Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

Kingsforlife · Post #501 » by **Kingsforlife** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 4:05 am

It came from alot of UNC fans they kept saying he told the media he wants to stay.

this is so stupid

sunny · Post #502 » by **sunny** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 4:05 am

if barnes plays anything better than terrible, he will declare.

he had an awful first half but now that his team is starting to gel together, he is doing much better.
if he keeps it up, he will declare and IMO be a top 4 pick

tcee · Post #503 » by **tcee** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 4:06 am

fredericklove wrote:Not only HB's confidence is up, also the teams he faced in last couple games were not elite defensive team, I don't see any defenders closing out on HB or guarding him tight. Alot of great defensive teams were all over him and constantly double-teaming him in the early first half of the season. So I hope he's really adjusting his game now against the next few match-ups.

this is what i mean. i'll wait til i see how he plays against duke (who will likely gameplan to stop him) and reserve my judgment until then. right now i still have irving on the top of my board.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #504 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 4:07 am

Salted Meat wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:He's one of those guys though, that even if his stock does rise, could always go back to school. One poster mentioned this before, but he might want a promise in the top 3 for him to declare.

Man, I sincerely hope this isn't true. He'd be risking a ton of money putting his hat in a much deeper 2012 draft, not to mention possible injury and having his stock plummet.

Hopefully a top 7 promise (starting salary @ $1.97 million) is enough to keep him in.

Hopefully.

He'd certainly give us more options.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #505 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 4:13 am

It sucks that Kyrie Irving won't be playing next week vs. UNC.

Barnes and Kyrie were really looking forward to playing against each other, with Duke facing UNC and everything.

The two are good friends.

tcee · Post #506 » by **tcee** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 4:14 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:It sucks that Kyrie Irving won't be playing next week vs. UNC.

Barnes and Kyrie were really looking forward to playing against each other, with Duke facing UNC and everything.

The two are good friends.

if only we could have them both...

TheRealDeal · Post #507 » by **TheRealDeal** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 4:29 am

I'm a Raps fan who has been attending University in the home town of Harrison Barnes for the past few years. I've seen him play in person and followed his recruiting process very closely.

When Barnes committed to UNC he mentioned to several media outlets that he planned to stay in school up to 3 years to get his degree. At the time he was the projected #1 pick and I found it hard to believe but now that his stock slipping I find it more likely.

If you didn't see how Barnes announced that he'd be attending UNC check out this vid. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9n6-rnGK7w[/youtube]Kinda dumb but if you listen to him speak you'll get a better understanding of the kind of kid that he is. Not one who would be one-and-done just for the $$.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #508 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 4:36 am

Coach K on Kyrie Irving: "Sometime late this week the cast will come off. That triggers rehab program that takes a long time. Not a surprise. The plan all along. Getting better. Main concern is career. Not looking for him to get back. Looking to get well. Next week we'll do another catscan, MRI, make sure everything that needs to happen has. What therapy he needs. Hasn't been moving toe, ankle for 7 weeks. Lots that goes into that."

sunny · Post #509 » by **sunny** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 4:42 am

do you go to iowa state?

he definitely has a good head on his shoulders. I believe he said he was in engineering and wanted his degree in that? with that said, tons of players say similar things and its not all that meaningful. its a hard decision to make when the moneys on the table.

you're in a unique, but weird perspective. You have followed him closely, so you have a strong opinion. Despite that, you may not be as familiar with many of the other top prospects in recent years who have had similar situations.

tcee · Post #510 » by **tcee** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 4:58 am

sunny wrote:do you go to iowa state?

he definitely has a good head on his shoulders. I believe he said he was in engineering and wanted his degree in that? with that said, tons of players say similar things and its not all that meaningful. its a hard decision to make when the moneys on the table.

you're in a unique, but weird perspective. You have followed him closely, so you have a strong opinion. Despite that, you may not be as familiar with many of the other top prospects in recent years who have had similar situations.

yknow what he COULD do? pursue his degree while playing in the nba, and then lead us to the second round of the playoffs, and graduate the day of the seventh game in the series. and then he could make the last second shot, exiting the building with ball and his degree in his hands. do what that OTHER former tar heel couldn't do..

TheRealDeal · Post #511 » by **TheRealDeal** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 5:16 am

sunny wrote:do you go to iowa state?

he definitely has a good head on his shoulders. I believe he said he was in engineering and wanted his degree in that? with that said, tons of players say similar things and its not all that meaningful. its a hard decision to make when the moneys on the table.

you're in a unique, but weird perspective. You have followed him closely, so you have a strong opinion. Despite that, you may not be as familiar with many of the other top prospects in recent years who have had similar situations.

I do go to Iowa State. I've followed the draft closely for years so it's a bit of a fluke that a top prospect has been down the block from me this whole time. Barnes is a unique individual who seems like he means the things he says. I understand the one & done phenomenon very well but Barnes could be different. Guys like D-Rose, Wall, Beasley, Tyreke etc. didn't seem like they were very focused on school. The Durants/Oden type players were too good for NCAA ball and guaranteed top 2 picks.

Barnes is an intelligent, humble mid-western kid who wants to win a title at UNC. His parents are teachers at Iowa State so he doesn't desperately need the money. His game could still use work and the team would likely be his next season. I'm not just imagining this because he was talking about staying in school when the mocks had him going #1. He could play himself into a top-3 pick which I'm sure would tempt him to enter the draft. I'm still not sure that he would.

sunny · Post #512 » by **sunny** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 5:22 am

ya, he is very different than the names you listed. The calipari guys for the most part suck (wall, rose etc), and aren't good for the sport of college bball.
Barnes is better than that.

it all depends on how high he is being mocked at to be honest.
Im trying to think of players who have stayed another year when they were consensus top 3.

Reef · Post #513 » by **Reef** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 5:32 am

Sounds like Irving will take a looong time to rehab his leg. If Irving and Barnes don't declare, we are screwed. I guess P.Jones would be the #1 pick in what would probably be the weakest draft ever. Just our luck.

TheRealDeal · Post #514 » by **TheRealDeal** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 5:39 am

sunny wrote:ya, he is very different than the names you listed. The calipari guys for the most part suck (wall, rose etc), and aren't good for the sport of college bball.
Barnes is better than that.

it all depends on how high he is being mocked at to be honest.
Im trying to think of players who have stayed another year when they were consensus top 3.

I can't remember where Blake Griffin was projected after his Freshman season. I don't think it was high in the lotto but he showed signs of potential with 14 and 9 in his first year. He put up 23 and 14 in year two which catapulted him into the top pick and it seems to have worked out for him.

I can't think of many guys who were projected to go top-3 and pulled out. However, the past three projected top picks in the NFL draft returned to school for another season. Sam Bradford, Jake Locker and Andrew Luck all gave up the guaranteed money of being taken #1 overall to work on their game and get a degree. Barnes reminds me of those QB's quite a bit.

sunny · Post #515 » by **sunny** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 5:43 am

nfl is completely different.
guys like leinart are going to have a way better time in college for that last year and already have money.

Prestige · Post #516 » by **Prestige** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 5:54 am

sunny wrote:ya, he is very different than the names you listed. The calipari guys for the most part suck (wall, rose etc), and aren't good for the sport of college bball.
Barnes is better than that.

it all depends on how high he is being mocked at to be honest.
Im trying to think of players who have stayed another year when they were consensus top 3.

The NCAA is not for everybody. Not all players want or need to go to college. But thanks to the idiotic age rule, many of these prospects who want to make the jump straight to the NBA and earn gainful employment are forced to enter a farce and become a 'student-athlete' for a year. If they are going to do that, they might as well showcase themselves in the best possible system for them. Like it or not, Calipari has proven himself to be capable of making these elite players look very good and win at the same time. That is all the player and their families want.

Say what you want about what's 'good for the sport of college bball', but I guarantee you that if the players that stay 2, 3, and 4 years had the talent of these super freshman, they would knock over their coach running to the draft. The ones that stay don't have the talent to immediately (or ever) declare and thus have no choice but to finish a degree as an insurance policy. At the same time the NCAA is earning billions in TV and merchandising revenue from these players and doesn't adequately compensate them. And no, I don't believe free tuition is enough compensation for most of the players.

The idea of amateur athletics is a fairy tale and everybody is looking out for themselves and their bottom line.

sunny · Post #517 » by **sunny** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 6:04 am

PRESTIGE wrote:
sunny wrote:ya, he is very different than the names you listed. The calipari guys for the most part suck (wall, rose etc), and aren't good for the sport of college bball.
Barnes is better than that.

it all depends on how high he is being mocked at to be honest.
Im trying to think of players who have stayed another year when they were consensus top 3.

The NCAA is not for everybody. Not all players want or need to go to college. But thanks to the idiotic age rule, many of these prospects who want to make the jump straight to the NBA and earn gainful employment are forced to enter a farce and become a 'student-athlete' for a year. If they are going to do that, they might as well showcase themselves in the best possible system for them. Like it or not, Calipari has proven himself to be capable of making these elite players look very good and win at the same time. That is all the player and their families want.

Say what you want about what's 'good for the sport of college bball', but I guarantee you that if the players that stay 2, 3, and 4 years had the talent of these super freshman, they would knock over their coach running to the draft. The ones that stay don't have the talent to immediately (or ever) declare and thus have no choice but to finish a degree as an insurance policy. At the same time the NCAA is earning billions in TV and merchandising revenue from these players and doesn't adequately compensate them. And no, I don't believe free tuition is enough compensation for most of the players.

The idea of amateur athletics is a fairy tale and everybody is looking out for themselves and their bottom line.

college sports only exists in the usa (there are college sports elsewhere but not even in the same stratosphere as the ncaa). It doesnt really make sense, but for whatever reason, I love it.

You're completely right though. These guys wouldnt be going to college otherwise and probably shoudlnt. I don't really blame them for wanted to play with Cal in order to increase draft stock, but as a fan of ncaab, I have different thoughts.
I have a lot of respect for guys who actually care about their college education and experience. Even though most of these guys arent going to be playing for Arizona anyways, I appreciate when players go to "good" schools instead of playing for the nba.
I hate duke but I still respect their program and players.

fredericklove · Post #518 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 6:04 am

TheRealDeal wrote:
I can't remember where Blake Griffin was projected after his Freshman season. I don't think it was high in the lotto but he showed signs of potential with 14 and 9 in his first year. He put up 23 and 14 in year two which catapulted him into the top pick and it seems to have worked out for him.

He was projected top 5 at the end of the freshman season going into the draft but damn that year has stack load of talent like Rose/Mayo/Love/Beasley, it's understandable that he stays another year.

sunny · Post #519 » by **sunny** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 6:06 am

fredericklove wrote:
TheRealDeal wrote:
I can't remember where Blake Griffin was projected after his Freshman season. I don't think it was high in the lotto but he showed signs of potential with 14 and 9 in his first year. He put up 23 and 14 in year two which catapulted him into the top pick and it seems to have worked out for him.

He was projected top 5 at the end of the freshman season going into the draft but damn that year has stack load of talent like Rose/Mayo/Love/Beasley, it's understandable that he stays another year.

MAYO= scandal
ROSE = scandal
BEASLEY = scandal

love = ucla

fredericklove · Post #520 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 6:07 am

TheRealDeal wrote:I'm a Raps fan who has been attending University in the home town of Harrison Barnes for the past few years. I've seen him play in person and followed his recruiting process very closely.

When Barnes committed to UNC he mentioned to several media outlets that he planned to stay in school up to 3 years to get his degree. At the time he was the projected #1 pick and I found it hard to believe but now that his stock slipping I find it more likely.

If you didn't see how Barnes announced that he'd be attending UNC check out this vid. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9n6-rnGK7w[/youtube]Kinda dumb but if you listen to him speak you'll get a better understanding of the kind of kid that he is. Not one who would be one-and-done just for the $$.

Saw it long time ago. Yeah he values education for sure. Oh yeah I also wonder if those HB's youtube mixtape still has comments written on him being a bust or overrated. W/ 2 solid games performance I bet ppl start to praise him on youtube :lol: