Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony

jeff1624 · Post #1161 » by **jeff1624** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:33 pm

Knicker23 wrote:^ melo would be a legend if he won with the knicks, perhaps more so given it's been so long since we've been anywhere near.

I just don't understand why everyone seems to believe that melo would put them over the top. The team is already leading the league when it comes to scoring.. what they really need is depth and a Center. 'Melo would add a couple of wins at most since they'd be giving Chandler (who's been pretty damn good) and probably Landry Fields (a guy that's perfect as the fifth man in a starting lineup) in a deal. They'd be giving up some of the few assets they already have limiting their opportunities to bolster their bench issues.. unless you want Amare, Felton and Melo all to play 40 minutes a night and completely breakdown by march.

Melo could go during FA, but with the looming CBA negotiations/potential lockout.. do you really hold it against him that he wants to secure his money first.. this is his Job/Career.

And let's be honest, would melo have any realistic shot at winning w the nets? Even two stars isn't a sure thing nowadays,

True, yet:

you'd have to question whether melo truly cares about winning if he goes to the nets.... Especially when he could be in NY w Amare and co.

You just said two stars isn't even a sure thing to win nowadays.

J Smitty · Post #1162 » by **J Smitty** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:51 pm

It'd be much easier for Melo to get another star to play with him if he were with the Nets, than if he were with the Knicks...simply because they wouldn't have Amare's 20 million dollar deal to contend with. Adding a guy like CP3 when you already have 40 million committed to two players? I just don't see it.

New York would be the much better short term option, but their ability to improve a lot more would be extremely limited, IMO. NJ would retain significantly more flexibility for further improvement. New York's window is 3-4 years with Amare and his major health concerns.

As far as fan support....you're right, what do I know, I'm just an ignorant outsider. I definitely haven't personally surveyed each of the millions of people that live in NY like some of you seem to have. But I would say, if basketball is like a religion in a city of that size, maybe adding another team for people to follow and go watch(and actually get a chance to watch live) would be something people would like. And while I may not know much about NY, I have witnessed what the MSG crowd was like during the past few crap years the Knicks had...with a bunch of people chanting MVP for guys like Kobe and Lebron. Says to me there are just as many basketball fans, as Knicks fans, in the area. Bring a star like Melo (maybe CP3) to Brooklyn...you can bet your ass people are going to go watch him play.

Shaheen · Post #1163 » by **Shaheen** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:18 pm

knicks33and49 wrote:
I'd say 80% of basketball fans in new jersey like either the knicks or the sixers.

Wow way to completely make up statistics. Especially when your clearly not from NJ. That's total bs. There are I would say 4 or 5 Knick fans in my school compared to over 100 Net fans. Not even close.

dznutzz · Post #1164 » by **dznutzz** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:14 pm

the knicks have more money to burn. melo's commited to go to the knicks. however, if the nets add cp3 in the offseason he will stay for sure.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #1165 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:18 pm

Knicker23 wrote:^ melo would be a legend if he won with the knicks, perhaps more so given it's been so long since we've been anywhere near. And let's be honest, would melo have any realistic shot at winning w the nets? Even two stars isn't a sure thing nowadays, you'd have to question whether melo truly cares about winning if he goes to the nets.... Especially when he could be in NY w Amare and co.

6 months ago the Knicks were a laughingstock. Why is it that they can turn their franchise around with one star - but the Nets can't?

Stone · Post #1166 » by **Stone** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:57 am

I just went back 100 pages on general basketball talk and this looks like right now this could be the biggest thread of the season. Only two game threads "Big three vs Big three" and "Heat @ Cavs' went more pages. Also MagnumT's "I (heart) Lebron, Bosh and Wade" topic thread on page 98 which went 95 pages are beating the Melo drama so far. The Melo thread just went 100 pages on the Nets board and for us thats a pretty big deal. I think we only had about 4 or 5 threads that big.

ikidunot · Post #1167 » by **ikidunot** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:43 am

If Melo want to win a title I think he should stay in the Western Conference. The Lakers aren't dominant no more, The Spurs have to wear out eventually, the Mavs are the Mavs, the Jazz are a regular season team. If he go to the East in the long run he might have a harder time winning a Championship with the Knicks on the rise, the Bulls on the rise, Atlanta on the rise, the Magic on the rise and the Heat on the rise.

ikidunot · Post #1168 » by **ikidunot** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:45 am

The Pistons are sitting out Hamilton tonight, I wonder if that have anything to do with the trade that is suppose to happen next week?

Blackmun · Post #1169 » by **Blackmun** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:05 am

Shaheen wrote:Wow way to completely make up statistics. Especially when your clearly not from NJ. That's total bs. There are I would say 4 or 5 Knick fans in my school compared to over 100 Net fans. Not even close.

How do they feel about being fans of a "home team" that's just dying to get out of there?

Jetset · Post #1170 » by **Jetset** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:25 am

Gemini850 wrote:If Melo want to win a title I think he should stay in the Western Conference. The Lakers aren't dominant no more, The Spurs have to wear out eventually, the Mavs are the Mavs, the Jazz are a regular season team. If he go to the East in the long run he might have a harder time winning a Championship with the Knicks on the rise, the Bulls on the rise, Atlanta on the rise, the Magic on the rise and the Heat on the rise.

Lakers have a good 1-2 years of competing for a title left before its over and even when its over for them, OKC will just pick up where the Lakers left off and thats steam rolling its way over Denver and into the Finals. With that said unless Denver builds a better team around Melo and provide a true #2 guy to complement him, he should join the Knicks. Felton/STAT/Melo and a good bench could own the Eastern conference and give the Heat a run for their money.

If what Melo says is true about not objecting to staying in Denver, why doesn't Denver try and trade for a legit star, contend in the conference, and make Melo stay?

Blackmun · Post #1171 » by **Blackmun** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:32 am

J Smitty wrote: In Brooklyn, he'd be THE star...their hometown hero.

Brooklyn has a population of 2.600.000, Denver has a population of 610.000. If he wanted to be the big fish, in a small pond, he'd be staying put.

He could take that new Brooklyn franchise, in the new arena, and build his legacy there. If he cares so much about going back to the east coast and playing where he is from, that sounds a lot more appealing to me(going to Brooklyn and creating a legacy), than just being the next big name to sign with a New York team.

He'd be 30 years old before the team even moves to Brooklyn. He'd be close to his mid 30s by the time they were serious contenders. He'd be close to 40 before the "Brooklyn Nets" would have any chance to rival the Knicks.

As for not just being "the next big name"; if he actually wants to win a championship, he's going to have to accept not being the only guy around. Single players do not win championships. No matter how great. (And he really isn't that great).

Sh0t · Post #1172 » by **Sh0t** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:36 am

Denver needs a revamp in general, with or without Melo. They are not terrible, but they are in stasis.

As for NY fans. Born and raised in NYC here, Queens. I was a big knicks fan, but growing up in HS and the like, you saw jerseys from all the front-runners, not just knicks. I saw more MJ jerseys than ewing. But I think in general more people in NYC prefer guards anyway. I was a 'young, impressionable" mind during the best years of the Patrick Ewing Knicks.

I owned a Starks jersey and a Mitch Richmond Jersey. Starks was my hometown hero, mitch richmond was the player I tried to play most like.

NYC loves basketball, not sure how much they love the knicks. I could see the Brooklyn nets becoming the ghetto's favorite team, especially in comparison to all the snobby socialite types you see at MSG.

If this were 1995, and the brooklyn nets existed, I would have been a Brooklyn fan for sure unless they had an unnatural lack of charisma.

J Smitty · Post #1173 » by **J Smitty** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:38 am

Stan Kroenke sitting courtside at tonight's game. Doesn't attend games extremely often. Take that however you want.

Blackmun · Post #1174 » by **Blackmun** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:39 am

Sh0t wrote:As for NY fans. Born and raised in NYC here, Queens. I was a big knicks fan, but growing up in HS and the like, you saw jerseys from all the front-runners, not just knicks. I saw more MJ jerseys than ewing. But I think in general more people in NYC prefer guards anyway. I was a 'young, impressionable" mind during the best years of the Patrick Ewing Knicks.

I think that could be said for any city in America. Bandwagoners always outnumber true fans.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #1175 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:43 am

knick fans have got to stop with the "melo is not winning a title in new jersey!" crap.

it may be true but hes not winning one in NYC either and thats not the reason he wants to be a knick.

the winning argument does not work at all.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #1176 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:44 am

Blackmun wrote:
J Smitty wrote: In Brooklyn, he'd be THE star...their hometown hero.

Brooklyn has a population of 2.600.000, Denver has a population of 610.000. If he wanted to be the big fish, in a small pond, he'd be staying put.

He could take that new Brooklyn franchise, in the new arena, and build his legacy there. If he cares so much about going back to the east coast and playing where he is from, that sounds a lot more appealing to me(going to Brooklyn and creating a legacy), than just being the next big name to sign with a New York team.

He'd be 30 years old before the team even moves to Brooklyn. He'd be close to his mid 30s by the time they were serious contenders. He'd be close to 40 before the "Brooklyn Nets" would have any chance to rival the Knicks.

As for not just being "the next big name"; if he actually wants to win a championship, he's going to have to accept not being the only guy around. Single players do not win championships. No matter how great. (And he really isn't that great).

if he wants to a win a title he wont goto the knicks. he would demand a trade to a few other teams.

CoffeeJanitor · Post #1177 » by **CoffeeJanitor** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:54 am

Sh0t · Post #1178 » by **Sh0t** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:56 am

I have a suspicion somehow, someway, steve nash and melo are going to end up on the same team

hoops4life · Post #1179 » by **hoops4life** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:03 am

He cares more about winning than money but wants to go to the knicks... seems odd to me.

Jetset · Post #1180 » by **Jetset** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:10 am

hoops4life wrote:He cares more about winning than money but wants to go to the knicks... seems odd to me.

Its not to me. When are you people going to open your eyes and see that the Knicks are actually a really good team this year. Stoudemire has changed the Knicks into a winning franchise. And where else is he going to go thats going to give him a better chance of winning than NYK?