Olden Days Sig Mystery

[impulsenine]

Hey everybody, here's a Suns-related bit of sleuthing I need help with.

My uncle got a bunch of signatures on a sheet of paper when he was a teenager "in the 70's sometime" . I'm trying to determine (a) who all these people are and (b) if/which squad they were on. Note: Not all of 'em appear to be Suns.

Some of the signatures are pretty clear (Steve Kerr, Dick Van Arsdale - who signed twice - and Jerry Sloan in particular), but others ... help?

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Additionally, there's this massive chunk'o'signatures that I can't make heads or tails of...

[Wannabe MEP]

We need a numbering system on this:

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18)

[JPHX]

3. Neal Walk
4. Connie Hawkins

..and thats all i got,

[JasonDaPsycho]

No. 4 seems like Connie Hawkins.
And can no.8 be Rick Barry?

[Wannabe MEP]

1) Gail Goodrich 1968-1970
2) Lamar Green 1969-1974
3) Neal Walk 69-74
4) Connie Hawkins 69-74
5) Jim Fox 68-70
6) Arsdale
7) Barry Clemens (not a Sun)
8) " ?
9) Jerry Sloan
10) Neil Johnson? 68-70
11) Dick Snyder 68-70
12) Gary Gregor 68-69
13) Bob Warlick? 68-69
14) Arsdale
15) Jim Fox 68-70
16) Kerr
17) David Lattin? 68-69
18) George Wilson 68-69

[Wannabe MEP]

16) Johnny "Red" Kerr, not Steve Kerr coach 68-70

[Skyfist7]

1) Gail Goodrich
2) Lamar Green
3) Neal Walk
4) Connie Hawkins
5) Jim Fox
6) D. Van Arsdale
7) Barry Celmens
8) ?
9) Jerry Sloan
10) Ollie Johnson?
11) Dick Snyder
12) Gary Gregor
13) ?
14) D. Van Arsdale
15) Jim Fox
16) ?
17) Dave Lattin
18) George Wilson

This site was very useful:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/

[Wannabe MEP]

This site was very useful:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/

Haha, I had the same idea. then I just camped out on the rosters in those years, like this one:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/1969.html

[Miklo]

8 is Barry Clemens attempting a signature but the pen running low on ink

There are enough consistencies in the "Barry" in 7 and 8 that IMO that has to be the case

Oh and good job guys

[JohnVancouver]

Very cool - Stumpy Goodrich was a hero of mine, particularly after it became clear i was nto going to get much past 5'10"
But I will always think of him as a laker

[impulsenine]

Despite my uncle's lack of recollection, I think we can say that he definitely brought this sheet of paper to two separate games in different seasons. There's too many guys that weren't one each others' teams (Gary Gregor, Dave Lattin, Bob Warlick, George Wilson, Lamar Green, Connie Hawkins, Neal Walk).

My uncle didn't miss very many players - Paul Silas, Art Harris, and Jerry Chalmers were the only guys he missed that got more than 1,000 minutes in a season. I'll have give him a high-five next time I see him.

At least one of those occasions - when Jerry Sloan and Barry Clemens signed - can be dated. Both played for with Chicago in '68-'69 (but did not play together in '69-'70), so they probably signed it together at Veteran's Memorial on either Halloween, 1968, or Jan 24, 1969.

The Suns' '68-'69 squad (red = signed and in this squad only, purple = signed and part of both)
Ed Biedenbach
Jim Fox
Gail Goodrich
Gary Gregor
Neil Johnson
Rod Knowles
Dave Lattin
Stan McKenzie
McCoy McLemore
Dick Snyder
Dick Van Arsdale
Bob Warlick
George Wilson

Johnny "Red" Kerr



The Suns' '69-'70 squad (red = signed and in this squad only, purple = signed and part of both)
Jerry Chambers
Jim Fox
Gail Goodrich
Lamar Green
Art Harris
Connie Hawkins
Neil Johnson
Stan McKenzie
Paul Silas
Dick Snyder
Dick Van Arsdale
Neal Walk

Johnny "Red" Kerr

[impulsenine]

There is one more that we haven't figured out, though (and I've tried):

I think the sig on the upper-right is upside-down, so I've flipped it in the drop-shadowed part.

[Kingsforlife]

[Wannabe MEP]

There is one more that we haven't figured out, though (and I've tried):

I think the sig on the upper-right is upside-down, so I've flipped it in the drop-shadowed part.

Bob Love, from the 68-69 Chicago team with Sloan and Clemens?

[Wannabe MEP]

There is one more that we haven't figured out, though (and I've tried):

I think the sig on the upper-right is upside-down, so I've flipped it in the drop-shadowed part.

Just guesses:

1) "Erwin" as in Erwin Mueller
2) "Barnes" as in Jim Barnes
3) "Boerwinkle" as in Thomas Boerwinkle

All from 68-69 Chicago team.

[impulsenine]

Care to translate yourself?

[impulsenine]

Bob Love seems reasonable for the upside-down one.

The others ... hmm.

[Kingsforlife]

Care to translate yourself?

Bob Warlick aint 100 percent sure since the l looks like a h and the k at the end looks like a total g

[impulsenine]

Care to translate yourself?

Bob Warlick aint 100 percent sure since the l looks like a h and the k at the end looks like a total g

Yeah, a few of 'em aren't 100%, but it seems like way too much of a coincidence for there the be a Bob Wa-----, you know?

[RunDogGun]

Good call on the Bob Love sig.