[Camelo Thread Part 19] - Nyets won't be used pg 52

[K_ick_God]

In my opinion the offer is so ridiculous, because it will make giving up Chandler AND GALLO seem like a good deal for us despite our leverage. Judging from the post here that tactic is working. Hope it's not working on Walsh.

Exactly what they are doing. Its a good stratetgy. If you want a deal, start on the high side and "compromise" down to waht you really want.

Could be, or could just be that they really have no interest in dealing him to the Knicks and their offer is a way of pretty much revealing that.

If the Nuggets are serious and Melo holds firm, then I think the deal could come down to whether Donnie agrees to put both Chandler and Gallo in the deal or just one. That, to me, is the reasonable "wrestling point" where each side dukes it out. Both Chandler and Gallo or just one? That is what it comes down to.

[seren]

The funny thing is even if we say yes to that ridiculous deal, next they will want to add Al Harrington to it.

[NewEra]

I'm just glad it won't be a whole season of this. After the 24th we can all finally focus on basketball. The Lebron fiasco had this board in a frenzy for 2 years.

[Jmonty580]

In my opinion the offer is so ridiculous, because it will make giving up Chandler AND GALLO seem like a good deal for us despite our leverage. Judging from the post here that tactic is working. Hope it's not working on Walsh.

Exactly what they are doing. Its a good stratetgy. If you want a deal, start on the high side and "compromise" down to waht you really want.

Could be, or could just be that they really have no interest in dealing him to the Knicks and their offer is a way of pretty much revealing that.

If the Nuggets are serious and Melo holds firm, then I think the deal could come down to whether Donnie agrees to put both Chandler and Gallo in the deal or just one. That, to me, is the reasonable "wrestling point" where each side dukes it out. Both Chandler and Gallo or just one? That is what it comes down to.

I agree about the Chandler and or Gallo part. But their offer, I dont think its because they just dont want to trade Melo, otherwise why even make an offer? Melo isnt stupid, i'd imagine he wouldnt even sign and trade to the Knicks for all of those peices because he knows the Knicks team would be gutted. I think he'd rather wait it out and sign in the offseason taking his chances with the new CBA. So Denver gets nothing out of asking for the farm except maybe getting NY to raise their offer a bit.

[mpharris36]

I can't listen to Colin Cowheard! The point isn't that we don't want melo the point is why do you give up everyting if you bidding against urself???

Right now there is no other team in the picture to get Melo. If that changes then you change your stance but why give up 5 players when no one is giving up 1 and he is not re-signing in denver!

[RHODEY]

In my opinion the offer is so ridiculous, because it will make giving up Chandler AND GALLO seem like a good deal for us despite our leverage. Judging from the post here that tactic is working. Hope it's not working on Walsh.

Exactly what they are doing. Its a good stratetgy. If you want a deal, start on the high side and "compromise" down to waht you really want.

Could be, or could just be that they really have no interest in dealing him to the Knicks and their offer is a way of pretty much revealing that.

If the Nuggets are serious and Melo holds firm, then I think the deal could come down to whether Donnie agrees to put both Chandler and Gallo in the deal or just one. That, to me, is the reasonable "wrestling point" where each side dukes it out. Both Chandler and Gallo or just one? That is what it comes down to.

Well the difference between giving both and giving one is HUGE for this organization going forward. In addition it would/could cement Walsh's reputation depending on what happens. But with our leverage I think giving up both players is a deal any GM could make. I would not be enthused...

[cgf]

Denver knows that they're not going to get a good package unless Dolan fires Donnie and lets Isiah give away the farm before the deadline. They clearly don't want to make a deal unless they're ripping us off and they're banking on Dolan buckling and saying "just **** do whatever it takes" instead of telling them to **** off.

[Clyde_Style]

This is a perfect moment for a music break. Ladies and Gentleman, may I present to you John Denver singing:

"Rocky Mountain High"

[Jmonty580]

Denver knows that they're not going to get a good package unless Dolan fires Donnie and lets Isiah give away the farm before the deadline. They clearly don't want to make a deal unless they're ripping us off and they're banking on Dolan buckling and saying "just **** do whatever it takes" instead of telling them to **** off.

If I'm donnier I say, you make the deal, im out i dont want any part of this, and I leave the Knicks organization.

[Clyde_Style]

Denver knows that they're not going to get a good package unless Dolan fires Donnie and lets Isiah give away the farm before the deadline. They clearly don't want to make a deal unless they're ripping us off and they're banking on Dolan buckling and saying "just **** do whatever it takes" instead of telling them to **** off.

Even Dolan is not THAT stupid. If he did a deal like that, why stop there? At that point, he might as well put himself in a bear trap and chew his own arms and legs off.

[K_ick_God]

I agree about the Chandler and or Gallo part. But their offer, I dont think its because they just dont want to trade Melo, otherwise why even make an offer? Melo isnt stupid, i'd imagine he wouldnt even sign and trade to the Knicks for all of those peices because he knows the Knicks team would be gutted. I think he'd rather wait it out and sign in the offseason taking his chances with the new CBA. So Denver gets nothing out of asking for the farm except maybe getting NY to raise their offer a bit.

It's a reasonable place to hash out the deal IF the Nuggets are real about doing something.

But I think they believe they can bully Melo into going to New Jersey. I really think that they believe that and based just on a few snippets from Melo, I believe it too.

My confidence in Melo's resolve to say "F you, I'll just go to free agency" is at an all-time low right now. I sense someone who is ready to get this over with and that is almost always an irreversible, irresistible urge. The desire to get a headache (especially a financial headache) over with is VERY strong. That will cause the Knicks to have a big uphill battle next week IMHO.

We'll see. Maybe Melo is fine with waiting it out. But I doubt it honestly. He would have to have nerves of steel.

Now everybody knows what I think but I'm not Melo's agent lol. He will NOT lose much if anything on the new CBA -- I'm guaranteeing that and staking my credibility on it 100% -- but the key thing is that Melo believes that there is something to lose, he feels the pressure, and he wants this thing over with. That's a powerful thing we're up against.

Not being negative but I don't want Knick fans to be disappointed. Melo clearly does not want to go to the Nyets but if he feels that there is $65M hanging in the balance, and I think he is sorta ignorant and does think that, then the Knicks will be very hard pressed to get him.

[knicks742]

I wonder if this was leaked to turn the PR situation back in favor of the Knicks. The PR situation was turning against the Knicks and now that this broke, I can't imagine any rational fan/analyst would crap on the Knicks for not accepting that deal.

[Knicksman780]

It's like Melo is on eBay. Every time we put in an offer it says "reserve not met". Then if we finally meet the reserve, the shipping and handling fees say "delivered with Al Harrington" in fine print.

[ray_ray1]

Chandler, Gallinari, Randolph, and Curry seems like the "middle" deal that's being referred to. And that would be a very good deal for Denver. Three young, promising players (two of which can help now), as well as cap relief.

I really don't think they'll pass that up in the end.

As for the Knicks, they'll keep their glue guy (Fields), and their height (Mozgoz). They'll also hold on to their existing point guard, which means less practice is needed for the Knicks.

This

I'm 100% for this trade and nothing else!!!!!

The Hahn interview was outstanding, puts a lot of perspective and should reel those of you on the ledge back off. Hahn sounded confident and sure of his sources, the fact that the parameters are set speaks volumes, and probably diffuses the latest news about Denver wanting 5 starters, it can't be that high but close.

I do think Denver gave them their high-ball offer and Donnie said no effing way, which is probably what shackled Bob was posting about last night

It's obvious Knicks are the only player, at this point, what other team can or even wants to get involved if they haven't been already, they know what they are dealing with, Melo wants nothing but the Knicks.

[atlnyk]

This is all politics, Denver is taking their last gasps of air. They CERTAINLY know now that Melo will not sign an extension with them. So in some ways, this is their worst nightmare come true. They have to stand tall now, but don't know how. By next tuesday, they will come see DADDY (walsh) and do what they have to do. I wouldn't even waist my time spinning on all the things that will be rumored between now and next tuesday. At about that time, I'll get serious because things will get serious.

[Knicker23]

Denver is probably trying to scare Melo in these last few days into thinking: 'Knicks won't accept reasonable offer, lets get this Nets deal done now and move on' - but if he has come this far, there's no way he buys that.

I think a Gallo Felton Curry pick could get the deal done... If they don't bite on that, Chandler Gallo Felton Curry pick would be the final offer I see.. Either that, or taking Felton out all together and giving them Gallo Chandler Curry and a pick.... I don't see it getting done without Gallo in it, Chandler alone isn't appealing enough...

I'm expecting that middle ground to be found... but as of right now, still looks like Denver is trying to push their high offer... only a few days left.

[Clyde_Style]

There is a massive dumbass factor going on in Denver HQ if any of this stuff is true. If they don't make a deal (and with demands like that they won't), they will have a massively pissedoff Melo in the locker room the rest of the season. That would be the dumbest thing in the world for Denver. Asking for the moon is flipping the bird to both the Knicks and Melo if true. I still don't believe these reporters and their dung though.

[TrueWarrior]

I still dont think we have to give up more than Chandler/Randolph-pick/Curry. They save a lot cash if we do the Minnesota deal, get a 1st round pick, and can try out Chandler to either keep or sign and trade in the offseason. I dont think we'll end up doing the Felton/Billups swap, so it comes down to including Gallo or Fields. Donnie is waiting as long as possible because he doesnt want to give up either guy. Fields is the better fit in the starting lineup but Gallo is the better player IMO and can still be a dangerous supersub, but more importantly which guy do we think would have more value in a CP3/Deron trade? That will be the guy we will most likely try to keep more. What is more attractive to Utah and New Orleans? A Felton/Gallo package or a Felton/Fields package? Hard to say right now.

[seren]

I still dont think we have to give up more than Chandler/Randolph-pick/Curry. They save a lot cash if we do the Minnesota deal, get a 1st round pick, and can try out Chandler to either keep or sign and trade in the offseason. I dont think we'll end up doing the Felton/Billups swap, so it comes down to including Gallo or Fields. Donnie is waiting as long as possible because he doesnt want to give up either guy. Fields is the better fit in the starting lineup but Gallo is the better player IMO and can still be a dangerous supersub, but more importantly which guy do we think would have more value in a CP3/Deron trade? That will be the guy we will most likely try to keep more. What is more attractive to Utah and New Orleans? A Felton/Gallo package or a Felton/Fields package? Hard to say right now.

The Minny part of the deal was too good to be true and I have my doubts it is on the table anymore.

[RHODEY]

Denver is probably trying to scare Melo in these last few days into thinking: 'Knicks won't accept reasonable offer, lets get this Nets deal done now and move on' - but if he has come this far, there's no way he buys that.

I think a Gallo Felton Curry pick could get the deal done... If they don't bite on that, Chandler Gallo Felton Curry pick would be the final offer I see.. Either that, or taking Felton out all together and giving them Gallo Chandler Curry and a pick.... I don't see it getting done without Gallo in it, Chandler alone isn't appealing enough...

I'm expecting that middle ground to be found... but as of right now, still looks like Denver is trying to push their high offer... only a few days left.

The fact that we are talking about tossing in our 26 year old, awesome contract near allstar Felton for Billups..

...Giving up both Gallo AND Chandler is now percieved as a reasonable middle


....Means that Denver is pulling the strings here.

But then what does that say about our leverage?

Why has the middle changes from giving up Chandler, Curry and 2 picks? What has changed to make us give up two youths? Aren't we still bidding against ourselves here?

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