Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony

dogrufus · Post #461 » by **dogrufus** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:43 am

Joe Asberry wrote:
If Rose can get Paul to Jersey, they will be fine

A lot of teams would be "fine" if they just magically added a top 5 player for nothing... but how do you figure the Nets being able to do this? These are the most favorable circumstances possible for them. The impending lockout is the only reason Melo isn't just telling the Nuggets and Nets to go screw themselves while he signs with the Knicks. And even then, the Nets are overpaying ridiculously for Melo. How are they supposed to get CP3 to come to their gutted team that will have traded all its assets and be 8th seed at best?

randy424 · Post #462 » by **randy424** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:12 am

carmelo, billups, hamilton, and lopez i think would be a pretty good team! 4th behind miami, boston, and orlando.

Jetset · Post #463 » by **Jetset** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:19 am

randy424 wrote:carmelo, billups, hamilton, and lopez i think would be a pretty good team! 4th behind miami, boston, and orlando.

*coughs* Chicago *sneezes*

Googjob · Post #464 » by **Googjob** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:07 pm

randy424 wrote:carmelo, billups, hamilton, and lopez i think would be a pretty good team! 4th behind miami, boston, and orlando.

That's quite a stretch. It makes them a bottom tier playoff team.

The problem is that this season is almost a wash. By the time they get acclimated, they'd have to make up some serious ground just to sneak in the playoffs. And even if they did, it's going to be against Boston or Miami which they aren't winning.

Moving forward, Rip isn't getting any younger and you're still a year away from being able to get Paul. And even that's no sure thing with the labor agreement looming.

SpeedyG · Post #465 » by **SpeedyG** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:33 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
jzmagik wrote:I'd love to see Denver's GM get burned for trying to get more at the last minute and end up with the Nets backing out completely from their ridiculous shenanigans. I want Denver to lose him in FA and get nothing for him.

trying to get the best deal - like every single other GM for every pro team tries to do - is bad?

and quitting on your team and hurting your own team - like melo is doing - is ok?

yeah..sure. weve done nothing 'ridiculous'. melo, on the other hand, is not acting like a professional (last i checked, the other 99.9% of pro athletes dont do what hes doing)

It's not that they are trying to get more, there is nothing wrong with that. BUT...from all reports, it's that they have been very wishy-washy about this whole deal from the beginning...back in early what? September? October? When all of this started happening?

They are obviously getting a GREAT deal at this point, and they were already getting a GREAT deal when it first came up.

At some point, you need to put your foot down and make a business deal. If you weren't sure whether you wanted to part with Anthony, then they should have backed out of this deal a long time ago instead of continously trying to drag their feet hoping that Anthony will change their minds.

litex · Post #466 » by **litex** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:05 pm

I say this as a Nets fan...

In strict basketball terms, unless this allows us to swing Chris Paul I don't think this is a good trade.

However, the Nets are not in a position to think in "strict basketball teams". We are a bad, losing team that has, apart from a couple years with J-Kidd, virtually always been a bad, losing team. Last year we were one of the worst teams ever, and this year we suck too. The move to Brooklyn represents an opportunity, but will not in itself save us--nobody will want to come to us until we can at least elevate ourselves out of the depths of pure suck.

In other words, we have 3 options for climbing out of this hole...

1.) Win the lottery with a franchise-saving talent
2.) Take a big risk in a trade and have it pay off
3.) Overpay in free agency and have it pay off

And honestly, given how bad we've been and the amount of talent on the top teams in today's NBA, we probably honestly need 2 of these to happen to truly be in a position to win a championship.

This represents option number 2. Giving up too much for Melo in the hopes that he plays out of his mind and/or can eventually bring Chris Paul with him.

Liqourish · Post #467 » by **Liqourish** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:09 pm

Googjob wrote:
randy424 wrote:carmelo, billups, hamilton, and lopez i think would be a pretty good team! 4th behind miami, boston, and orlando.

That's quite a stretch. It makes them a bottom tier playoff team.

The problem is that this season is almost a wash. By the time they get acclimated, they'd have to make up some serious ground just to sneak in the playoffs. And even if they did, it's going to be against Boston or Miami which they aren't winning.

Moving forward, Rip isn't getting any younger and you're still a year away from being able to get Paul. And even that's no sure thing with the labor agreement looming.

If the deal goes through as advertised, Rip and Chaunceys contracts expire just in time for Chris Paul to become a free agent. :wink:

Considering the move to Brooklyn, the hot new billionaire owner, New York marketing, having Melo on the team, etc I don't think it's out of the question that players would be swayed to sign with the Nets in a couple years.

Blackmun · Post #468 » by **Blackmun** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:31 pm

In "a couple of years" Melo will be heading into his twilight years though. And as for New York marketing, it is going to take the Nets several years of success to establish themselves as a New York team.

It seems a lot of people think you can just move the team into New York, and it will magically become embraced by New Yorkers. That just isn`t going to happen.

BrooklynSwag · Post #469 » by **BrooklynSwag** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:40 pm

Blackmun wrote:In "a couple of years" Melo will be heading into his twilight years though. And as for New York marketing, it is going to take the Nets several years of success to establish themselves as a New York team.

It seems a lot of people think you can just move the team into New York, and it will magically become embraced by New Yorkers. That just isn`t going to happen.

this, they wont get any fans in the beginning but if they are very good(better than the Knicks), they will gain ticket purchasing fans in 10 years or so.

Blackmun · Post #470 » by **Blackmun** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:44 pm

Yeah, I think so. Are they going to have some local support in Brooklyn straight away? Probably, yeah. That being said, this whole Ratner project has created some very bad feelings in the local area too.

As for taking away a significant portion of fans from the Knicks, they are going to outperform them for 5-10 years.

I am not opposed to having two basketball teams in New York, but I am not sure the market really wants it. It kinda works in LA because LA is a basketball-first city, but New York definitely is not. Even these days with Amare hyping it up, basketball finds itself behind both baseball and football, and I cannot see that change for the foreseeable future.

BrooklynSwag · Post #471 » by **BrooklynSwag** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:53 pm

Blackmun wrote:Yeah, I think so. Are they going to have some local support in Brooklyn straight away? Probably, yeah. That being said, this whole Ratner project has created some very bad feelings in the local area too.

As for taking away a significant portion of fans from the Knicks, they are going to outperform them for 5-10 years.

I am not opposed to having two basketball teams in New York, but I am not sure the market really wants it. It kinda works in LA because LA is a basketball-first city, but New York definitely is not. Even these days with Amare hyping it up, basketball finds itself behind both baseball and football, and I cannot see that change for the foreseeable future.

Well from the people I know in Brooklyn, they could care less were getting a team since most of us are Knick fans and you know its all nyc. maybe it gets some fans but yeah you hit the nail on the head.

As for the two teams thing, i think that there are a lot of basketball fans here but considering the Giants, Jets and Yankees are elite, while the Knicks have sucked for about 10 years and the Nets are always irrelevant, its hard to make them the top story. When the Knicks become good I think that changes. I dont think the Nets can get the city buzzing though, so i kinda agree. The city is more spread out in its sports.

Googjob · Post #472 » by **Googjob** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:58 pm

Liqourish wrote:If the deal goes through as advertised, Rip and Chaunceys contracts expire just in time for Chris Paul to become a free agent.

Considering the move to Brooklyn, the hot new billionaire owner, New York marketing, having Melo on the team, etc I don't think it's out of the question that players would be swayed to sign with the Nets in a couple years.

As a Bulls fan, you never want to have to rely on a future free agent to sign with your team. I'm not saying that won't happen, just that you don't build your franchise around the hope that a guy will sign with your team in 2 years. Especially when you have no clue what the labor agreement is going to be.

Post #473 » by **Flash3** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:27 pm

If Melo really does agree to this it's because he wants his guaranteed $$$ before the new CBA comes into effect and changes possibly everything, and he wants to live in the NY/NJ area, even if it's not Manhattan as it's reportedly been said. Waiting it out for free agency is a big risk with the CBA pending and if he wants his $$$, he'll have to agree to this.

BelgianMagic · Post #474 » by **BelgianMagic** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:28 pm

I just hope this Melo-thing will be done very soon .. Either trade him to NJ or NY and get it over with .. I think everyone wants this to be finished. What's the point of waiting? Denver's not gonna get a better offer than this. So either accept it or enjoy Melo for a bit longer and let him walk (or trade to NY)

BrooklynSwag · Post #475 » by **BrooklynSwag** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:32 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:I just hope this Melo-thing will be done very soon .. Either trade him to NJ or NY and get it over with .. I think everyone wants this to be finished. What's the point of waiting? Denver's not gonna get a better offer than this. So either accept it or enjoy Melo for a bit longer and let him walk (or trade to NY)

maybe its not up to Denver. It looks like a trade to NJ has almost been done for a while now. Maybe Melo is just not agreeing to it.

Googjob · Post #476 » by **Googjob** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:37 pm

Flash3 wrote:If Melo really does agree to this it's because he wants his guaranteed $$$ before the new CBA comes into effect and changes possibly everything, and he wants to live in the NY/NJ area, even if it's not Manhattan as it's reportedly been said. Waiting it out for free agency is a big risk with the CBA pending and if he wants his $$$, he'll have to agree to this.

Exactly. No matter what he said about playing out his deal and going into free agency in the offseason, that's a ton of money to be leaving on the table if the rumors of how much the owners want to cut are close. Could end up being $30 million or so. I don't care how bad you want to play for the Knicks, it's likely not worth that.

Post #477 » by **UGA Hayes** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:46 pm

Broussard reporting that Denver wants Nets to take Harrington too! Wouldn't that throw th numbers of the current propoosal completely out of whack, even if the nets were to agree with it, which they won't.

Jordan45822 · Post #478 » by **Jordan45822** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:57 pm

http://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard

Holdup to NJ-Den-Det trade is that Den wants NJ to take Al Harrington. NJ doesn't want to b/c Al has 4 yrs, $28 mill left on deal. 18 minutes ago via Echofon

NJ could try to recruit s 4th team to take Harrington, but their hope is that Den eliminates Harrington request. 3 minutes ago via Echofon

NJ will give Detroit a draft pick for taking Petro, not determined whether 1st or 2nd rounder yet. 2 minutes ago via Echofon

Jordan45822 · Post #479 » by **Jordan45822** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:58 pm

http://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/stat ... 0495082496

Chauncey's hesitation to go to NJ not a factor. Billups will get full $14 mill next season from NJ. That was his main concern. 15 minutes ago via Echofon Retweeted by 10 people

Duh

Blackmun · Post #480 » by **Blackmun** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:00 pm

Flash3 wrote:If Melo really does agree to this it's because he wants his guaranteed $$$ before the new CBA comes into effect and changes possibly everything, and he wants to live in the NY/NJ area, even if it's not Manhattan as it's reportedly been said. Waiting it out for free agency is a big risk with the CBA pending and if he wants his $$$, he'll have to agree to this.

Nobody is stopping him from living on Manhattan;) I used to travel to Newark from Manhattan a few years ago, the PATH train works just fine :p Only bad part about that trip is that, well, you end up in Newark at the end of it...