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Post#1 » by The-Insider » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:06 am

Image vs. Image

1 - 7 - 0 - - - - - 3 - 4 - 2

Oct. 23
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Sportsnet
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Kovalchuk - White - Hossa
Kozlov - Holik - Dupuis
Larsen - Little - Sterling
Boulton - Slater - Perrin

Zhitnik - Havelid
Exelby - Enstrom
Klee - McCarthy

Hedberg
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Sick Bay:
Kari Lehtonen: out at least 4 weeks with a groin injury
Steve Rucchin: out indefinitely with post-concussion symptoms




Thrashers Notes:

[color=brown]The Thrashers are leading the race as doormat of the Eastern Conference, if not the entire NHL. After dropping 6 straight to start the season, GM Don Waddell fired coach Bob Hartley and has temporarily taken over behind the bench until a new coach can be found (rumour has it that Quinn is lobbying for that position). This produced an inspired effort to defeat the Rangers; but the team quickly returned to
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Post#2 » by NeverGoingToWin » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:27 am

I am going to the game tomorrow and my only goals are to not lose by 3 or more and not give up 4 or more goals in the third period.
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Post#3 » by jalenrose#5 » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:50 am

The only goal for the Leafs is to have a clean 3rd period. Lately, those third periods have been like a scene from Kill Bill.
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Post#4 » by Griff83 » Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:24 am

Thrashers stink.

If the leafs lose this game it would be beyond hilarious
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Post#5 » by Tor-Rap-Tor » Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:24 pm

Maybe a few changes in the line-up Battaglia will play one wing on the fourth line and probably Belak will play on the other side (Newbury or Salmelainen should be brought up) and I think Stralman may get into tonight's game, evidently a game time decision, he certainly can't do any worse than Woz has done...
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Post#6 » by Crowned » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:46 pm

BlueJay_ wrote:Thrashers stink.

If the leafs lose this game it would be beyond hilarious



This is a game where we should completely outscore our opponents. The thrashers have a terrible blueline, and they have Hedberg as their starting goaltender for the next 6 weeks.

They have a couple players that can play upfront...but for the most part, we should win this game.
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Post#7 » by TR50 » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:48 pm

If we don't win, their goes my hockey season

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Post#8 » by juucer » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:23 pm

Just heard it on Sportsnet... Stralman to make NHL debut tonight!
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Post#9 » by Griff83 » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:37 am

This team has turned into a joke, cant even beat a 1-7 team at home when they have there backup goalie playing. Heads need to role and this team needs to be stripped down and correctly rebuilt.

YoureachIteach, where are you now?
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Post#10 » by youreachiteach » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:58 am

BlueJay_ wrote:This team has turned into a joke, cant even beat a 1-7 team at home when they have there backup goalie playing. Heads need to role and this team needs to be stripped down and correctly rebuilt.

YoureachIteach, where are you now?


I'm laughing at you--remember Antropov and the Sundin line?

Right. I thought so.

No one said the defence was going to be good. I thought it would their achilles heel. They are better than last year, and Toskala has been very good. If Maurice would actually play him every game, we'd win games like today's.

Whatever. Enjoy your kicking while the team is down. What a great fan you are.
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Post#11 » by Griff83 » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:15 am

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Remember what? its been 10 games, what a small sample size to tout your horn about. You said that line would be as good as Ottawa's #1 line and thats a joke. Go look at what those 3 guys on the Sens #'s are and see how far ahead they are at seasons end over our first line.

But you said this team was going to be a contender and Jason Blake would challenge the 50 goal mark. I said this team wouldnt be that good and all i got was people with blue maple leaf homer glass's on that called me stupid, while in reality it seems I was more right then those people (you).

This team and Management is a disgrace .
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Post#12 » by Griff83 » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:25 am

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bull. This is what you had to say about this defence in the offseason

"In the end, the one with the best goalie and defence wins out in hockey. Speed and a trap coach also seem in vogue. Bottom line: The Leafs will surprise this year, and it will be because of JFJ's dogged determination to find the right goalie and D--and not just sit back and try to stockpile slightly better than average prospects for the sake of some vague "future plan"

Id like to hear this spinjob. According to you JFJ's dogged determination to find the right D. The guy went out and traded for a new goalie but did ABSOLUTELY nothing to improve a defence corps that was bad last season and is arguable worse this season (just look at how many shots per game we give up and quality chances.)

Heres another beauty quote from one of your posts this summer

"It's obvious he is trying to correct the goaltending and defence. He signs big/and or mobile defenceman, goes with a defensive minded coach, trades from a pltheora of goaltending prospects for a goalie two years straight. The plan is...get good goaltending and defence...you know, like Anaheim"

Sure seems like were building a team like Anaheim with the great defence he has assembled LOL.
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Post#13 » by Griff83 » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:33 am

some more great ones

"The Leafs defence is not the problem when you chart the percentage of shots given up--Raycroft was the problem and you know it. And besides, half the team's defence was out with injuries half the year anyway"

"I'll take goaltending, grit and defence for 500, Alex. JFJ is building like Anaheim is--without having to gut the team first"

:rofl: :rofl:
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Post#14 » by Crowned » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:11 am

This team has a good defensive core on paper, they're just an absolute mess right now.

McCabe, Kaberle and Kubina should be very steady on the blueline, but we've got too many offensive minded defenseman. Mix those 3 with White, Carlo, Stralman (who impressed me tonight), Gill and whomever else...and we shouldn't be this bad.

Part of the teams struggles is defensive breakdowns, also caused by the forwards. Let's not all place the blame on the defensive core right now. From what I've seen, players have failed to rotate appropriately, players have looked confused around the net...and leaving players wide open.

We're poor defensively right now as a team, from the blueline, all the way up to the forwards and their defensive breakdowns.

Atleast the goaltending has been good...
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Post#15 » by youreachiteach » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:58 am

BlueJay_ wrote:some more great ones

"The Leafs defence is not the problem when you chart the percentage of shots given up--Raycroft was the problem and you know it. And besides, half the team's defence was out with injuries half the year anyway"

"I'll take goaltending, grit and defence for 500, Alex. JFJ is building like Anaheim is--without having to gut the team first"

:rofl: :rofl:


Way to take some quotes out of context.

My point at that time was arguing what JFJ was doing was the right strategy; not saying that it couldn't have a negative result.

You're obviously too young to know the difference, bu sometimes in life you do the right things and they don't go the way you want.

Ottawa's model is great if youwant to suck for 10 years first.

If they don't win the cup in the next few years all they were were a flash in the pan pansy team that didn't win jack.

There is no guarantee it'll work either.

He spent the money on a Stanley Cup winning D man. (Didn't work)
Wrapped up perhaps the best forward in free agency (Looks pretty good)
Picked up an elite level goalie (looks excellent to me)
Kept most of the talent he drafted (outside of a guy who's in the A, just like Pogge) (who knows yet)
Wrapped up two of the best offensive denfensmen in hockey (Looks bad right now)
Wrapped up a fabulous two way forward who is hurt right now (Tucker, jury is still out).

My point is, he tried to go at it the right way, and it's not looking good ight now.

But no team is as bad as they look when they are bad, or as good as they look when they are good.

We'll see what happens when Maurice is not forced to play (penalty a minute) forwards half the game when he gets Wellwood, Tucker and Bell back playing regular minutes.

Stralman already has improved the team D. I'll be laughing even harder when your favorite team Ottawa gets dumped first round again.

Like you said, it's early. Don't start crowing yet, man.
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Post#16 » by Griff83 » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:29 am

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I didnt take the comment about the Leafs defence not being the problem out of context, which you obviously said earlier in the summer and all the sudden you've done a 180 and all the sudden you knew all along this would be the current teams achilles heal (defence). When you have the highest paid blueline in the NHL and they are arguably the worst defensively its a straight out joke.

I also dont know how JFJ's thought process about how to build a team can be compared to that of Anaheim's seeing they had such a unigue setup where they have arguably 2 of the best 3 defencemen in the game eat up almost 30 mins each a night meaning that almost every shift out there the opposing team would have to contend with either Pronger or Niedermayer and both of these guys are not only great offensively but very good in the own end and McCabe and Kaberle are not.

I personally never once thought that adding 7 million dollars worth of big slugged, slow footed defencemen(Gill and Kubina) was a good idea when the game was clearly turning into a skating game where speed was at a premium and defencemen could no longer get away with clutch and grabbing in the neutral zone. This is a huge concern 5 on 5 for both Pavel Kubina and Hall Gill.

I never once said I wanted to follow Ottawa's plan of attack, there are many other teams in the league that are going from signing tough minded defencemen to guys who can skate, pass and are responsible in the own end. We really dont have a single player that can say they are good at all three things except Kaberle and even he looks outmatched alot when teams are cycling the puck in our zone.

JFJ has had more then enough chances to prove his worth, but since coming on board there has been no progression seeing this team has missed the playoffs 2 seasons in a row while showing really no signs so far of this trend changing. I dont like the fact that hes traded a vast majority of his high picks for immediate help and still we are a bubble team who will have to scratch and claw just to get a 8th seed. I dont like the fact that we are spent to the cap and are going to have trouble signing all our your players next season in Wellwood, Stajan and Steen because we are so close to the cap.

I mean what does a Leaf fan have to look forward too? Does this team have a current player ready to take over the reigns once Mats retires? Does this team have a cant miss prospect in its system like many of the other teams in the league that are around us in the standings do. Pretty much 90% of the teams in the league have either a proven young star or a cant miss prospect in there system and its depressing to know the Leafs have neither.

Hey you can call me a bad fan or unloyal if you like, but I dont like it when the a team spends to the cap limit, trades away so many of its young assets in picks or players and still seems to be a 7th or 8th seed at best. It looks right now that JFJ sacrificed a **** of valuable pieces to build nothing more then a mediocre at best team.
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Post#17 » by youreachiteach » Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:23 am

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How do you like "no talent Tlusty" now? Oh and by the way, he's still going after Tavares. How about that for a manager who only "overpays"?

Enjoy your humble pie raw...
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Post#18 » by youreachiteach » Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:25 am

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How do you like "no talent Tlusty" now? Oh and by the way, he's still going after Tavares. How about that for a manager who only "overpays"?

Enjoy your humble pie raw...


Oh, and by the way, Gill is a +6 this season. So thanks for your brilliant analysis.
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Post#19 » by Griff83 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:58 pm

youreachiteach wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



How do you like "no talent Tlusty" now? Oh and by the way, he's still going after Tavares. How about that for a manager who only "overpays"?

Enjoy your humble pie raw...


Where did anyone say there wasnt a prospect in the system with talent? I said there's no cant miss prospect in the system and there isnt. Its also hilarious how you were nowhere to be seen for 2 days after your innitial post and just happen to stop by after a leafs win.

Ya that Tavares situation aint going to happen and if you truly believe it will your just hoping for a miracle. Sorry but one good game from a rook and the fact the GM is taking a long shot at a guy like Tavares doesnt warrant anyone eating anything close to humble pie.
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Post#20 » by Griff83 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:01 pm

youreachiteach wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Oh, and by the way, Gill is a +6 this season. So thanks for your brilliant analysis.


Do you watch games or just make evaluations on players plus minus #'s because if you've watched Gill has been a disaster 5 on 5 and many times got lucky to get out of numerous terrible neutral zone plays without having a minus next to his name.

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