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Post#21 » by teven_1 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:17 pm

agreed, but to stay on topic, regardless of what type of player Darko becomes, he seems to be picking up a LOT of ticky tack fouls.
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Re: Darko's foul trouble/poor rebounding 

Post#22 » by NewWolvesOrder » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:52 pm

Darko gets alot of his fouls when he gets too aggressive while trying to block shots and playing pick'n'roll defense. He needs just to make people shoot over his outstretched arms and not block every shot. And he needs to be smarter while guarding smaller guys out on the perimeter, they often tend to run right at him and Darko gets whistled, he needs to move his feet better and be smarter and too aggresive.
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Re: Darko's foul trouble/poor rebounding 

Post#23 » by shmoosicle » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:09 am

I'd be more concerned about his scoring. He makes less than a point a shot... why is he shooting it so much?
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Post#24 » by Devilzsidewalk » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:29 am

his offense was pretty frustrating tonight, he pussy foots it around the rim too much, he's got the size to bring the pain but he's always doing those 1 handed imminent brick putback attempts and doing these little flip shots. He's got too much strength and agility to play like that
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Post#25 » by southern wolf » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:42 am

Still, no fouls and a double-double tonight. Has that ever happened with Darko before?
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Re: Darko's foul trouble/poor rebounding 

Post#26 » by Darko Miliminutes » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:44 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:his offense was pretty frustrating tonight, he pussy foots it around the rim too much, he's got the size to bring the pain but he's always doing those 1 handed imminent brick putback attempts and doing these little flip shots. He's got too much strength and agility to play like that


AGREED!

You'd think that one of these days he's going to realize that he is bigger and stronger than 95% of the league, and start bullying it to the rim some. He could be drawing so many fouls...
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Post#27 » by CoffeeJanitor » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:56 am

shmoosicle wrote:I'd be more concerned about his scoring. He makes less than a point a shot... why is he shooting it so much?
Because when he's on, he's on.
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Re: Darko's foul trouble/poor rebounding 

Post#28 » by Ledeni » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:13 am

I dont think he is a poor rebounder, he is averige rebounder in defence and above averige in offence...also he tips his teammates for rebounds more than others... I would love the see him more agressive for rebounds tho.

Foul trouble is a problem sometime, especially when he earns 2 or more quick fouls. I think there is several reasons for that but main two are.
His defensive mentality (You can't score over me), so he is overagressive sometime in the defence.
Nobody protect the rim except Darko, so he is more likely to pick up fouls. Love is great rebounder/and offencive player but let's face is he is bad in defence.
Also he have some iracional fouls sometime.
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Post#29 » by Ledeni » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:25 am

I would give Darko 34-36 minutes a game, and ~40 when he is hot and not in foul trouble.


Darko games when he plays more than 30 minutes.

14 games

14pts 11rebounds 2ass 2bls 33m
11pts 10rebounds 2ass 2stl 5bls 32m
16pts 5rebounds 2ass 3stl 2bls 34m
25pts 11rebounds 1stl 32m
11pts 5rebounds 2ass 7bls 37m
12pts 8rebounds 3ass 2bls 36m
9pts 7rebounds 3ass 2bls 30m
22pts 8rebounds 4 ass 5bls 33m
21pts 4rebounds 2 ass 3bls 36m
23pts 16rebounds 5ass 2stl 6bls 40m
11pts 3rebounds 2ass 1stl 3bls 32m
13pts 12rebounds 5ass 4bls 38m
9pts 8rebounds 4ass 1bls 32m
10pts 7rebounds 2ass 1stl 2bls 35m

14.79pts 8.21 rebounds 2.71ass 0.79stl 3.14 bls in 34.29 minutes.


93/188 49.47% FG

43 turnovers 3.07 per game.

45 PF 3.2 per game.


Pretty good if you asked me.
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Re: Darko's foul trouble/poor rebounding 

Post#30 » by Someone Else » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:49 pm

UK-Wolf wrote:
HEKTOR wrote:If Darko could manage to avg 10ppg, 7rbs by the end of the season, I'd be impressed.

Put that up to about 12 and yeah, same.

Darko's an integral part of the team for me, he's one of, if not our most important players on our roster. He gives us so much when on the court, mainly defensively that we lack so so much. I think he's the only guy on our roster average over 1 block for christ sake.

Anyways, back to the OP, though he does give up some silly fouls I think a lot of it is just being unlucky and just very clever Basketball play. Or the refs just being far, far too strict when it comes to contact. The slightest brush off a player and you get whistled these days which isn't great. Darko's always in and around the rim and our only good shot blocker so he's bound to get all these calls against him when he's the only guy contesting. Hence why K-Love hardly gets foul calls, he rarely contests the way Darko does.

As for rebounding, well basically what everyone's already said. Love gobbles up all the defensive boards. With Darko being the one most aggressive contest wise he's going to be out of position for the rebound too thus allowing Love to get them. I'm not entirely bothered about his rebounding. It's the silly TO's and foul call's that bother me.

I'd be over the moon for Darko to average 12 ppg, 7 rpg, 2 blocks and 2 assists. Klomp summed it up perfectly, Darko's stats are never gonna' jump out the paper and he doesn't care that much about it. He gives us far, far more than stats.



Very good post.
Darko is a team player first, he doesent care if he get the rebound, it is matter that wolves grab it.
I cant wait to see him shooting some jump shot, only one this season is against Dunkan with fade away, I really dont understand why he not shot any other shot except hook.
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Re: Darko's foul trouble/poor rebounding 

Post#31 » by Greco21 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:56 pm

Ledeni wrote:I
Nobody protect the rim except Darko, so he is more likely to pick up fouls. Love is great rebounder/and offencive player but let's face is he is bad in defence.
Also he have some iracional fouls sometime.


That was what its been posted all week here. Mainly because of the perimeter and less becuase of Love IMO. But if you notice the Wizards game Darko had 0 fouls in the first quorter but the perimeter players had 5 fouls early on (wes Johnson two) and they were fouls on penetrations. He managed on his own as well not going to block but just trying to alter shots.

On the other hand since he had no fouls and MGee had 3 early on he should go harder on the second half.

So that was a good adjustment for Minnesota.
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Re: Darko's foul trouble/poor rebounding 

Post#32 » by Ledeni » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:53 pm

Someone Else wrote:
UK-Wolf wrote:
HEKTOR wrote:If Darko could manage to avg 10ppg, 7rbs by the end of the season, I'd be impressed.

Put that up to about 12 and yeah, same.

Darko's an integral part of the team for me, he's one of, if not our most important players on our roster. He gives us so much when on the court, mainly defensively that we lack so so much. I think he's the only guy on our roster average over 1 block for christ sake.

Anyways, back to the OP, though he does give up some silly fouls I think a lot of it is just being unlucky and just very clever Basketball play. Or the refs just being far, far too strict when it comes to contact. The slightest brush off a player and you get whistled these days which isn't great. Darko's always in and around the rim and our only good shot blocker so he's bound to get all these calls against him when he's the only guy contesting. Hence why K-Love hardly gets foul calls, he rarely contests the way Darko does.

As for rebounding, well basically what everyone's already said. Love gobbles up all the defensive boards. With Darko being the one most aggressive contest wise he's going to be out of position for the rebound too thus allowing Love to get them. I'm not entirely bothered about his rebounding. It's the silly TO's and foul call's that bother me.

I'd be over the moon for Darko to average 12 ppg, 7 rpg, 2 blocks and 2 assists. Klomp summed it up perfectly, Darko's stats are never gonna' jump out the paper and he doesn't care that much about it. He gives us far, far more than stats.



Very good post.
Darko is a team player first, he doesent care if he get the rebound, it is matter that wolves grab it.
I cant wait to see him shooting some jump shot, only one this season is against Dunkan with fade away, I really dont understand why he not shot any other shot except hook.


I heard somewhere something like that hook shot is his security blanket... and I must agree with that. That is his shot in which he is confident. Also all of his career Darko had limited minutes and inconsistent minutes. So he never had a chance to develop his game propertly, and see what he can really do.

Its really shame that he play more diverse when he was a kid and a prospect than now.

Just compare him 5+ years ago and now. This is when he played for SCG national team in Europe.

16.2 pts, 9.3 rbs, 2.83 bs, 1.9 ass :D

He was one of top 3 players of that entire competition (I think only Dirk was better in general). After that I was thinking they will give him more chance to play, but nothing like nobody watched that. :(

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xagDSZZyVL4[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJHI7_972V8[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7UqR6IKc6U[/youtube]

He need more playing time, and to be more involved in the game offensivly and he will give you more. That is just the way he plays. :wink:
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Re: Darko's foul trouble/poor rebounding 

Post#33 » by Someone Else » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:36 pm

@Ledeni

I was watch that games live :)

Years off none playing can do serious damage. But it is good that he isnt totaly ruined, he will be good such as he predicted.

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