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[Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7

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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#621 » by Jmonty580 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:21 pm

moocow007 wrote:The chances the Nuggets go into the great unknown without dealing Melo is even less likely. They'll trade him where they can get the most for him. Melo says no to the Nets extension and they will trade him to NY regardless of what they supposedly think of the Knicks assets. Something is better than nothing.


Exactly. Melo should DARE them to let him go for nothing. They know better than that.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#622 » by aggo » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:22 pm

Pharmcat wrote:CAA wants him in njn for their own financial gain, its just a matter of time if they can convince him or not


what if melo is in on this caa deal too?
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Post#623 » by K_ick_God » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:23 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
With regard to @SpearsNBAYahoo report that Melo needs to be sold on NJ, source said Nets "expected that and have a plan to do just that."



Mannix is another tool. Can't stand this guy either.

And as far as the Nets "expecting" that they had to be sold, ORLY? Then why were they leaking to the media that they wouldn't even have to meet with him, that he was already on board. Lies. All of it is lies.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#624 » by Pharmcat » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:24 pm

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Pharmcat wrote:CAA wants him in njn for their own financial gain, its just a matter of time if they can convince him or not


what if melo is in on this caa deal too?


he cant get anything on the side, no way CAA risks that

he just gets his guaranteed 65 mill

as i stated b4, CAA gets to control BK and have a international owner to expand their brand (the 2 reasons they want him in njn, aside from the 4% they collect)....these 3 reasons are why CAA and rose are pushing him to njn, it has nothing to do with winning...if one thinks from CAA standpoint and their goal of being a powerhouse: njn makes the most sense
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#625 » by Future Soldier » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:25 pm

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"Sell me on New Jersey" pretty much sounds to me like a formality.

The only way he holds firm is if he already has made up his mind that NJ is not where he wants to be.

"Sell me" kind of sounds like someone making it seem like he cares about winning but is ready to cave.



jesus KG....yesterday you were 100% confident he wasnt signing with them. You have no faith, man. You don't know which way is up or down, left or right, if the sky is falling or if it's rising higher.....calm down, man. He ain't signing with those jagoffs. The TRADE could go down soon; the SIGNING is another story. If someone has to be "sold" on something, he doesn't want to be there, and he's probably just humoring them so as to not look like a total **** without giving them an opportunity to talk about how awesome a 2nd rate NY team will be and how their monstrous Center who will break Wilt Chamberlains rebounding record can complement his game perfectly.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#626 » by Jmonty580 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:26 pm

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"Sell me on New Jersey" pretty much sounds to me like a formality.

The only way he holds firm is if he already has made up his mind that NJ is not where he wants to be.

"Sell me" kind of sounds like someone making it seem like he cares about winning but is ready to cave.


Not to me, sounds like he doesnt want people to think his mind is made up. Or if NJ is saying, we have an AMAZING plan that you wont be able to resist, then why shouldnt he let them sell him? If his main goal is to win, then whats the harm in letting them pitch their plan? Just like when your shopping around you may know what you want but you gotta shop around to make sure your not missing out on anything you overlooked. He'll listen to them and he'll say just as i expected and he wont agree to sign an extension to go to NJ. Thats how I see it at least.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#627 » by cgmw » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:26 pm

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It could be a lot of money absolutely. No one knows how much nor how much that potential difference matters compared to being in the situation you want for the prime years of your career.

I argue that we know exactly how much money is at risk here. He's risking a guaranteed $65 million over three years. That's the risk. Do we know how much less he will get? No. But do we know it will be less if he doesn't take the guarantee? Absolutely.

If it was absolutely all just about money then he would have extended. Why risk a career threatening injury this year squashing that extension...if it's all about money? If money was all that mattered then he would have extended and we wouldn't be discussing him. So obviously it's not just about money.

Of course not. But just because it's not "all about the money," doesn't mean that money isn't a driving factor. That is, after all, why these guys play basketball. Any grown man who can stare $65 million guaranteed in the face and turn it down is either very brave or very foolish.

At which point, he needs to decide how much risk he's willing to take to get what he really wants. Do we agree at least that what he really wants is to be a Knick? So what is the value of that in dollars? That's the debate for him...not for us to guess at.


Fair enough. On that we agree.
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Post#628 » by K_ick_God » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:26 pm

Mannix must be an incredible wuss.

As far as Spears, Melo trusts him and he must be reporting an accurate inside look of this.

It also adds up totally, explaining why Melo wants to delay any Nets deal at this point, though hasn't ruled it out. See underlined part below.


DENVER – As the Denver Nuggets and New Jersey Nets move closer to completing their complicated trade, Carmelo Anthony(notes) has told close associates the Nets still need to sell him on signing an extension with them, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

“ ‘Melo can’t have cold feet now,” said one organizational source involved in the talks. “It’s too far down the line. He’s the one who wanted this.”

Anthony hasn’t ruled out committing to the Nets, but he wants a clearer vision of their plans for the future. Anthony’s preference is to wait to see what other trade options become available for him, the sources said.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#629 » by K_ick_God » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:29 pm

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"Sell me on New Jersey" pretty much sounds to me like a formality.

The only way he holds firm is if he already has made up his mind that NJ is not where he wants to be.

"Sell me" kind of sounds like someone making it seem like he cares about winning but is ready to cave.


Not to me, sounds like he doesnt want people to think his mind is made up. Or if NJ is saying, we have an AMAZING plan that you wont be able to resist, then why shouldnt he let them sell him? If his main goal is to win, then whats the harm in letting them pitch their plan? Just like when your shopping around you may know what you want but you gotta shop around to make sure your not missing out on anything you overlooked. He'll listen to them and he'll say just as i expected and he wont agree to sign an extension to go to NJ. Thats how I see it at least.




Who knows, but if he walks into a meeting with the Nets, I think that means he's going to give in. He'd pretty much have to say "Nah" to the Nets right up front to resist the inevitable cave.

It does sound like he would want Denver to keep working the Knicks trade before he'll even hear the Nets' pitch. Let's hope that's the way he goes.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#630 » by knicks9784 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:29 pm

KnicksGod wrote::(

"Sell me on New Jersey" pretty much sounds to me like a formality.

The only way he holds firm is if he already has made up his mind that NJ is not where he wants to be.

"Sell me" kind of sounds like someone making it seem like he cares about winning but is ready to cave.


i might be wrong, but i dont see anywhere in there a direct quote from melo saying, "sell me on nj" in fact the headline has almost nothing to do with the article lol

what the guy wrote is just a rehash of whats happened/been speculated and more speculation. these guys just see this an opportunity to hit their quota of articles and hits by rehashing the same ish with a new headline.

im assuming you were referring to this write up http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... nets011411
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#631 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:30 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Mannix must be an incredible wuss.

As far as Spears, Melo trusts him and he must be reporting an accurate inside look of this.

It also adds up totally, explaining why Melo wants to delay any Nets deal at this point, though hasn't ruled it out. See underlined part below.


DENVER – As the Denver Nuggets and New Jersey Nets move closer to completing their complicated trade, Carmelo Anthony(notes) has told close associates the Nets still need to sell him on signing an extension with them, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

“ ‘Melo can’t have cold feet now,” said one organizational source involved in the talks. “It’s too far down the line. He’s the one who wanted this.”

Anthony hasn’t ruled out committing to the Nets, but he wants a clearer vision of their plans for the future. Anthony’s preference is to wait to see what other trade options become available for him, the sources said.


Spears is much more trustworthy than the tool that is Mannix.
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Post#632 » by stuporman » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:30 pm

I feel this situation is definitely going to get into February. If Melo can even be sold on NJ it's not going to happen in the first meeting. This deal is going to sit on the table with agent hammering Melo to sign right up until something else happens.

If he folds right away I'd be very blown away that he could be so weak willed because I know he has a strong preference right now. It will be hard to make that shift so it won't be finished quickly. As much as being the man in the new arena, with everything built around him will sound good.... sure it will 'sound' good.

With the Knicks he knows his team elevates to a top 2-3 team in the east for the next 5 years with a chance to make it to the finals in any of those seasons along the way. He knows he'll become iconic and partner with Amar'e as the face of the franchise. He'll have a chance to become a legend in NY, a chance to get his number retired.

With the Nets he knows that he'll again be depended upon as the reason why his team makes the playoffs every season and barely a top 8 team in the east. He knows every year the question will be has the organization done enough to surround him with talent. He knows he'll always be on the stepchild franchise in the NY area. He'll be lucky if he doesn't have to finish his career a Net.

At first it will 'sound' good..... I just hope he comes to his senses before he makes a mistake.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#633 » by Staruk » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:32 pm

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Knicks_Fan2 wrote:ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
With regard to @SpearsNBAYahoo report that Melo needs to be sold on NJ, source said Nets "expected that and have a plan to do just that."


that plan includes recording a track with kanye, his own melo brand russian vodka and years upon years of basketball mediocrity


Yep. And so far their plans have worked out perfectly. Case in point (and sorry for dragging this back up but it's just so appropriate)...

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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#634 » by Punk » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:32 pm

He denied DA's questions last night. It's pretty obvious he has no desire to play there. Would you? Playing with Billups, Hamilton, bunch of scrubs and a center that rebounds like a guard?
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#635 » by AllanHoustonFan » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:34 pm

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Jmonty580 wrote:
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"Sell me on New Jersey" pretty much sounds to me like a formality.

The only way he holds firm is if he already has made up his mind that NJ is not where he wants to be.

"Sell me" kind of sounds like someone making it seem like he cares about winning but is ready to cave.


Not to me, sounds like he doesnt want people to think his mind is made up. Or if NJ is saying, we have an AMAZING plan that you wont be able to resist, then why shouldnt he let them sell him? If his main goal is to win, then whats the harm in letting them pitch their plan? Just like when your shopping around you may know what you want but you gotta shop around to make sure your not missing out on anything you overlooked. He'll listen to them and he'll say just as i expected and he wont agree to sign an extension to go to NJ. Thats how I see it at least.




Who knows, but if he walks into a meeting with the Nets, I think that means he's going to give in. He'd pretty much have to say "Nah" to the Nets right up front to resist the inevitable cave.

It does sound like he would want Denver to keep working the Knicks trade before he'll even hear the Nets' pitch. Let's hope that's the way he goes.


KG, I know deep down in inside you don't believe a word you just said. You really think he is just gonna go in there and cave in? Even Chris Broussard on the radio this morning said his personality won't allow that to happen. He is a strong person and he won't do anything he doesn't wanna do.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#636 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:34 pm

With so many other players tied up in the speculation, this has got to be holding up other deals etc.


Sounds like GM and owner of Nuggets not making any friends around the league by the crap handling of situation.
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Post#637 » by Jmonty580 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:34 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
Jmonty580 wrote:
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"Sell me on New Jersey" pretty much sounds to me like a formality.

The only way he holds firm is if he already has made up his mind that NJ is not where he wants to be.

"Sell me" kind of sounds like someone making it seem like he cares about winning but is ready to cave.


Not to me, sounds like he doesnt want people to think his mind is made up. Or if NJ is saying, we have an AMAZING plan that you wont be able to resist, then why shouldnt he let them sell him? If his main goal is to win, then whats the harm in letting them pitch their plan? Just like when your shopping around you may know what you want but you gotta shop around to make sure your not missing out on anything you overlooked. He'll listen to them and he'll say just as i expected and he wont agree to sign an extension to go to NJ. Thats how I see it at least.




Who knows, but if he walks into a meeting with the Nets, I think that means he's going to give in. He'd pretty much have to say "Nah" to the Nets right up front to resist the inevitable cave.

It does sound like he would want Denver to keep working the Knicks trade before he'll even hear the Nets' pitch. Let's hope that's the way he goes.


I'm the nicest guy in the world and I have a really hard time telling people no, but with so much riding on this, his legacy as a basketball player, he wont hesitate to tell them no if that is what is important to him. Him listening to them is a formality if he wants to win basketball games. You dont make the big stink he has only to leave your team and go to a worse one or equal at best in a tougher top heavy division. If its all about the money, maybe he does chose NJ. I cant say I know for sure but in my mind he wants a chance at a championship before his career is over. he gets that chance now in NY, in NJ he could have that chance, but its more of a risk that nobody comes and joins him. He'd be joining someone else in NY.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#638 » by seren » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:36 pm

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It could be a lot of money absolutely. No one knows how much nor how much that potential difference matters compared to being in the situation you want for the prime years of your career.

I argue that we know exactly how much money is at risk here. He's risking a guaranteed $65 million over three years. That's the risk. Do we know how much less he will get? No. But do we know it will be less if he doesn't take the guarantee? Absolutely.

If it was absolutely all just about money then he would have extended. Why risk a career threatening injury this year squashing that extension...if it's all about money? If money was all that mattered then he would have extended and we wouldn't be discussing him. So obviously it's not just about money.

Of course not. But just because it's not "all about the money," doesn't mean that money isn't a driving factor. That is, after all, why these guys play basketball. Any grown man who can stare $65 million guaranteed in the face and turn it down is either very brave or very foolish.

At which point, he needs to decide how much risk he's willing to take to get what he really wants. Do we agree at least that what he really wants is to be a Knick? So what is the value of that in dollars? That's the debate for him...not for us to guess at.


Fair enough. On that we agree.


This is simply wrong. You have been ignoring it though several people already called this out. By signing the extension, Melo agrees to be paid 83 million for the next four years. If max years/max salary does not change in the new CBA, he can opt out and sign a 6 year/120 million contract. So he is risking a potential 37 million dollars by signing the contract.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#639 » by aggo » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:37 pm

the longer this drags

the less i actually want melo hogging up 18million of our capspace
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Post#640 » by delvec19 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:38 pm

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Sense I'm getting is the Knicks are extremely hesitant give up Wilson Chandler AND Landry Fields in Carmelo scenarios.

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