[Camelo Thread Part 19] - Nyets won't be used pg 52

Post #481 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:58 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Demyze wrote:How credible though is hoopsworld?

somewhere between the national enquirer and mediatakeout.com

somewhere between Berman and Assola.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #482 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:58 pm

Don't get too excited guys--remember a day before The Decision we were all popping bottles because of the Dudley tweet. Sorry, I was just channeling my inner Pharmcat.

Post #483 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:59 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Don't get too excited guys--remember a day before The Decision we were all popping bottles because of the Dudley tweet. Sorry, I was just channeling my inner Pharmcat.

He does love to mention that Dudley Tweet lol.

jibba jones · Post #484 » by **jibba jones** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:01 pm

What do you think Walsh would do if he were in the Denver front office?

AllanHoustonFan · Post #485 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:02 pm

jibba jones wrote:What do you think Walsh would do if he were in the Denver front office?

He would of handled this in the summer.

NYK0605 · Post #486 » by **NYK0605** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:03 pm

If im Melo and Denver is asking for that much and holds onto me, im walking to NY in the summer and saying a nice F U to Uriji.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #487 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:05 pm

If wonder if teams going forward, like the Jazz and Hornets, will take a lesson from this situation and deal their outgoing stars (should they make it clear they won't resign) in the summer when they can get the most in return instead of praying a successful half season convinces them to stay. I suppose this is an issue for another thread though.

Post #488 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:08 pm

jibba jones wrote:What do you think Walsh would do if he were in the Denver front office?

It's a great question. Honestly, I doubt he'd deal him to the Knicks without it being a homerun. He'd wait it out and force Melo to make a decision.

NYK0605 · Post #489 » by **NYK0605** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:11 pm

Is there a way to get the phone number for Denver's FO? I'd love to have a word with them.

NY2TheBay · Post #490 » by **NY2TheBay** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:13 pm

Massai Ujiri needs to get his S**T together. How are we supposed to deal with a rookie GM like this. With the wealth of experience Walsh has it must be driving him nuts right now. I think Walsh is going to stay as patient as possible, as Tommy Dee said, and wait for Ujiri to begin sweating bullets. Even though they have more talent than toronto and cleveland Nene can opt out this summer and losing carmelo and Nene would hurt them a lot.

NY2TheBay · Post #491 » by **NY2TheBay** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:16 pm

NYK0605 wrote:Is there a way to get the phone number for Denver's FO? I'd love to have a word with them.

Im pretty sure they wouldnt respond just like they've been doing with us.

stuporman · Post #492 » by **stuporman** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:16 pm

Dealing with the Denver GM is like getting an email saying that a Nigerian prince can't access his untold fortune and if you send $5000 dollars it will be transferred to your bank account.

stuporman · Post #493 » by **stuporman** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:17 pm

NYK0605 wrote:Is there a way to get the phone number for Denver's FO? I'd love to have a word with them.

1-800-LOL-STFU

:lol:

Post #494 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:22 pm

stuporman wrote:
NYK0605 wrote:Is there a way to get the phone number for Denver's FO? I'd love to have a word with them.

1-800-LOL-STFU

holy sh*t that is hilarious...seriously fell off my chair!

kingmalaki · Post #495 » by **kingmalaki** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:24 pm

mpharris36 wrote:You make some very valid points and have a good over all thesis hear. However you are missing one major key is leverage. Carmelo wants to play in NY and the threat of him leaving is to great for denver to just take there chances and let him leave for nothing (examples Toronto and Cavs).

A perfect example of leverage will be Chris Paul and Deron Williams. Right now if you offered them a package of 2 decent young players a matching contract and a few picks they would laugh at you. But come next year when those players are on the last year of there contract they will have the leverage and if they will want to play for so and so team the hornets and jazz will have to lower their demands.

Also the fact of the matter is that the knicks refuse to bid against themselves. Name me one valid team out there that is going after amare? If denver wants to risk losing him for nothing then be may guest but don't send (Please Use More Appropriate Word) trade offers to us when you have no leverage.

I have no idea who else is bidding or what the other offers are. What I do know if an offer consisting of some average players and a late pick isn't that great of a haul for a top 10 player. All I'm saying is I understand why Denver is trying to get as much value as they can for a top 10 player. I realize they have less leverage since Melo is a free agent. But it also appears that they have some leverage since Melo seems to want his $$. Who knows which side will bow out first. But as far as getting nothing back, getting back some average players and a late pick isn't all that. I still think it's better than nothing but not so much better as to where a team is idiotic not to take it.

Post #496 » by **magnumt** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:26 pm

Heads up, News Updates:

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--Mags

Context · Post #497 » by **Context** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:39 pm

Here's my take.

Kroenke Sr. is running the show or at worst advising his son.

The minute Denver realized that Melo was genuine about not signing an extension with Denver and any other team. They devised a plan (similar to a marketing plan) . Instead of getting to the specifics I will get to the goal.

Get the most out of the Knicks, Minimize public relations with the Denver fan base and make it crystal clear that we did everything in our power to retain him and get the most we could.

I believe an agreement to a deal with the Knicks has already been reached.

I believe everything reported- that we see- is either perfectly planted OR media planted for the sake of hits, ratings, etc

By the time Melo is traded he will look like the villain in the eyes of Denver fans...

Al_Bundy · Post #498 » by **Al_Bundy** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:45 pm

What is up with these misleading thread titles? 65% done? Quoting Hoopsworld? I don't think RealGM makes money off hits on message board threads so I don't get the sansationalism.

tangotai · Post #499 » by **tangotai** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:47 pm

kneega wrote:Here's my take.

Kroenke Sr. is running the show or at worst advising his son.

The minute Denver realized that Melo was genuine about not signing an extension with Denver and any other team. They devised a plan (similar to a marketing plan) . Instead of getting to the specifics I will get to the goal.

Get the most out of the Knicks, Minimize public relations with the Denver fan base and make it crystal clear that we did everything in our power to retain him and get the most we could.

I believe an agreement to a deal with the Knicks has already been reached.

I believe everything reported- that we see- is either perfectly planted OR media planted for the sake of hits, ratings, etc

By the time Melo is traded he will look like the villain in the eyes of Denver fans...

I'm hoping you are right ... it is a sensible argument and if the deal goes down as we would like:
20+mil + Chadler + pick + Felton/Billups
it will be proof.

In my mind it is for certain that Kroenke Sr. is running the show. The MO is the same as when they demanded more from the Nyets when they were on the verge of a deal....

I'm starting to believe that there is no way we will keep Gallo out of this deal tho'.
I believe he is the main guy they want... so it might be Gallo instead of Chandler.
Also, I think Knicks might include Walker and another pick.....

Back to your analysis.... Denver FO and management team has to save face and if they villify Melo by making him go the final step and declare he will not sign with anyone but NY; AGAIN ONE LAST TIME!
maybe they believe that the fans will buy it.

Post #500 » by **GONYK** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:49 pm

kneega wrote:Here's my take.

Kroenke Sr. is running the show or at worst advising his son.

The minute Denver realized that Melo was genuine about not signing an extension with Denver and any other team. They devised a plan (similar to a marketing plan) . Instead of getting to the specifics I will get to the goal.

Get the most out of the Knicks, Minimize public relations with the Denver fan base and make it crystal clear that we did everything in our power to retain him and get the most we could.

I believe an agreement to a deal with the Knicks has already been reached.

I believe everything reported- that we see- is either perfectly planted OR media planted for the sake of hits, ratings, etc

By the time Melo is traded he will look like the villain in the eyes of Denver fans...

If that was the case, why keep floating ridiculous offers if you are going to accept something significantly worse than that?