[Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7

Knick_Fury · Post #1361 » by **Knick_Fury** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:45 pm

"Still, I have a chance to win a championship and make less money, I don’t have a problem with that.”

This quote makes me a happy camper.

TrueWarrior · Post #1362 » by **TrueWarrior** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:47 pm

I have a question.... if we sign Melo this offseason why do we have to do a sign and trade? Most people keep suggesting wed have to do one. I never understood that. Why give the other team anything if we dont have to? Cant we just sign him straight up? I guess Im missing something but Im no guru.

bigguy44 · Post #1363 » by **bigguy44** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:47 pm

knicks742 wrote:I advice the russian to save the expense of flying to Denver to be told no. He was told no in this interview.

czoneny · Post #1364 » by **czoneny** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:47 pm

im not sure why all of you are celebrating like its a done deal already, from the looks of that interview it doesn't completely shut the door on going to NJ.

haven't we learned from that certain Robin down in south beach?

Fury · Post #1365 » by **Fury** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:48 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:I have a question.... if we sign Melo this offseason why do we have to do a sign and trade? Most people keep suggesting wed have to do one. I never understood that. Why give the other team anything if we dont have to? Cant we just sign him straight up? I guess Im missing something but Im no guru.

If we want to keep Chandler, maybe it's best we sign and trade. Another thing, Melo would want 6 years if he opts out.

Context · Post #1366 » by **Context** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:51 pm

czoneny wrote:im not sure why all of you are celebrating like its a done deal already, from the looks of that interview it doesn't completely shut the door on going to NJ.

haven't we learned from that certain Robin down in south beach?

That Robin went to an instant winning situation. If the Nets were that type of opportunity I would be concerned...

Context · Post #1367 » by **Context** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:55 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:I have a question.... if we sign Melo this offseason why do we have to do a sign and trade? Most people keep suggesting wed have to do one. I never understood that. Why give the other team anything if we dont have to? Cant we just sign him straight up? I guess Im missing something but Im no guru.

To sum it up. If we do not get Melo via sign and trade it limits us as far as adding players and keeping players. However, if we get him in a sign and trade I am sure Donnie is going to stack this team so we can be in a position to have the MLE available to us in the summer...

soby22 · Post #1368 » by **soby22** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:56 pm

people the more you celebrate now the more chances for carmelo going to nets is a possibility, the more hurt were gona get.. you guys forgot july 12.or 13..or w.e it was..mr james..i know yo all remeber that.. so guys cut out the celebration until CARMELO IS OFICIALLY OURS..

Post #1369 » by **K_ick_God** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:57 pm

It's hard to make heads or tails about what Melo says. If you add it all up, there are always a lot of contradictions. But part of him at least seems to want to just win and signing with the Knicks would give him his best chance at a title.

Again, his thoughts are all over the place but among his greatest wishes seems to be to win a title on a big stage with Amar'e as his wing man.

Again, a player's legacy of winning is all he has next to whatever paychecks he's collected.

So follow through Melo!

AllanHoustonFan · Post #1370 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:58 pm

soby22 wrote:people the more you celebrate now the more chances for carmelo going to nets is a possibility, the more hurt were gona get.. you guys forgot july 12.or 13..or w.e it was..mr james..i know yo all remeber that.. so guys cut out the celebration until CARMELO IS OFICIALLY OURS..

lolwut? How is us celebrating going to make him go to the Nets or not?

Knick_Fury · Post #1371 » by **Knick_Fury** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:59 pm

soby22 wrote:people the more you celebrate now the more chances for carmelo going to nets is a possibility, the more hurt were gona get.. you guys forgot july 12.or 13..or w.e it was..mr james..i know yo all remeber that.. so guys cut out the celebration until CARMELO IS OFICIALLY OURS..

Jeez, you & czoneny are making it seem like people are popping bottles up in here. :lol:

Falstaffxx · Post #1372 » by **Falstaffxx** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:01 pm

Pedro Pistolas wrote:
Falstaffxx wrote:NJ makes no sense, and the only way I'm wrong is if A) I'm dramatically underestimating Carmelo's Brooklyn-loyalty and B) Dramatically overestimating his aversion to playing in Newark next year and C) dramatically overestimating his desire to win and D) dramatically underestimating Carmelo's desire to take field trips to Moscow so that Prok can inspect the troops.

I don't think all four of those things are the case, so: NJ makes no sense.

How doesn't it make sense for NJ? Who wouldn't want to acquire a premier player in their prime...
If I'm walsh I wouldn't give Denver anything more than Curry/ Randolph....no need to try to appease their desires when there's a option of us signing melo during the off-season..
Oh and it feels good having pharmcat on ignore!

What difference does it make whether or not it makes sense for NJ?

Post #1373 » by **GONYK** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:14 pm

czoneny wrote:im not sure why all of you are celebrating like its a done deal already, from the looks of that interview it doesn't completely shut the door on going to NJ.

haven't we learned from that certain Robin down in south beach?

Battered Fan Syndrome...

Lebron and Melo are not analogous

kingOfqueens · Post #1374 » by **kingOfqueens** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:14 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:I have a question.... if we sign Melo this offseason why do we have to do a sign and trade? Most people keep suggesting wed have to do one. I never understood that. Why give the other team anything if we dont have to? Cant we just sign him straight up? I guess Im missing something but Im no guru.

I think its because if he leaves Denver outright he'd only be allowed to sign with us for around $16 mil per year. Denver has his bird rights so they can offer him much more money (3yrs/65mil extension) so he'd want us to do a sign and trade so he could get more money. Same reason we got amare via sign and trade so he cud get his full max money with phnx's bird rights.

knicks82023 · Post #1375 » by **knicks82023** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:17 pm

kingOfqueens wrote:
TrueWarrior wrote:I have a question.... if we sign Melo this offseason why do we have to do a sign and trade? Most people keep suggesting wed have to do one. I never understood that. Why give the other team anything if we dont have to? Cant we just sign him straight up? I guess Im missing something but Im no guru.

I think its because if he leaves Denver outright he'd only be allowed to sign with us for around $16 mil per year. Denver has his bird rights so they can offer him much more money (3yrs/65mil extension) so he'd want us to do a sign and trade so he could get more money. Same reason we got amare via sign and trade so he cud get his full max money with phnx's bird rights.

Amare actually didn't sign for his full max with bird rights. We did the Amare S&T to give us a little more wiggle room in the cap b/c with the Max raises, his starting salary was a little lower. Technically Amare could have gotten a 6th year with his full max bird rights.

The premise is right though. If we do a Carmelo S&T, we can give him a longer contract/more money

stuporman · Post #1376 » by **stuporman** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:21 pm

It's got to be a really hard decision for him. Watching that interview you could see how he cares about this decision and everyone it would impact.

It will be interesting to see what he does.

Post #1377 » by **K_ick_God** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:23 pm

KBerg_CBS

According to one management sourrce, Melo may not lose a dime by passing on extension because all contracts will be rolled back anyway.

AllanHoustonFan · Post #1378 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:24 pm

KnicksGod wrote:KBerg_CBS

According to one management sourrce, Melo may not lose a dime by passing on extension because all contracts will be rolled back anyway.

I hope Melo is being told this by CAA

Fury · Post #1379 » by **Fury** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:24 pm

KnicksGod wrote:KBerg_CBS

According to one management sourrce, Melo may not lose a dime by passing on extension because all contracts will be rolled back anyway.

Why doesn't anyone consider this? Well the media? This is so obvious.

Post #1380 » by **GONYK** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:25 pm

stuporman wrote:It's got to be a really hard decision for him. Watching that interview you could see how he cares about this decision and everyone it would impact.

It will be interesting to see what he does.

As long as he cares about himself above all, then we will be fine