[Camelo Thread Part 17] - Denver makes trade offer p58

klemen4 · Post #1301 » by **klemen4** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:42 pm

Some fans are delusional if they think a trio of Billups/Melo/Amare + 2 rookie starters with no bench and no defense coach Dantoni has a chance in playoffs.
No way could this team beat anyone of the top 3 Eastern teams BOS, MIA, CHI in a playoff series.

Fella504 · Post #1302 » by **Fella504** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:43 pm

disruptv3 wrote:I feel if Chandler isnt traded to Denver for melo, the Knicks will still trade him to another team

any guesses to who and 4 what?

If Chandler not traded, trade him to the Clippers for Kaman or Jordan mostly Kaman. The Clip's is looking for a Nice scorning SF. anyone agree?

adog50 · Post #1303 » by **adog50** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:43 pm

Also a key stat, Carmelo leads the League in 3rd quarter scoring, When Amare leads the League in 4th quarter scoring. Those two guys on the Same team? Something great

Hardaway 10 · Post #1304 » by **Hardaway 10** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:43 pm

seren wrote: So we are really giving up a player who may be great one day. But that is a big if. His reluctance is killing me. Every night I shake my head with disbelief how he does not take over. How do you go from a dominating half to being a nobody? How do you end up taking only 5 shots against NJ? We have blamed everyone from the coach to the point guard for that, but maybe just maybe we need to start believing that Gallo is happy in his skin. Maybe he is not humble but he is just content.

I blame Amare, Chandler, and Felton. D'Antoni's use of Gallo in the corner or as a spot up shooter still allows for guys to ignore him. Gallo should have the ball in his hands as a facilitator more often than he does.

Amare is the go to guy on this team but sometimes he develops tunnel vision and forces shots despite better options, especially in the 2nd half of games. This would be the only knock I have on Amare's play.

Chandler is a terrible passer and his court vision is limited. Once he puts his head down and barrels to the rim, he'll never see open shooters. There are too many games where he becomes Free Candy-ish and makes me scream at the TV.

Felton is the main culprit for not feeding Gallo more when he is "on". I see way too many pull up shots by Felton and heat check bombs.

ComboGuardCity · Post #1305 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:43 pm

I'm starting to think the front office leaked this out incorrectly intentionally. Why is the third starter not named? I think its because there is no third starter involved. It's just to make casual fans think they aren't selling the farm

knicks9784 · Post #1306 » by **knicks9784** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:44 pm

Fella504 wrote:
disruptv3 wrote:I feel if Chandler isnt traded to Denver for melo, the Knicks will still trade him to another team

any guesses to who and 4 what?
If Chandler not traded, trade him to the Clippers for Kaman or Jordan mostly Kaman. The Clip's is looking for a Nice scorning SF. anyone agree?

they have that kid aminu who was a top 10 pick

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #1307 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:44 pm

god shammgod wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:
seren wrote:Here is the interesting aspect nobody mentions:

If we do the said deal (assuming Chandler is the third starter) and waive Billups next summer, we will have

Amare at 18.2
Melo at 18.6
Mozgov at 2.5
TD at 1.1
Walker at 0.9
Fields at 0.8
Billups at 3.7
Turiaf at 4.3

That is 47.6 million for 7 players (with Billups gone). We can literally go after another 10+ million player this summer.

Wow.
I never realized that.
Add the draft pick's cap hold though.
Still lotta wiggle room right there.

who is there to go after though ? we'll need a pg. if we take billups, we're not going to cut him.

Go after Luke as part of the deal?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=6ycotyf

MaseInYourFace · Post #1308 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:44 pm

klemen4 wrote:Some fans are delusional if they think a trio of Billups/Melo/Amare + 2 rookie starters with no bench and no defense coach Dantoni has a chance in playoffs.
No way could this team beat anyone of the top 3 Eastern teams BOS, MIA, CHI in a playoff series.

It would do better than our previous team. What's your point? Plus they would still be able to build upon that team.

Demyze · Post #1309 » by **Demyze** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:44 pm

How is this way to much? Your basically swapping Felton for Billups who i prefer more hes not nicknamed "Mr. Big Shot" for no reason. Gallo For Melo and your giving up 1 more starter? Plus who cares about Eddie Curry and Randolph there in the dog house as it is. So your basically just parting with 1 more starter. We are not going to get Melo for free people hes labeled a Franchise player for a reason.

Future Soldier · Post #1310 » by **Future Soldier** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:44 pm

klemen4 wrote:Some fans are delusional if they think a trio of Billups/Melo/Amare + 2 rookie starters with no bench and no defense coach Dantoni has a chance in playoffs.
No way could this team beat anyone of the top 3 Eastern teams BOS, MIA, CHI in a playoff series.

we can beat Chicago....and we have a punchers chance against Miami. But I agree, for the most part, we're still not a sure thing against either of those teams. But it's a start. That's the point. Let's start now and build around them.

boomann21 · Post #1311 » by **boomann21** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:45 pm

klemen4 wrote:Some fans are delusional if they think a trio of Billups/Melo/Amare + 2 rookie starters with no bench and no defense coach Dantoni has a chance in playoffs.
No way could this team beat anyone of the top 3 Eastern teams BOS, MIA, CHI in a playoff series.

We are talking Landry Fields, one of the most potent rookies to play this season. And at least we are talking playoffs. This current team has a good chance to slip right out of playoff contention if we continue to lose the way we have been losing and if a team behind us in the standings gets Hot after the all star break.

nytonm · Post #1312 » by **nytonm** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:45 pm

Why is the conversation constantly being framed as melo vs gallo when in reality its melo vs gallo and probably melo too in a couple of months? Nobody is saying that gallo is anywhere near melo or that gutting the team for melo wouldn’t make us better than we are right now. That's not the argument...

MaseInYourFace · Post #1313 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:45 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
klemen4 wrote:Some fans are delusional if they think a trio of Billups/Melo/Amare + 2 rookie starters with no bench and no defense coach Dantoni has a chance in playoffs.
No way could this team beat anyone of the top 3 Eastern teams BOS, MIA, CHI in a playoff series.

It would do better than our previous team. What's your point? Plus they would still be able to build upon that team.

Plus meant to add, Felton had very little playoff experience and Gallo and Chandler have none.

thehandler3 · Post #1314 » by **thehandler3** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:45 pm

Fella504 wrote:
disruptv3 wrote:I feel if Chandler isnt traded to Denver for melo, the Knicks will still trade him to another team

any guesses to who and 4 what?
If Chandler not traded, trade him to the Clippers for Kaman or Jordan mostly Kaman. The Clip's is looking for a Nice scorning SF. anyone agree?

Kaman's always hurt and owed like a zillion dollars over the next millenium. No way, No how on Kaman. I'd think about Jordan but they'd have to give me more perhaps a pick to get me to bite on that.

BowlRips · Post #1315 » by **BowlRips** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:47 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
klemen4 wrote:Some fans are delusional if they think a trio of Billups/Melo/Amare + 2 rookie starters with no bench and no defense coach Dantoni has a chance in playoffs.
No way could this team beat anyone of the top 3 Eastern teams BOS, MIA, CHI in a playoff series.

It would do better than our previous team. What's your point? Plus they would still be able to build upon that team.

Plus meant to add, Felton had very little playoff experience and Gallo and Chandler have none.

Firstly, I think that team can be a contender with the proper moves. Getting a center and a backup PG in could do wonders.
And honestly, do you think saving Gallo is gonna be the big difference maker in terms of whether well be a contender or not?

falcindor · Post #1316 » by **falcindor** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:49 pm

The only reason this rumor got out was to add pressure to the knicks. Billups is a family man now he doesn't want the NY scene. Carmelo didn't want Billiups dragged into a trade. I think they are trying all the stops to make Melo say he will stay 1 more year and not opt out.

thehandler3 · Post #1317 » by **thehandler3** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:49 pm

klemen4 wrote:Some fans are delusional if they think a trio of Billups/Melo/Amare + 2 rookie starters with no bench and no defense coach Dantoni has a chance in playoffs.
No way could this team beat anyone of the top 3 Eastern teams BOS, MIA, CHI in a playoff series.

I disagree, I'd expect us to beat Chicago honestly (it'd be tough perhaps even 7) and I think we'd have a shot against Miami. LeBron has folded in the playoffs repeatedly and Bosh has limited experience in the Playoffs and failed miserably in his two chances. Fields may be a rookie but he's better than anyone on Miami not named LeBron, Wade and Bosh. I also like Billups postseason pedigree so I think we'd have a legit shot at beating them (not having homecourt could be the deciding factor). I don't think we'd beat Boston.

Post #1318 » by **GONYK** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:50 pm

All you guys can say with a straight face that Billups is better than Ray?

Would you guys be this nonchalant if you weren't clinging to the improbable notion that we will get CP3?

knicks9784 · Post #1319 » by **knicks9784** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:51 pm

incarcerated bob on wfan lol

Fella504 · Post #1320 » by **Fella504** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:51 pm

thehandler3 wrote:
Fella504 wrote:
disruptv3 wrote:I feel if Chandler isnt traded to Denver for melo, the Knicks will still trade him to another team

any guesses to who and 4 what?
If Chandler not traded, trade him to the Clippers for Kaman or Jordan mostly Kaman. The Clip's is looking for a Nice scorning SF. anyone agree?

Kaman's always hurt and owed like a zillion dollars over the next millenium. No way, No how on Kaman. I'd think about Jordan but they'd have to give me more perhaps a pick to get me to bite on that.

you're right, what if the clips give us a first round pick to take Kaman... lets say 2012 or 2013?