Lopez
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5631 ... ba#page/10

[pancakes3]

any plausible S&T scenarios for Love involving blatche, shard, draft picks, and filler like flynn??

[Hoopalotta]

any plausible S&T scenarios for Love involving blatche, shard, draft picks, and filler like flynn??

Speculation is that Love might be getting a max offer (of the Gay/Roy variety rather than the Joe Johnson type), so I could see something happening with him heading out from Minny. Still, that's a bit rich for my blood - giving up assets in order to have the right to drop max money on Love?

Shard isn't sweetener in any deal, though.

[LyricalRico]

An under utilized player I really like is Jared Dudley. Phoenix just signed him to a super-attractive extension IMO - $4.25 for the next 5 years. He is 25, so that contract will coincide with his prime. He plays hard, doesn't try to do too much and has nice 3 pt range (career 41%).

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Just thinking out loud...any thoughts???

Also, if Phoenix decides to move Nash at the deadline, would Hinrich be of interest?

I would do something like Blatche+Thornton for Dudley+Warrick. But I think the guy Phoenix would really want to move is Josh Childress. I still can't believe they signed him.

Re: Nash - if the Suns do trade him, they already have their starter in Dragic IMO so Hinrich as a backup could be somewhat attractive. But dealing directly with PHX would mean taking back a longer contract, which I don't want to do. And then if they are going to move Nash, they'd want to go young, which could negate the possibility of a Dudley trade.

Maybe we can make it work as the third team in a Nash deal. Hmmm...

Wizards trade: Hinrich and Blatche
Wizards receive: Dudley, Ford, and Jones

Suns trade: Nash and Dudley
Suns receive: Hinrich, Blatche, and IND first

Pacers trade: Ford, Jones, and first
Pacers receive: Nash

TRADE ID 5800706

We get our young "3&D" SF, plus a defensive wing off the bench and a large expiring. Not perfect but that's all I have for now. I'll keep working on it.

[tontoz]

Over the last 5 games Blatche is averaging 16 shot attempts to score 12.4 ppg. He is killing the offense singlehandedly.

[GhostsOfGil]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... discussed/

[nate33]

Dalembert for Hinrich and Howard

* SAC wants a PG alternative to U-man and Kirk is servicable while being an expiring the following year.

* Wiz get to try-out Dalembert as a running-mate with Wall, we could even waive Neck
* Wiz Sign Miles for the remainder of the year

I'm not feeling this. Dalembert will be available as a free agent this summer, so there's really no need to sacrifice any assets for him.

I'm growing more and more concerned about our "culture of losing" and I'm leery about giving away two vets who actually seem to care just for a little extra cap room this summer. I'd rather just keep Hinrich and Howard. Or, if we decide to truly tank, then trade them for a crappy expiring contract or 2012 contract plus a pick.

Actually, I'd rather just focus on trading our expirings (Yi, Thornton, and maybe Howard) for a crappy 2012 contract and a pick. I'd prefer to keep Hinrich.

[pineappleheadindc]

Nate, our (and I agree it's here) "culture of losing" is - in my mind - the concrete manifestation of what others refer to as "the curse".

We really need a top to bottom scrub of not just personnel (not just talking players, but EVERYONE - trainers, etc) but of the way our people do things, perceive things, accomplish things, pay attention to detail, etc.

[WizarDynasty]

Clippers are loving the play of D.Jordan and some on the board want to trade Kaman. Can we put together an attractive package to possibly grab Kaman from the clippers. i would definitely be willing to throw in 1st round drafts picks. There isn't one two way bigman in this draft at all. The only one listed can't even blocks shots or play defense. Can this trade go down and do we have the assets for the clippers?
link to trade kaman

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1079290 this would be a godsend for the wizard.

[Ed Wood]

Ignoring the fact that Kaman is currently injured and was shooting terribly this year when he was playing I don't think you'd get quite what you're hoping for in The Big Crawl Space. Kaman is a pretty good rebounder, but JaVale this year has been better than Kaman in all but a single year of Kaman's career (07/08, which looks like a fluke year more than anything) but he's not that good of an all-around player. He's only had a well above average PER twice in his career, once in that weird 07/08 year and last year when he was a monster on long jumpers, which is both probably not going to happen reliably for him and doesn't really fit in with your "tough guy, true center, manly man" ideal. Kaman also isn't really all that good defensively, his counterpart PERs are generally poor and he's generally had poor +/- numbers compared to any decent big men on the Clippers roster (Marcus Camby for instance).

I am glad you are not in a position to make good on that first round pick offer, and I don't really want Chris Kaman. He definitely does have BMI on JaVale, and he's uglier, which is a bit of an accomplishment. I don't know what he benches.