[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[Jay10]

Melo and Kobe? Eh, not sure how that would work.

lol

[Jay10]

lmao@ carmelo taking a quick glance as he was walking past the bait the nets put out of the arena in brooklyn

[BLACKFEET 2010]

“If I sit here and tell you I’m willing to lose $15 or $20 million, then I’d be lying to you,” Anthony said. “But at the same time, this has never been about the money. In my career so far, I think I’ve made enough money. Now I can focus on just trying to win a championship. That’s the only thing that’s on my plate and on my mind right now.”

Is this not the very definition of double talk?

[KnicksGadfly]

“If I sit here and tell you I’m willing to lose $15 or $20 million, then I’d be lying to you,” Anthony said. “But at the same time, this has never been about the money. In my career so far, I think I’ve made enough money. Now I can focus on just trying to win a championship. That’s the only thing that’s on my plate and on my mind right now.”

Is this not the very definition of double talk?

just means if he had a choice, he would take both.

[Context]

The more I see this thing play out the less I want to deal with Denver. Donnie can probably clear 18 mil in cap space for the summer. Curry is 11 mil, if Turiaf opts out thats another 4 mil and Randolph being traded for a future 1st gives us another 2 mil in space....ok thats 17 mil there.....plus we lose Buikes deal which is another 3.3 mil thats a little over 20 mil in cap space.

What makes that tricky is if Turiaf doesnt opt out. Then Melo's sincerity is put to the test, will he sign for 15-16 mil his 1st season with annual raises?

To me this is a much better option than trading Chandler plus Gallo or Fields. This team with two out of those 3 is way better than having Melo with only 1 out of those 3. And to those of you that say its better to do the trade so we have the MLE and LLE, we dont even know if those will even be available with the new CBA thats going to be negotiated. Plus Gallo or Fields are both better than anyone whod be willing to sign 4 the MLE anyway.

I did the math 100 times

We would need to trade/renounce AR, Turiaf, Chandler and our 2011 first round for future considerations. As well as the obvious Curry, and Azub. That would give us enough to sign Melo free and clear...

[Pharmcat]

The more I see this thing play out the less I want to deal with Denver. Donnie can probably clear 18 mil in cap space for the summer. Curry is 11 mil, if Turiaf opts out thats another 4 mil and Randolph being traded for a future 1st gives us another 2 mil in space....ok thats 17 mil there.....plus we lose Buikes deal which is another 3.3 mil thats a little over 20 mil in cap space.

What makes that tricky is if Turiaf doesnt opt out. Then Melo's sincerity is put to the test, will he sign for 15-16 mil his 1st season with annual raises?

To me this is a much better option than trading Chandler plus Gallo or Fields. This team with two out of those 3 is way better than having Melo with only 1 out of those 3. And to those of you that say its better to do the trade so we have the MLE and LLE, we dont even know if those will even be available with the new CBA thats going to be negotiated. Plus Gallo or Fields are both better than anyone whod be willing to sign 4 the MLE anyway.

I did the math 100 times

We would need to trade/renounce AR, Turiaf, Chandler and our 2011 first round for future considerations. As well as the obvious Curry, and Azub. That would give us enough to sign Melo free and clear...

thats a lot there...totally defying the 'get melo for free in summer' myth

get him at now

[Context]

“The CBA is in the back of my mind,” Anthony said. “But as far as being afraid to play this out, I’m not. If that’s what it’s going to take, then so be it. I’m with that. I know in the back of my mind what the CBA is up for, what we’re up for dealing with the lockout, things like that. So as long as I know that, my decision will be my decision.”

Asked if he’d be willing to take the risk of passing on the extension and facing the unknown of post-lockout free agency, Anthony said, “Yeah, I mean whether it’s playing this year out and then going back to the drawing table, sitting down with Denver and trying to figure it out, or whether it’s to move on, I’m with that.”

“If I sit here and tell you I’m willing to lose $15 or $20 million, then I’d be lying to you,” Anthony said. “But at the same time, this has never been about the money. In my career so far, I think I’ve made enough money. Now I can focus on just trying to win a championship. That’s the only thing that’s on my plate and on my mind right now.”

Nothing has changed for Anthony, who all along has only considered signing a three-year, $65 million extension with the Knicks or Nuggets – though a person familiar with the strategy being employed by his agents at Creative Artists Agency recently told CBSSports.com that CAA has been consistent since the summer in advising the Nuggets that he won’t re-sign with them. As for Anthony himself, he refuted a previously published report that Knicks star Amar’e Stoudemire had recently texted him urging him to join forces in New York.

“I read that, that he supposedly texted me or something like that,” Anthony said. “I didn’t get it. I didn’t get that text.”

LOL

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/m ... 3/27330708

Exactly....

[Knicker23]

one of the comments to this article

Melo: I'm not afraid to become a free agent
In other news; Melo started a car this morning. He also ate a cheeseburger for lunch. Around two pm he walked up a stair set. The craziest part was yet to come though. An associate of Melo's speaking on the condition of anonymity; stated "Melo loves to play basketball" And he is planning on playing in the NBA next year for sure and would like to win a championship.

Couldn't help but laugh hahah

[Knickplaya]

What's better, Chandler, AR, 1st rd pick for Carmelo...........................or Bynum for Melo?

[Context]

thats a lot there...totally defying the 'get melo for free in summer' myth

get him at now

Ok here it is:

Stat, Felton, Mozz, Gallo, Anthony Randolph, Tony D., Fields, Rautins, Williams, 490,180 (cap hold), 490,180 (cap hold), Melo(salary/minimum cap hold not included to simplify the math)

40,811,051 Total cap hit.

Cap: 58,044,000

Available to sign Melo: 17,232,949

If AR starts to play and we want to keep him we would be counting on Carmelo Anthony taking 1,285,625 LESS. His figure next year is 18,518,574

That's not that bad IMO and IF we are going to give him minutes I would hold on to him.

SO... We would only have to trade/renounce/waive:

Curry
Turiaf
Azub
CHANDLER
Mason
Walker
And our 2011 first rounder for future considerations.

[Future Soldier]

What's better, Chandler, AR, 1st rd pick for Carmelo...........................or Bynum for Melo?

Denver will not trade him to a Conference rival, especially the Lakers and especially not for an injury prone big man with 3 years left on his deal. I wouldn't worry about LA here.

[cgmw]

^
So just to fill out the picture, our team would look like:

5. Mozgov
4. Amar'e
3. Carmelo
2. Fields
1. Felton
-
6. Gallo
7. Douglas
8. Williams
9. Rautins
10. Rookie
11. Minimim Contract
12. Minimum Contract

Depending on how creative Donnie gets, that still leaves us rail thin at PF/C.

[Context]

^
So just to fill out the picture, our team would look like:

5. Mozgov
4. Amar'e
3. Carmelo
2. Fields
1. Felton
-
6. Gallo
7. Douglas
8. Williams
9. Rautins
10. Rookie
11. Minimim Contract
12. Minimum Contract

Depending on how creative Donnie gets, that still leaves us rail thin at PF/C.

Are you leaving out AR on purpose?

And what's out there? I mean we have some assets that we can not have on the team anyway...

CHANDLER
AR (depending on if we want to keep him and Donnie feels Melo will take 1.285 mil less)
Azub (3 million dollar savings contract; 80% insurance payment)
Curry(expiring- maybe it could be used in another teams 3-way)
Walker(not sure what he could net us) 2nd rounder maybe?
Mason(filler in a Chandler sign and trade)
Our 2011 1st(future considerations)

I would trade all of these assets for as many future picks that I could get. Then I would fill out the roster with veterans like Miami did...

[contract]

Serious question from a Heat fan about this whole Melo drama ... wouldn't it be a ton cheaper in terms of players, picks & money to simply trade for Michael Beasley? Sure he's no Melo at this point, but he's only 22 years old, and he's been improving steadily from year to year.

I don't know ... it just seems that it would make more sense to get 80% to 90% of Melo's production at bargain rates and save your assets and money to target Chris Paul or Dwight Howard.

[N8isScofield]

Serious question from a Heat fan about this whole Melo drama ... wouldn't it be a ton cheaper in terms of players, picks & money to simply trade for Michael Beasley? Sure he's no Melo at this point, but he's only 22 years old, and he's been improving steadily from year to year.

I don't know ... it just seems that it would make more sense to get 80% to 90% of Melo's production at bargain rates and save your assets and money to target Chris Paul or Dwight Howard.

One of the biggest factors in wanting to acquire Melo is the fact that he's a closer who draws the respect of the other team's entire defensive unit as well as calls from the referees. This enables us to share the burden between Amar'e and Melo rather than ask one of them to carry us alone. Beasley is playing well but he is neither a closer at this point nor a guy who is going to get "star" calls like Melo will. For us to match up with teams like your Heat and the Celtics and Lakers we need to have more than 1 guy who will get the respect that star players command in this league. You also have to understand that Minny's GM is the biggest douche executive in the league and despite being incredibly stupid, he believes himself to be the smartest GM in the league. I can tell you that the cost for Beasley would likely be equal to or greater than what we would actually end up trading for Melo because Kahn is a professional c*nt.

[duetta]

Just so everyone understands what winning might requires, Lebron and Bosh both took deals starting at 14.5 million, and Wade took a cut to $14 mil.

Lebron, Bosh, and Wade each voluntarily gave up at least $10-$12 million over the life of their deal to form a super team.

[KNEMESIS]

Serious question from a Heat fan about this whole Melo drama ... wouldn't it be a ton cheaper in terms of players, picks & money to simply trade for Michael Beasley? Sure he's no Melo at this point, but he's only 22 years old, and he's been improving steadily from year to year.

I don't know ... it just seems that it would make more sense to get 80% to 90% of Melo's production at bargain rates and save your assets and money to target Chris Paul or Dwight Howard.

Sometimes I wonder "what if" we acquired Beasley last summer. But at this point, what makes you think Kahn would be willing to trade him to New York?

[K_ick_God]

“If I sit here and tell you I’m willing to lose $15 or $20 million, then I’d be lying to you,” Anthony said. “But at the same time, this has never been about the money. In my career so far, I think I’ve made enough money. Now I can focus on just trying to win a championship. That’s the only thing that’s on my plate and on my mind right now.”

Is this not the very definition of double talk?

just means if he had a choice, he would take both.

And maybe he realizes, as he should, that there is NO CHANCE he will lose $15 million - $20 million or anything close.

At this point, he's reiterated a few times that it's about winning and not money. Since he's following through on that so far, maybe we should start believing him.

But the Nets' little presentation in the hallway to Melo tells us two things probably:

1. They still hope to convince him. They are not done trying to get him as they claim.

2. The real reason they pulled out is that they got a strong feeling, if not direct word, that Melo was not interested.

[BBALLER4FR]

Serious question from a Heat fan about this whole Melo drama ... wouldn't it be a ton cheaper in terms of players, picks & money to simply trade for Michael Beasley? Sure he's no Melo at this point, but he's only 22 years old, and he's been improving steadily from year to year.

I don't know ... it just seems that it would make more sense to get 80% to 90% of Melo's production at bargain rates and save your assets and money to target Chris Paul or Dwight Howard.

Are you serious? You suggest NY is better off taking

Michael Beasly - Drafted #2 overall, was traded from a basement Heat team 2 years later for chicken $hit, and is currently treading water on a horrific Timberwolves team

over

Carmelo Anthony - Drafted #3 overall, 4x All-Star who has led his team to the playoffs every season since joining the league.

Really? 80 to 90%? For real? Just because Beasley is doing that on teams with no Playoff hope (and yes that was Miami the year they tanked then treaded water to shed salary) doesn't mean he'd produce at nearly the same level as "consistent playoffs" Melo. What's really odd is you suggest we do this juuuuuust so we guarantee ourselves the opportunity of repeating this year long, star phukking charade in a few years. Basically forego Amare's run for Dwight.

[J9Starks3]

Ok here it is:

Stat, Felton, Mozz, Gallo, Anthony Randolph, Tony D., Fields, Rautins, Williams, 490,180 (cap hold), 490,180 (cap hold), Melo(salary/minimum cap hold not included to simplify the math)

40,811,051 Total cap hit.

Cap: 58,044,000

Available to sign Melo: 17,232,949

If it were me, I'd still keep Turiaf and get rid of AR ... as well as keeping Walker and getting rid of Rautins.

AR for a future 1st. Rautins + 1 million for a 2nd rounder.

Turiaf, Stat, Gallo, Fields, Felton, Douglas, Williams, Mozgov, Walker, 490,180, 490,180, 490,180.

Total Cap: 41,646,019
Available to sign Melo: 16,397,981

C : Turiaf - Mozgov
PF: Amare - Williams
SF: Melo - Galo
SG: Fields - Walker
PG: Felton - Douglas

...much deeper that way. At that point, if Melo is really willing to give up the 1.5 million to sign outright with us, the Nuggets may take Walker and a 1st rounder in a S&T allowing Melo to get the more money/years as well.