[Camelo Thread Part 18] - Al Iannazone (Nets Are Back Pg 77)

[johnnywishbone]

Seems to me a little perspective is in order here. We're talking about Raymond Felton. A good player who MIGHT make an All-star team once or twice in his career. He's a good player that is not going to change the direction of a franchise. Same thing goes with guys like Gallinari, Chandler. Players like these guys come out every year.

Billups has one year left on his contract, opens up some capspace.

It's time to think big for you guys now. Championships not 6th seeds. It's about changing the culture of a franchise.

Are you really going to let a guy like Felton make or break this deal?

Furthering on the thing about perspective. Let's be honest here guys.

You are in play for Melo because he wants to go there, not because you're assets outside of Amare are enticing. They are average for a rebuilding team. You're getting a steal either way.

As long as you can retain Melo, Amare, and a couple of other pieces and reasonable cap space to build around, you do it.

You guys are equally nuts to not give up Bynum for Melo. Guy is a ticking time bomb. Greg Oden lite.

So, those who live in glass houses....

[MaseInYourFace]

Felton was shooting the ball so well early in the season and you know playing with Dantoni that it was encouraged especially with Gallo struggling early. I think he's hitting his stride as a player and if he just gets a little better with shot selection that he's there..

[Pharmcat]

If we sign Carmelo to the extension BYE BYE to Chris Paul and Deron Williams. It's better to keep most of our guys cause we won't have space to sign other guys no matter how much you try to spin it.

?

its already been explained, there is cap space in 2012, and even this coming (about 10 mill) summer depending on how the deal goes

there are options to improve after getting melo

there is no capspace.

miami signed the big 3 to start at 14.5mil

we wont have enough space to fill out the roster with minimums.[/quote]

that is a incorrect statement....there is obviously room in 2012, there can also be room in 2011 if chandler is renounced, billups is waived, and a small move or 2 (you could around 10 mill), as explained earlier

[knicks9784]

Seems to me a little perspective is in order here. We're talking about Raymond Felton. A good player who MIGHT make an All-star team once or twice in his career. He's a good player that is not going to change the direction of a franchise. Same thing goes with guys like Gallinari, Chandler. Players like these guys come out every year.

Billups has one year left on his contract, opens up some capspace.

It's time to think big for you guys now. Championships not 6th seeds. It's about changing the culture of a franchise.

Are you really going to let a guy like Felton make or break this deal?

Furthering on the thing about perspective. Let's be honest here guys.

You are in play for Melo because he wants to go there, not because you're assets outside of Amare are enticing. They are average for a rebuilding team. You're getting a steal either way.

As long as you can retain Melo, Amare, and a couple of other pieces and reasonable cap space to build around, you do it.

Getting a steal?

Are you Kobe?

Better yet are you Jerry West?

Jerry do you think giving up 3 starters (all young , all productive)and MULTIPLE draft picks for a guy who is an amazing scorer (but has several flaws) and aging vet is a steal.

Heck Kobe, if you want to talk steals lets talk about the highway robbery for Gasol you guys pulled off. How many starters did the Lakers give up for a top3 big in the entire league.

Good GM'S are paid to get the best deal possible. We got a guy who supposedly wants to come here, we have cap space, we have leverage. why the hell are we giving up 3 important starters and multiple draft picks? How in the hell will we have flexibility to get anywhere near the talent your LA Lakers have?

http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/080201gasol_trade.html

exactly, 2 1sts and marc gasol is all LA gave up

[Pedro Pistolas]

Dunno about this arm strength thing. I think Moz has lost the ball mostly because of not being aware of where he is on the court, and that has already gotten a lot better. He's finishing his dunks and catching better.

Mozgov went from having trouble rebounding to racking up boards lately. That's an excellent sign about his ability to get better. He also went from having no offensive game to speak of in Europe, to showing a nice jumper. His work ethic and heart are all there. And so far he's shown a very fast learning curve to pick up things and get better very quickly. That's a great sign for his growth. Staying healthy and building confidence is maybe all he needs to become a very, very good starting center.

You're right that he's shown improvement but he's still too weak in the paint. I'd rather groom him to be our backup C.

[MaseInYourFace]

Seems to me a little perspective is in order here. We're talking about Raymond Felton. A good player who MIGHT make an All-star team once or twice in his career. He's a good player that is not going to change the direction of a franchise. Same thing goes with guys like Gallinari, Chandler. Players like these guys come out every year.

Billups has one year left on his contract, opens up some capspace.

It's time to think big for you guys now. Championships not 6th seeds. It's about changing the culture of a franchise.

Are you really going to let a guy like Felton make or break this deal?

Furthering on the thing about perspective. Let's be honest here guys.

You are in play for Melo because he wants to go there, not because you're assets outside of Amare are enticing. They are average for a rebuilding team. You're getting a steal either way.

As long as you can retain Melo, Amare, and a couple of other pieces and reasonable cap space to build around, you do it.

You guys are equally nuts to not give up Bynum for Melo. Guy is a ticking time bomb. Greg Oden lite.

So, those who live in glass houses....

I don't really blame them though. To them having that rotation of bigs is more important come playoff time...

[MaseInYourFace]

Moz will get stronger in the paint. His footwork & positioning has already improved by leaps and bounds from the beginning of the year. Weak in the paint to me is guys like Hill and AR and honestly they look more hopeless than Moz...

[cgf]

Seems to me a little perspective is in order here. We're talking about Raymond Felton. A good player who MIGHT make an All-star team once or twice in his career. He's a good player that is not going to change the direction of a franchise. Same thing goes with guys like Gallinari, Chandler. Players like these guys come out every year.

Billups has one year left on his contract, opens up some capspace.

It's time to think big for you guys now. Championships not 6th seeds. It's about changing the culture of a franchise.

Are you really going to let a guy like Felton make or break this deal?

Furthering on the thing about perspective. Let's be honest here guys.

You are in play for Melo because he wants to go there, not because you're assets outside of Amare are enticing. They are average for a rebuilding team. You're getting a steal either way.

As long as you can retain Melo, Amare, and a couple of other pieces and reasonable cap space to build around, you do it.

Here's the thing with all of these guys being "replaceable" you have to have some assets to replace them with. If we're stuck with Amar'e, Melo, Billups' corpse and some ring chasers who couldn't get guaranteed PT from the Celtics, Magic, Heat, Lakers, Spurs or Mavs, how are we supposed to replace those guys and become championship caliber? You say reasonable cap space like it's reasonable to expect much capspace when over 2/3rds of our cap space is going to melo and amar'e. Who knows whether under the new CBA we'd be able to sign a guy like Deron or Paul with melo and amar'e already on board unless they took a major discount. That's why it's important that we add melo, but we keep a hold of Gallo, Fields and Mozzie. With those 3 you have a guy who can become an elite 3rd option with some more consistency, remembering how to hit uncontested 3's and figuring out how best to utilize his midrange game and playmaking, a great glue guy and a big who fits Amar'e to a T if he keeps developing. Then we'd have talent to put a good team around Amar'e n Melo as well as the assets to actually make a move for a 3rd star.

[seren]

Seems to me a little perspective is in order here. We're talking about Raymond Felton. A good player who MIGHT make an All-star team once or twice in his career. He's a good player that is not going to change the direction of a franchise. Same thing goes with guys like Gallinari, Chandler. Players like these guys come out every year.

Billups has one year left on his contract, opens up some capspace.

It's time to think big for you guys now. Championships not 6th seeds. It's about changing the culture of a franchise.

Are you really going to let a guy like Felton make or break this deal?

Furthering on the thing about perspective. Let's be honest here guys.

You are in play for Melo because he wants to go there, not because you're assets outside of Amare are enticing. They are average for a rebuilding team. You're getting a steal either way.

As long as you can retain Melo, Amare, and a couple of other pieces and reasonable cap space to build around, you do it.

You guys are equally nuts to not give up Bynum for Melo. Guy is a ticking time bomb. Greg Oden lite.

So, those who live in glass houses....

I think they won't do the deal because they are in the business of winning championships.

[johnnywishbone]

Seems to me a little perspective is in order here. We're talking about Raymond Felton. A good player who MIGHT make an All-star team once or twice in his career. He's a good player that is not going to change the direction of a franchise. Same thing goes with guys like Gallinari, Chandler. Players like these guys come out every year.

Billups has one year left on his contract, opens up some capspace.

It's time to think big for you guys now. Championships not 6th seeds. It's about changing the culture of a franchise.

Are you really going to let a guy like Felton make or break this deal?

Furthering on the thing about perspective. Let's be honest here guys.

You are in play for Melo because he wants to go there, not because you're assets outside of Amare are enticing. They are average for a rebuilding team. You're getting a steal either way.

As long as you can retain Melo, Amare, and a couple of other pieces and reasonable cap space to build around, you do it.

You guys are equally nuts to not give up Bynum for Melo. Guy is a ticking time bomb. Greg Oden lite.

So, those who live in glass houses....

I don't really blame them though. To them having that rotation of bigs is more important come playoff time...

I don't know how anybody could possibly guard a triangle composed of Kobe, Melo & Gasol. That trumps what Miami has and that would kill Paul Pierce to have to guard Melo for a series.

But I hear what you are saying.

[Ray Williams]

pg billups
sg fields
sf melo
pf stat
c mozzy

thats a title condender in the east.

this nails the 4th seed in the East with authority. Title contender? Naaah.

[seren]

Felton was shooting the ball so well early in the season and you know playing with Dantoni that it was encouraged especially with Gallo struggling early. I think he's hitting his stride as a player and if he just gets a little better with shot selection that he's there..

That was just for one month. And even that month he wasn't particularly good in three point shooting. When his shot came back to normal, he should have adjusted. Instead, he continues to ignore everyone but Amare.

[johnnywishbone]

Seems to me a little perspective is in order here. We're talking about Raymond Felton. A good player who MIGHT make an All-star team once or twice in his career. He's a good player that is not going to change the direction of a franchise. Same thing goes with guys like Gallinari, Chandler. Players like these guys come out every year.

Billups has one year left on his contract, opens up some capspace.

It's time to think big for you guys now. Championships not 6th seeds. It's about changing the culture of a franchise.

Are you really going to let a guy like Felton make or break this deal?

Furthering on the thing about perspective. Let's be honest here guys.

You are in play for Melo because he wants to go there, not because you're assets outside of Amare are enticing. They are average for a rebuilding team. You're getting a steal either way.

As long as you can retain Melo, Amare, and a couple of other pieces and reasonable cap space to build around, you do it.

You guys are equally nuts to not give up Bynum for Melo. Guy is a ticking time bomb. Greg Oden lite.

So, those who live in glass houses....

I think they won't do the deal because they are in the business of winning championships.

This is the logic that says you draft Greg Oden over Kevin Durant.

[seren]

I don't really blame them though. To them having that rotation of bigs is more important come playoff time...

I don't know how anybody could possibly guard a triangle composed of Kobe, Melo & Gasol. That trumps what Miami has and that would kill Paul Pierce to have to guard Melo for a series.

But I hear what you are saying.

Boston would have a field day against that squad. But they won't go that far. San Antonio would b*tch slap them.

[seren]

This is the logic that says you draft Greg Oden over Kevin Durant.

Sure. And hindsight is great.

[Knicker23]

pg billups
sg fields
sf melo
pf stat
c mozzy

thats a title condender in the east.

this nails the 4th seed in the East with authority. Title contender? Naaah.

I think we'd be able to give any team in the league a run with that lineup.... and not in the 'we'd need to get real lucky, opposing team have an off-night' type way like it is now... I think we'd legit go into most games expecting to win... now fields isn't a huge point producer, and Moz still needs to settle in, so it would be a work in progress... but come playoffs, I think we'd be looking good..

Miami and Boston will have the edge no matter who we give up / get, but Boston is only getting worse in terms of future, and Miami has James and Wade so you can't rightly compare them on paper to most teams in the league .. but aside from those two, I see no reason why we wouldn't be able to beat Magic/Bulls/Hawks

And you never know what's going to happen in the playoffs.. for all we know some random team can knock boston out or miami... then i'd say we're sitting pretty nicely with a Melo and Amare coming at you.....what other teams beside the heat could say they have two starting all stars? And while James is obviously the best, one can argue our tandem would be better on the offensive side than theirs...... Melo is second to none in scoring, and we've seen what Amare can do...... then you put those two, together, in this offensive system - if nothing else we'd run a lot of teams out.... and not just in a gimmicky way.... throw Billups' experience, composure - we'd be good.

[johnnywishbone]

I don't really blame them though. To them having that rotation of bigs is more important come playoff time...

I don't know how anybody could possibly guard a triangle composed of Kobe, Melo & Gasol. That trumps what Miami has and that would kill Paul Pierce to have to guard Melo for a series.

But I hear what you are saying.

Boston would have a field day against that squad. But they won't go that far. San Antonio would b*tch slap them.

You mean the Boston team that loss to the Lakers that didn't have Bynum because he was hurt? But then again they'll have Shaq. He sure killed it in the playoffs last year

[LakerLegend]

Well, we are a two time defending champ, and changing chemistry and team makeup midseason isn't a sure bet for anything, not to mention Bynum and Gasol would be our greatest advantage over donut hole Miami.

That's just it isn't it though, perspective. You can't compare your situation to ours. Let's not act like you are breaking up a championship team with dynastic potential here

[MaseInYourFace]

In today's game I think it's so important to have depth at the Center/PF positions. You gotta have that ro of bigs. It's like when your making a team you have to factor that in. The way the league is now with the rules and stuff, your bigs get in foul trouble and it's really not about dominating inside so much as having the depth there so that you can keep someone in there defensively all the time. It's why Lakers didn't trade Bynum. When your able to always have a defensive presence inside it makes a huge huge difference.

[K_ick_God]

pg billups
sg fields
sf melo
pf stat
c mozzy

thats a title condender in the east.

this nails the 4th seed in the East with authority. Title contender? Naaah.

Depends on Mozgov and whether Douglas can grow into a playmaker. Playmaking is in the DNA mostly, so I say no to the playmaking part. But I think Mozgov's ceiling is a lot higher than some here think.