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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#421 » by bstein14 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:05 am

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Y! Sources: Denver threatens New Jersey: Unless tone changes in 'Melo talks, watch us trade him to Knicks. http://tinyurl.com/4hyje8y

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Well this is going well :(

Denver has the dumbest front office ever.



No reason we can't trade RIP to NY for Eddy Curry.


If this deal falls thru NY will definitely keep their capspace for this summer to try and land Melo. If Melo is traded somewhere and signs and extension then maybe I can see NY moving Curry's contract for some help this year. The fact that Melo and Rip have the same agent and are both on Team Jordan I think does help at least somewhat to move Rip to where Melo is going.
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#422 » by hoopaddict08 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:14 am

After thinking it over, there is no way Denver is walking away from this. This "threat" is a joke. They don't have other options. New York has who to offer? Randolph and Gallo? That is a terrible package. As long as Denver deals with New Jersey I dont see how were not involved. Especially since we have already "agreed" on the deal with them, and are just waiting on Denver.
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#423 » by ComboGuardCity » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:58 am

Denver's schoolgirls are playing hard to get.
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#424 » by thesack12 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:56 am

Heard this morning that talks are "dissolving." Apparently Denver is extra upset that this scenario has been made so public.

Who cares, if its been public? Everybody knows Melo is on the block, and won't be back in Denver. Who's to say Denver wasn't the one leaking it themselves anyways. Seeing as how the more known it was that a Melo deal was "close" the more it would encourage other teams to call and ramp up their offers.

Just do the damn deal Denver. You're not going to get better than a blue chip prospect fresh off being taken #3, and a former all star PG who is still young enough to build with, let alone multiple 1sts to boot. It would be incredibly idiotic to accept a lesser deal from another team, just because apparently you are upset with Jersey just because talks have become public.

Maybe the Denver brass is super sly and will eventually get a better deal elsewhere, but I just don't see it. That deal is an insane return for them, not even taking into consideration that they have little to no leverage. Actually this recent development is solely a ploy to try and create leverage IMO.
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Post#425 » by Piston Pete » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:39 pm

Its gonna be pretty hard to beat Favors and two 1st rounders....

Wonder if we could sneak in and offer Prince/Jerebko/Wilcox/our UNprotected 1st rounder for Melo.
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#426 » by princeofpalace » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:58 pm

It really just seems like DEN doesnt want to trade Melo. I think this will be shelved and reevaluated closer to the trade deadline
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#427 » by thesack12 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:36 pm

Denver is running the risk of alienating many parties here. Melo, Nugz fans, Leon Rose, and maybe most importantly Jersey. Not to mention, the new GM isn't exactly engraciating himself to the league front offices. Wouldn't surprise me at all if teams will become quite hesitant to deal with the Nuggz from here on out. Have to remember here, that this isn't the first Melo to Jersey deal to fade away.

Both Jersey and Detroit expected Denver to hold Melo/Chauncey out of Sunday's game, and were upset that they played. Denver can say whatever they want to, but when 2 different teams involved expected the same thing, a deal was VERY close if not already agreed upon. Tells me Denver backed out.

Denver looks to be playing an extremely risky game of russian roulette here if they intend to wait and re-hash this close to the deadline. On one hand, their efforts to bleed every last drop from this deal could pay off and they could get mass assets and dump contracts all at one time, if Jersey caves. On the other more likely side, Jersey (knowing theirs is the best deal on Denver's table) holds out til just before the eleventh hour then tells Denver to stuff it. Which would force Denver scrambling to muster up another deal elsewhere at the last minute, accept a previously offered lesser deal, or lower their demands from Jersey to get the deal done before the buzzer.

Either way Denevr will ultimately get something for Melo in the end. But if the deadline passes with Melo still in Denver, they wont be getting much of anything in a S&T scenario other than a large TPE they'll likely never use since they are looking to cut costs to start with. Jersey still has the best package to offer. Sure other teams can beat it, but not with assets that they are willing to give up.
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#428 » by Liqourish » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:05 pm

This is what happens when people take over an NBA franchise who don't know what the hell they are doing. This is why Tom Gores scares me as a new owner. He has no clue how to run a franchise. Denvers new GM is a clown. Threats get you no where buddy, man up.
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#429 » by retrolenny » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:53 pm

This is my first post on this thread but if I were NJ I would call Denvers bluff and NOT take on Al Harrington. There is NO way in hell that Denver is going to get a better deal than the one that was offered by NJ. This leads me to believe 1 of 2 things. 1) Denver has the WORST front office in basketball or 2) Melo is NOT signing with NJ under any circumstances. Think about it... If you were a GM and you knew that the ONLY place Melo really wanted to go was NY, would you really threaten NJ by saying you'll trade Melo to NY? I don't think so. You'd throw ANY name out there but NY. What message does this psychologically give to Melo???
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#430 » by retrolenny » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:54 pm

Btw, this is the moving part that would have to take place in order for NJ to take on Al Harrington!!!

http://realgm.com/src_tradechecker/4/

DenverTrades:
Melo
Billups
Carter
Harrington
Williams

Denver Receives:
Harris
Vujacic
Favors
Marrow
Ross
Graham
Uzoh

NJ Trades:
Murphy
Harris
Vujacic
Favors
Marrow
Petro
Graham
Ross
Uzoh

NJ Receives:
RIP
Billups
Melo
Harrington
Carter
Williams
White

Detroit Trades:
Rip

Detroit receives:
Murphy
Petro
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#431 » by mercury » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:00 pm

Still trying to figure out what Melo gains by accepting the Nets deal vs waiting this summer for the team of his choice with a better chance of winning... it's close to a Max contract but not max years.
The Knicks may not be able to match Bird right $'s but they could go 5 years (if the new CBA allows it).
So maybe it comes down to the uncertainty of the new bargaining agreement (which may reduce current salaries anyways).
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#432 » by princeofpalace » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:16 pm

mercury wrote:Still trying to figure out what Melo gains by accepting the Nets deal vs waiting this summer for the team of his choice with a better chance of winning... it's close to a Max contract but not max years.
The Knicks may not be able to match Bird right $'s but they could go 5 years (if the new CBA allows it).
So maybe it comes down to the uncertainty of the new bargaining agreement (which may reduce current salaries anyways).


We dont know what max contracts look in the new CBA. With the way the owners are talking, a Max contract could be considerably less than it is now so Melo could miss out on millions of dollars if he waits til the offseason
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#433 » by thesack12 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:26 pm

Naturally, Jersey would immediately pull the plug if Melo tells them he wont sign an extension. But according to all reports, the holdup on this deal is not Melo its Denver. Reportedly, the current holdup is Denver's insistence that Harrington must now be included, yet they are trying to mask the situation by saying negotiations have been halted since they have become public and started making threats to boot.

In the supposed deal, Denver would already be saving the pro-rated amount of 11 mil in raw salary this season, plus 11 more mil in luxury tax savings. Plus would be aquiring all the reported assets as well. No other team is going to provide them substantial cap/lux tax savings + multiple highly valuable assets.

At some point Jersey is going to say enough is enough and take their ball and go home. They have already committed to eating a ton of short term and long term salary in the proposal, and are willing to go way out of their way for Chauncey by telling him they would would refuse his buyout clause and fully guarantee his deal next season, costing them an additional 11 mil. This on top of coughing up some seriously valuable assets.
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#434 » by Piston Pete » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:03 pm

Funny thing is, Al Harrington would look great next to Amare in NY. But no way does NY help facilitate a Melo to NJ deal...
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#435 » by Joe Berry » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:43 pm

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Post#436 » by Piston Pete » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:53 pm

Love the article's ending: "clarity should come soon."
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#437 » by srt4b » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:18 pm

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No reason we can't trade RIP to NY for Eddy Curry.


If this deal falls thru NY will definitely keep their capspace for this summer to try and land Melo. If Melo is traded somewhere and signs and extension then maybe I can see NY moving Curry's contract for some help this year. The fact that Melo and Rip have the same agent and are both on Team Jordan I think does help at least somewhat to move Rip to where Melo is going.


Debever was threatening to trade him yo NY. That is what I was referring to. We could still be a part of that trade and Carmelo gets to play with RIP & Amare.
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#438 » by princeofpalace » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:16 pm

If this doesnt go through, I cant see how this is good for Pistons relationship with Rip.

He knows Pistons agreed to trade him and its not even for a player that could help Pistons right now, it was pretty much just to dump him. I mean how do you play for a team every day when you know they wanted to dump you for nothing.
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#439 » by vege » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:26 pm

princeofpalace wrote:If this doesnt go through, I cant see how this is good for Pistons relationship with Rip.

He knows Pistons agreed to trade him and its not even for a player that could help Pistons right now, it was pretty much just to dump him. I mean how do you play for a team every day when you know they wanted to dump you for nothing.


Detroit have agreed to trade him to a better situation where he would play with Chauncey and Melo and it's something his agent worked hard to make it work. How can that be bad for Detroit's image?
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Re: RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!) 

Post#440 » by Rodya » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:44 pm

vege wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:If this doesnt go through, I cant see how this is good for Pistons relationship with Rip.

He knows Pistons agreed to trade him and its not even for a player that could help Pistons right now, it was pretty much just to dump him. I mean how do you play for a team every day when you know they wanted to dump you for nothing.


Detroit have agreed to trade him to a better situation where he would play with Chauncey and Melo and it's something his agent worked hard to make it work. How can that be bad for Detroit's image?


I don't think PoP was referring to Detroit's image in his post, but rather how their relationship with RIP has dissolved past the point of no return. No doubt though, allowing his agent to be deeply involved in negotiations bodes well for Detroit in the future.

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