So Umm, Still Think Stan Is A "Championship" Coach?

MitchellUK · Post #61 » by **MitchellUK** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:54 pm

Willjakkz saw a shadow, six more weeks o' SVG.

Seriously, why are we going through this again? No-one's saying he is a perfect coach, but he is a damn good one, one of the best, and he absolutely could lead us to a title.

Nemesis21 · Post #62 » by **Nemesis21** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:00 pm

MitchellUK wrote:Willjakkz saw a shadow, six more weeks o' SVG.

Seriously, why are we going through this again? No-one's saying he is a perfect coach, but he is a damn good one, one of the best, and he absolutely could lead us to a title.

vc4three · Post #63 » by **vc4three** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:08 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
MitchellUK wrote:Willjakkz saw a shadow, six more weeks o' SVG.

Seriously, why are we going through this again? No-one's saying he is a perfect coach, but he is a damn good one, one of the best, and he absolutely could lead us to a title.

Oh yeah of course... cause he's proven to be capable of making the right adjustments during a series or game... oh wait... :-?

Everyone wants to point to us making the Finals but guess WHAT?!?!?!??! KG Didn't play! SVG Had to make 0 adjustments during that series! Every other team we beat, we beat because we were flat out better then them (yes that includes the Cavs) And now guess what again?!?!? That is clearly not the case anymore :lol:

Boy I can't wait for these playoffs when all of you will jump off of this guys bandwagon. AND YES we should have won that Boston series. We had homecourt, and quite frankly if we had a decent coach, with a good system, we wouldn't have gone down 3-0!!!! I don't care if we weren't better but there is NO excuse for that at all.

rendezvousness · Post #64 » by **rendezvousness** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:09 pm

WOW. 13 votes for stan? lmao.. get real ppl...

FIRE STAN. HIRE LARRY BROWN.

Sugar Cane · Post #65 » by **Sugar Cane** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:17 pm

Is Jerry Sloan a "championship" coach??? He and Stan have the same amount of rings...kinda...Stan has one from Miami seeing as he was still a part of the organization.

BOOM!

And just to make the initial question that more silly to take in, here's one: Is Tyron Lue a "championship" PG? That guy has some serious bling...just saying.

magicman123 · Post #66 » by **magicman123** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:28 pm

stan's stubbornness will be his downfall, somethings gotta give

Post #67 » by **craig01** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:30 pm

vc4three wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:
MitchellUK wrote:Willjakkz saw a shadow, six more weeks o' SVG.

Seriously, why are we going through this again? No-one's saying he is a perfect coach, but he is a damn good one, one of the best, and he absolutely could lead us to a title.

Oh yeah of course... cause he's proven to be capable of making the right adjustments during a series or game... oh wait... Everyone wants to point to us making the Finals but guess WHAT?!?!?!??! KG Didn't play! SVG Had to make 0 adjustments during that series! Every other team we beat, we beat because we were flat out better then them (yes that includes the Cavs) And now guess what again?!?!? That is clearly not the case anymore Boy I can't wait for these playoffs when all of you will jump off of this guys bandwagon.

You think SVG really had to make no adjustments against Boston? The Magic rolled over Boston because of no KG, and the team ran on it's own. And the Magic rolling over a 65 win Cavs team along with other opponents was so easy because the Magic were just flat out better.

So, SVG had nothing to do with the former Magic team because it was on "auto-pilot". Got that.

So, what you are saying is that the "players" being better were responsible for those wins. Got that too.

Why is it the case now that SVG gets the blame, while players inabilities to perform at high levels consistently are ignored? Isn't there a possibility that the Magic are just not "flat out" better than some of their opponents anymore......because of the players on the team?

There is a huge tendency by many Magic fans to inflate players' true abilities and fail to recognize weaknesses that these players have......and what these weaknesses mean to a team "collectively".

Red Auerbach and John Wooden would struggle here too.

M1Magic · Post #68 » by **M1Magic** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:31 pm

I have to agree and disagree. Championship coach or not, being stubborn and close minded will hurt Stans chance at getting close again. I don't think its a bad idea to give these guys some more freedom. Stan is a dam good coach so it's hard to be a critic, but all these regular season games should be preparation for the post season, and his preparation tactics are very suspect at times.

Oh and LOL at people who say we may not have the pieces or you have to do with what you have LOL... We are talking about pros here in the NBA and mostly any player on any team has the ability to make a name for himself (we should know this as Magic fans). If you really think we don't have to talent and will on this squad to win it all, then you need to stop watching these Magic GAMES -- because that is all this is -- and if you can't trust this team to win, then why even be a fan. Not to mention we are a pretty skilled team with all sorts of styles of players, not only three point shooters. Get a clue people. We need to get our upbeat tempo back, and that comes with good positive coaching, sorry.

We are still doing well, but Stan needs to leave some of his emotions at home and get these guys ready for the playoffs, all of them. Oh and I'm tired of hearing about players being cold and shouldn't come in to assist on D with a fresh pair of legs. These guys get paid to be ready to have their number called.

NickAnderson · Post #69 » by **NickAnderson** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:36 pm

Sure it's not Stan's fault that the shots aren't falling but it is his job to help find other ways for the team to score. Like I don't know maybe run plays for players to get to the line more and DRIVE. But only good coaches adjust and would do that but Stan lets them shoot jump shots.

vc4three · Post #70 » by **vc4three** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:42 pm

NickAnderson wrote:Sure it's not Stan's fault that the shots aren't falling but it is his job to help find other ways for the team to score. Like I don't know maybe run plays for players to get to the line more and DRIVE. But only good coaches adjust and would do that but Stan lets them shoot jump shots.

YES YES YES A MILLION TIMES YES! I wouldn't even blame SVG if he tries something different like most coaches do but he does NOTHING! NOTHING!

Cammo101 · Post #71 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:53 pm

I don't know what is worse, the fact that people want Stan fired or the fact that they actually want Larry Brown as our coach.

How long have you people had your head's buried in the sand?

Neato · Post #72 » by **Neato** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:56 pm

There are too many assumptions being made here regarding the guidance Stan gives to the players.

NickAnderson · Post #73 » by **NickAnderson** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:58 pm

I would rather have Stan then Larry but we are stuck with him now. Last year there were still some coaches available but now none.

WeAreVenom · Post #74 » by **WeAreVenom** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:01 pm

magicman123 wrote:stan's stubbornness will be his downfall, somethings gotta give

maginno · Post #75 » by **maginno** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:10 pm

CraZyPraiZ wrote:You'll never win this argument.
Our streak started on December 23rd and we had 5 in a row by Dec 30th. No time for practice.
We then have a few days off from the end of the year till the 3rd where we proceeded to win 4 more in a row in a span of 6 days.

We HAD practices in that time. My "never" just came quick. You already lose. :lol:

But yeah claim otherwise. There are still some people who argue the world is flat too. This idiocy is based on claiming to know what Stan's"system" is and what players choose to do on the court. Please forward either the playbook or recordings of directions given in Stan's voice or you lose again.

This claim that Stan's system only allows for threes and Dwight post ups is ludicrous and not a person posting in this thread has EVEN A SLIVER of evidence that players are told not to take it to the basket.

JJ is a spot up three shooter and he takes it to the basket at times. Is he violating Stan's orders or getting chewed out if it doesn't work? then why does he stay in and get major minutes?

Second request

WHO HAS A MAIN GAME THAT NATURALLY DRIVES TO THE BASKET ON THIS TEAM OUTSIDE OF HEDO'S LIMITED ABILITY?

Crickets are chirping this whole thread long for my two questions

maginno · Post #76 » by **maginno** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:13 pm

rendezvousness wrote:WOW. 13 votes for stan? lmao.. get real ppl...

FIRE STAN. HIRE LARRY BROWN.

I hope it happens so I can laugh myself silly when you guys start begging for a new coach in another year or two.

Post #77 » by **craig01** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:14 pm

M1Magic wrote:Oh and LOL at people who say we may not have the pieces or you have to do with what you have LOL... We are talking about pros here in the NBA and mostly any player on any team has the ability to make a name for himself (we should know this as Magic fans). If you really think we don't have to talent and will on this squad to win it all, then you need to stop watching these Magic GAMES -- because that is all this is -- and if you can't trust this team to win, then why even be a fan. Not to mention we are a pretty skilled team with all sorts of styles of players, not only three point shooters. Get a clue people. We need to get our upbeat tempo back, and that comes with good positive coaching, sorry.

I watch the Magic for entertainment and have supported the team since their inception. While I don't believe the overall nucleus is there for a championship as of now, that shouldn't prevent me from being a fan and supporter of the team.

Players are what they are with their track record and limitations, regardless of being a NBA professional, but there is some room for improvement/cohesiveness with the current roster.

IMO, the Magic ceiling of success is not on the same level as a few other teams. Things can change between now and June, so time will tell.

maginno · Post #78 » by **maginno** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:17 pm

Cammo101 wrote:How long have you people had your head's buried in the sand?

Obviously long enough to affect the electrical wiring. :wink:

magicman123 · Post #79 » by **magicman123** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:18 pm

maginno wrote:
CraZyPraiZ wrote:You'll never win this argument.
Our streak started on December 23rd and we had 5 in a row by Dec 30th. No time for practice.
We then have a few days off from the end of the year till the 3rd where we proceeded to win 4 more in a row in a span of 6 days.

We HAD practices in that time. My "never" just came quick. You already lose.

But yeah claim otherwise. There are still some people who argue the world is flat too. This idiocy is based on claiming to know what Stan's"system" is and what players choose to do on the court. Please forward either the playbook or recordings of directions given in Stan's voice or you lose again.

This claim that Stan's system only allows for threes and Dwight post ups is ludicrous and not a person posting in this thread has EVEN A SLIVER of evidence that players are told not to take it to the basket.

JJ is a spot up three shooter and he takes it to the basket at times. Is he violating Stan's orders or getting chewed out if it doesn't work? then why does he stay in and get major minutes?

Second request

WHO HAS A MAIN GAME THAT NATURALLY DRIVES TO THE BASKET ON THIS TEAM OUTSIDE OF HEDO'S LIMITED ABILITY?

Crickets are chirping this whole thread long for my two questions

your smart you already know the answer to these

maginno · Post #80 » by **maginno** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:26 pm

magicman123 wrote:
your smart you already know the answer to these

Next time to avoid answering what you can't
for variety you can say " mi no speaky english"

I tell you if this were an audition room for American Idol these would definitely be the people who know they can't sing but get dogs to howl for attention.

Can Stan Lead Us To The Promised Land (An NBA Championship)?