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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#621 » by duetta » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:46 am

A person with knowledge of the situation reiterated that Anthony's "desire is to get to the Knicks with the extension," but the Nuggets haven't engaged in meaningful talks with the Knicks. The sides have been in contact in the last few months, but the source said that when the Knicks have asked Nuggets executive Josh Kroenke and general manager Masai Ujiri what they would want in return, the response has been: "They don't know."

Clearly, they do know what they want from the Nets: multiple first-round picks. According to the Bergen Record, the Nets would send at least two first-round picks to the Nuggets along with Devin Harris and rookie Derrick Favors, plus other players, with Anthony and veteran point guard Chauncey Billups going to New Jersey. The Nets would send Troy Murphy (expiring contract) to the Pistons, who would send Richard Hamilton to the Nets to change three-fifths of their starting lineup with one deal.

Nets GM Billy King has been aggressive in his pursuit of Anthony since August and thought he had a deal in place before the season started. But the Nuggets have been slow to trade Anthony because they held out hope he would agree to a three-year, $65-million extension to remain in Denver. But Anthony has made it clear that his intention is to opt out of his contract to become a free agent after this season.


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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#622 » by Subway Token » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:41 pm

It's win-win for us. Billups will be bought out of Jersey, and Rip isn't that good any more. The nets would suck. If we do get Melo, then we'll rock. So yeah.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#623 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:19 pm

http://twitter.com/carmeloanthony

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Hmmmm.....she's from Jersey....I'm just saying...wonder who "some people" are.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#624 » by cgmw » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:20 pm

If he really does sign with Jersey, then it's all about the money. Well, the money and relocating the hell out of Colorado. As much as the Nets are a joke, you can't blame a guy for locking up guaranteed millions.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#625 » by falcindor » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:48 pm

I dont think Carmelo is pushing this. I think his agent is doing what best for his client and thats help getting him out of Denver. Denver is setting Melo up for a PR nightmare. I think NJ is the lesser of several evils. Denver isnt going to keep him on board to see him leave. At the same time Melo isnt going to give a guarentee. If it gets down to the wire and Nets are the only one on the board. Knicks may have a last ditch chance due to the corner they've backed themselves into. Melo really doesnt have a choice of where he goes but the extention is his choice. Melo can very well not opt out and play 1 more year in Jersey then bolt in 2012.

Lala had given her career up for him and the family. He wants to give her some of that back. Shes always welcomed back at MTV in some capacity.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#626 » by moocow007 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:51 pm

delvec19 wrote:http://www.theknicksblog.com/2011/01/10/video-the-damelo-in-their-own-words/

Ha, Melo looks so pissed.

Well folks, it looks like attempt #3 has come and gone. How many more times is this gonna happen?


Thanks. The David Aldridge bit is a bit more telling. Still sounds like that while everyone else around him is trying to drive a deal Carmelo still is the one that doesn't seem to want to do it.

Also I'd like to note, Aldridge is the one guy that you can kind of rely on to not come off as seeming that he has an agenda or as an overall jackass.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#627 » by GONYK » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:51 pm

falcindor wrote:I dont think Carmelo is pushing this. I think his agent is doing what best for his client and thats help getting him out of Denver. Denver is setting Melo up for a PR nightmare. I think NJ is the lesser of several evils. Denver isnt going to keep him on board to see him leave. At the same time Melo isnt going to give a guarentee. If it gets down to the wire and Nets are the only one on the board. Knicks may have a last ditch chance due to the corner they've backed themselves into. Melo really doesnt have a choice of where he goes but the extention is his choice. Melo can very well not opt out and play 1 more year in Jersey then bolt in 2012.

Lala had given her career up for him and the family. He wants to give her some of that back. Shes always welcomed back at MTV in some capacity.

When did the Knicks back themselves into a corner?
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#628 » by moocow007 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:55 pm

GONYK wrote:
falcindor wrote:I dont think Carmelo is pushing this. I think his agent is doing what best for his client and thats help getting him out of Denver. Denver is setting Melo up for a PR nightmare. I think NJ is the lesser of several evils. Denver isnt going to keep him on board to see him leave. At the same time Melo isnt going to give a guarentee. If it gets down to the wire and Nets are the only one on the board. Knicks may have a last ditch chance due to the corner they've backed themselves into. Melo really doesnt have a choice of where he goes but the extention is his choice. Melo can very well not opt out and play 1 more year in Jersey then bolt in 2012.

Lala had given her career up for him and the family. He wants to give her some of that back. Shes always welcomed back at MTV in some capacity.

When did the Knicks back themselves into a corner?


I think he's talking about the Nuggets backing themselves into a corner.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#629 » by GONYK » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:56 pm

moocow007 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
falcindor wrote:I dont think Carmelo is pushing this. I think his agent is doing what best for his client and thats help getting him out of Denver. Denver is setting Melo up for a PR nightmare. I think NJ is the lesser of several evils. Denver isnt going to keep him on board to see him leave. At the same time Melo isnt going to give a guarentee. If it gets down to the wire and Nets are the only one on the board. Knicks may have a last ditch chance due to the corner they've backed themselves into. Melo really doesnt have a choice of where he goes but the extention is his choice. Melo can very well not opt out and play 1 more year in Jersey then bolt in 2012.

Lala had given her career up for him and the family. He wants to give her some of that back. Shes always welcomed back at MTV in some capacity.

When did the Knicks back themselves into a corner?


I think he's talking about the Nuggets backing themselves into a corner.

Ah, that makes way more sense
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#630 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:06 pm

Don't know if you all read this last night but I thought it was very well done by Berger

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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#631 » by pnayan » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:09 pm

Good Breakdown by Sheridan on why the trade is still up in the air...

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks ... -questions

Question No. 1: Will the trade happen?

Possibly yes, possibly no. But when Anthony was asked after last night's loss to New Orleans whether he believed he had played his last game for the Nuggets, he uttered the same phrase five times: "Not at all. Not at all. Not at all. Not at all. Just not at all." Pressed on whether that means he hasn't agreed to sign the extension with the Nets, he replied: "I haven't heard anything on that. It's just been speculation as of right now. Masai (Ujiri, Denver's executive vice president of basketball operations) and Josh (Kroenke, the Nuggets president) are not even here. So I don't see that happening.'' Not happening for how long, Carmelo? "I'm just saying I don't see it happening right now.''

Question No. 2: What is the key factor holding up the trade?

The Nets need to get a commitment from Anthony that he'll sign the extension, and they received word Sunday (not the first time they've been told this) that Anthony was amenable to the deal. But did they hear that from Anthony himself? Or from his representatives, Leon Rose and William Wesley? Because at the end of the day, no matter how many people in Anthony's camp are telling him and/or pressuring him to sign off on the deal, it still comes down to whether Anthony himself says "Yes" or "No."

Question No. 3: What do the Knicks think of all this?

They are best described as flabbergasted, for the following reasons: The know they are Anthony's preferred destination, and they are flummoxed by the notion that Anthony would give up all his leverage in early January with the trade deadline still six weeks away, postulating that the fatigue from all the drama and the pressure from those in Anthony's camp may have worn him down. They also are perplexed as to why Anthony's representatives are pushing for a trade to a destination where their client does not want to go.

Question No. 4: Why would Rose and Wesley push for a trade to the Nets when the Knicks are their client's preferred destination?

Good question, and there is no clear answer. But here is something to consider: Anthony signed his current contract when he was represented by BDA Sports, which continues to collect a commission on Anthony's salary, meaning CAA (Rose and Wesley's agency) has not made a dime off Anthony's salary since wooing him to join their megastar client list, which includes LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and Chris Paul. If Anthony agrees to the New Jersey trade and signs his extension, he becomes a revenue producer for CAA (the industry standard is for agents to collect 4 percent of their client's salary).

Question No. 5: What will Anthony do?

No definite answer for that one, either. But consider this: One of the players Anthony would be traded with, Chauncey Billups, wants no part of the Nets, and he has presumably made this known to the player who sits across from him in the Nuggets locker room. Another player who would end up in New Jersey, Richard Hamilton, is also repped by Rose and Wesley, and it's fair to say Hamilton would prefer to be anywhere but Detroit, where he has lost his starting job and logged just 19 and 18 minutes in the Pistons' last two games. If he agreed to go to the Nets, Anthony would be in a starting five with Lopez, who grabbed just one rebound in a loss to Milwaukee on Saturday night in which Andrew Bogut did not play and Ersan Ilyasova started at center for the Bucks. The notion that he'd be a part of a championship-contending team? Preposterous.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#632 » by knicks742 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:32 pm

So Sheridan is backing off from the Knicks or nothing line from Melo. Game, set, match.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#633 » by GONYK » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:35 pm

knicks742 wrote:So Sheridan is backing off from the Knicks or nothing line from Melo. Game, set, match.

He didn't really back off of anything. It is clear he has no insight on the current situation beyond knowing what he knows, and knowing that this makes no sense.
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Post#634 » by RHODEY » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:36 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:For real, knicks218. You ain't lie.

His image, which we are led to believe at this point he's very mindful of, will be tarnished beyond repair as this is a money move and nothing else relating to winning basketball. Nets fans seem indifferent, some upset about this whole thing. They are a team with no identity beyond the front office. They have a player in Brook that has regressed or been exposed this year as a soft big guy. Nene is better than him, George Karl is a better coach than Avery Johnson at this point. The most exciting player on the current Nets will be a part of this deal so the same "old legs" he's trying to leave in Denver (love is love Chauncey) are coming with him. And Chauncey's the big homie, so he already let it be known this is not a quality move by stating he wants out if included. Kobe has let it be known to follow your heart. If not why not stay where you are?

The guy clearly doesn't wanna go to Jersey but apparently will out of fear of losing money. Money which he'd likely lose anyway if at all mind you (according to early CBA negotiation chatter). The powerbrokers in charge of his career are straight selling him out. There are no "nearly-Knicks" and I'm sure for-now teammate Kenyon would attest to playing in the shadow of the Garden, as I said in another post, I don't think out-of-towners really know and understand that: New York City is NOT New Jersey.

He's gonna get his bank regardless but they are steering him into an abyss of a franchise with fear tactics, greed and exploitation. If these reports are accurate and he ends up signing off to extend with New Jersey, I'll be disturbed on many, many levels, perhaps the least of which being a Knick fan. How awkward a press conference will it be watching Melo gush about being a Net, knowing he really wanted to be here with Amare and Ray? Knowing he came strictly for the money? Lol. Freedom IS the wealth, bruh. Slavery days are over. Over-the-top? Maybe. Without symmetry, hardly. He's being punked. I'm Brooklyn. We don't make that.

Denver has roughly a month left of power. After that it's all him. They're spiting this guy all because of that damn wedding toast (CP3, you owe us one dude). He has given all indications he has no plans of being a Nugget beyond this season so when he walks this summer (if we get there), he's no villain for emancipating himself. He gave you (Denver) fair warning. Gallo is a pretty good player lol. No? Ok. Trade exceptions are pretty handy as far as I've heard but they don't go to the All-Star Game, feel me?

Melo, much like Lebron did (I've been saying it, you can't hate dude for it), is (trying to get) where he wants to be to win alongside a guy who he knows he can win big with...except this city cares and he's never made his own affinity a secret. He should not be persecuted for this. We are a good team with a star player (and good homie), a filthy-rich owner, awesome young guns to run with, a vet GM that "gets it" and the stage awaiting you and the family. When you get here you'll smile that good smile, that real smile and you'll be "bringing your star with you" the way the legends always have. So we'll smile too.

Hold on young brother....hold on. Don't let yourself down. You said "bully season", no? Who's the bully? Show us.


This is an excellent post. I agree wealth is freedom, but some say there s a difference between being wealthy and just being rich. I Agree though about Melo. He sits on the border of someone who wants to manifest his own destiny while at the same time hedging for the most security possible between him and his family. Not sure which way he is leaning at this point though....
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#635 » by AllanHoustonFan » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:36 pm

knicks742 wrote:So Sheridan is backing off from the Knicks or nothing line from Melo. Game, set, match.

Actually he's backed off for quite some time now. First it was Melo or bust to 75% Knicks, 20% Denver and 5% Other.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#636 » by knicks9784 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:37 pm

GONYK wrote:
knicks742 wrote:So Sheridan is backing off from the Knicks or nothing line from Melo. Game, set, match.

He didn't really back off of anything. It is clear he has no insight on the current situation beyond knowing what he knows, and knowing that this makes no sense.


that's exactly what i got from sheridans little write up
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Post#637 » by knicks742 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:37 pm

I am curious if part of the reason that they won't talk to us is that Donnie has already said publicly that he won't gut the roster for anyone. If you are Denver and you hear that, what is there to discuss with the Knicks? The offer we have will be there on February 24th and they are not going to look at it, unless Melo forces them to do it. Time to look for a different sky is falling gif.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#638 » by AllanHoustonFan » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:39 pm

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New Jersey seems more willing to deal than Denver as of this morning... Nuggets still say nothing is close.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#639 » by AllanHoustonFan » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:40 pm

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Holdup to NJ-Den-Det trade is that Den wants NJ to take Al Harrington. NJ doesn't want to b/c Al has 4 yrs, $28 mill left on deal.


http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STO ... um=twitter

There is a real sense of urgency from the Leon Rose side, according to sources in the know on the situation. If Rose can't deliver a deal, he may lose Anthony to a rival agent as Anthony's camp is growing annoyed with how this has played out.




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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 7] 

Post#640 » by GONYK » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:40 pm

knicks742 wrote:I am curious if part of the reason that they won't talk to us is that Donnie has already said publicly that he won't gut the roster for anyone. If you are Denver and you hear that, what is there to discuss with the Knicks? The offer we have will be there on February 24th and they are not going to look at it, unless Melo forces them to do it. Time to look for a different sky is falling gif.

Maybe Donnie said that because they said we have no attractive pieces

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