Denver-NJ in "advanced" talks

[BBALLER4FR]

Right? That's awfully cool of Denver to let Melo go home while keeping the same team. Swell bunch of characters. It'll be like Melo signed the extension with Denver...in NJ...without the playoffs...or fans base. Yay.

lol aight.

Discounting the fact that hes going to the richest owner in sports, HOME TO BROOKLYN, and going to a team which has the potential to sign Chris Paul or Deron Williams.

Melo knows that even if he goes to the Knicks they're not gonna win much more than Denver anyway. A team of Carmelo and Amare has nothing on Boston or Miami at all.

I know. But playing alongside the juggernaut Brooke Lopez catapults the Nets right? That jammed packed 122 section of 42 fans who ponied up a total of $36 each (includes food and limo service courtesy of Jordan Farmar), THEY are the luck ones.

Richest owners in sports He can't be the smartest since he just blew that money on Outlaw, Petro and Farmar. Hometown is not Brooklyn and even if it were he'd be better off playing for the Knicks.

[Blame Rasho]

Seriously 4 picks?

[uncarved block]

Watch this go down then he pulls a Boozer and bolts to NY

[-Illmatic-]

If Melo agrees to an extension he has to have a pact with Howard, Paul, or Williams to team up. Otherwise that team is garbage.

[Dr Positivity]

My take on the situation...

Denver realizes the return they could get from NY now sucks and is marginally better than a S&T, since the Knicks have to dump Gallo or Chandler or w/e to sign Melo straight up anyways, they'll probably give them to Denver if it comes down to it

So they're playing chicken with Melo. Saying we have this deal with New Jersey. You can either take it and sign the extension, or you're going to the summer without one. The chance of landing this Favors 4 picks package is probably worth the difference between NY's offer now and in the summer

I think Melo stays on Den past the deadline and ends up in NY in the summer

[TDevilsG]

Right? That's awfully cool of Denver to let Melo go home while keeping the same team. Swell bunch of characters. It'll be like Melo signed the extension with Denver...in NJ...without the playoffs...or fans base. Yay.

lol aight.

Discounting the fact that hes going to the richest owner in sports, HOME TO BROOKLYN, and going to a team which has the potential to sign Chris Paul or Deron Williams.

Melo knows that even if he goes to the Knicks they're not gonna win much more than Denver anyway. A team of Carmelo and Amare has nothing on Boston or Miami at all.

I know. But playing alongside the juggernaut Brooke Lopez catapults the Nets right? That jammed packed 122 section of 42 fans who ponied up a total of $36 each (includes food and limo service courtesy of Jordan Farmar), THEY are the luck ones.

Richest owners in sports He can't be the smartest since he just blew that money on Outlaw, Petro and Farmar. Hometown is not Brooklyn and even if it were he'd be better off playing for the Knicks.

I don't blame Nets fans for not wanting to come out to the games. If your team has shown little signs of life and is only temporarily staying in New Jersey until their arena in New York is built, you probably wouldn't want to spend money of them, either. I have gone to several games this year and although they have been fun, I can't blame a casual fan for not wanting to spend money on a team that is only temporarily staying in the state.

Outlaw is a horrible contract signing. Petro is bad, but nowhere near as bad as Outlaw. Farmar is actually probably one of the better backup PGs in the game right now. Say what you want about them playing scrub time in LA, but both Sasha and Farmar have played very well together coming off the bench.

Besides Amare, I don't see what would make the Knicks so much better of a choice for Carmelo. Since the Knicks team would be gutted if they pulled the trigger on a trade with Denver, they would have just as few assets as New Jersey currently does. the Knicks are not that much better of an option.

But regardless, I don't think this deal goes now. I don't see New Jersey willing to give up four draft picks now when they weren't willing to a month ago. BEFORE Prokhorov said he was walking away.

[Canucklehead]

If this is true Denver is getting ahelluva return.

[Dr Positivity]

It also bears mentioning that Derrick Favors is not very good

Yeah he's super athletic and huge. But the guy has shown absolutely no offensive ability past dunking it, in either college or his rookie season. He fouls like Oden, isn't finishing at the rim well, and turns the ball over. All indications are his basketball IQ isn't that great, which is the most important indicator for defensive ability, reading the game. Ed Davis is outperforming him in literally every stat.

I'm not saying he doesn't have potential. Just not as high as his hype suggests. It could be a situation where the consensus is OMG, the Nets gave up Favors and 4 1sts for Melo? But then it turns out Favors is a dunking athletic guy a couple years down the road and all those 1sts amount to bench players... while the Nets have Melo...

[TDevilsG]

It also bears mentioning that Derrick Favors is not very good

Yeah he's super athletic and huge. But the guy has shown absolutely no offensive ability past dunking it, in either college or his rookie season. He fouls like Oden, isn't finishing at the rim well, and turns the ball over. All indications are his basketball IQ isn't that great, which is the most important indicator for defensive ability, reading the game. Ed Davis is outperforming him in literally every stat.

I'm not saying he doesn't have potential. Just not as high as his hype suggests. It could be a situation where the consensus is OMG, the Nets gave up Favors and 4 1sts for Melo? But then it turns out Favors is a dunking athletic guy a couple years down the road and all those 1sts amount to bench players... while the Nets have Melo...

Pretty much. I'm still holding out on Favors because he's only 19 years old and is the youngest player in the NBA. I think its especially difficult to rule out Favors when he's so young. Clearly Cousins has been more NBA ready, although Cousins has had a load of off-court problems already in his young career. Favors does foul a lot. He's a strong finisher, but his jump shot is not good. He has no move to the post, either. but he CAN finish strong when he's near the basket. He's actually quite lethal as a dunker. He can play good defense and can rebound. He has the potential to be a solid 10/10 guy in this league and possibly more, but he needs someone who can help develop him. Avery is not that guy.

[Invictus]

Melo knows that even if he goes to the Knicks they're not gonna win much more than Denver anyway. A team of Carmelo and Amare has nothing on Boston or Miami at all.

Melo also knows that even if he goes to the Nets.........

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STILL not making the playoffs.

[wang000hk]

All i can say is Nuggets being too greedy or Net being (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to even offer that deal?
Why would the Nets to give up 4 1st rounder to exchange for aging Billups and 3 scrubs who barely get any PT on the Nuggets?
No way Nets does this nor Melo will accept the extension,the Nets is too terrible to play with after the trade. The only decent talent is Lopez and Billups,that's it.

[vincecarter4pres]

Am I the only one that doesnt even consider Carmello 'that great'.

I'm fully with you.

He's about the 18th best player in the league.

[reapaman]

Well it would basically be the same in terms of talent on Melo's team but with no J.r. Smith or K-Mart (a good thing btw), a richer owner that very willing to spend and a bigger market.

As far as the pieces going, as a "framework" deal I like it. The Lakers pick is low in a bad draft potentially. The Warriors and rockets picks could be nice but probley at be low lottery. I still think NJ can make the playoffs because they are only 6 1/2 games out of 8th place with 2 months left. We see teams in the east make that type of run for the 8th seed for the past few years. So their pick could very well be out of the lottery.

So we are basically talking about a rookie with "potential", an old PF that they dont even play, an annoyingly inconsistent starting pg whos in his prime, a random rookie pg, and a bunch of low lottery or worse picks (at least 2 of them in a potentially very bad draft this year) for a top 5-10 player, a more than servicable veteran pg, and who cares. It looks fine to me if Melo sign the extension.

Though all of this will probably be mute when the nuggets want the nets to take on al harrington again...

[uncarved block]

It also bears mentioning that Derrick Favors is not very good

Yeah he's super athletic and huge. But the guy has shown absolutely no offensive ability past dunking it, in either college or his rookie season. He fouls like Oden, isn't finishing at the rim well, and turns the ball over. All indications are his basketball IQ isn't that great, which is the most important indicator for defensive ability, reading the game. Ed Davis is outperforming him in literally every stat.

I'm not saying he doesn't have potential. Just not as high as his hype suggests. It could be a situation where the consensus is OMG, the Nets gave up Favors and 4 1sts for Melo? But then it turns out Favors is a dunking athletic guy a couple years down the road and all those 1sts amount to bench players... while the Nets have Melo...

Hes 19 dude....

[JustCame]

WHY would Melo do this? Is there a no-trade clause in his contract, by any chance? IDTS, but just to make sure, LMK.

[Kobblehead]

Since when has Melo become some sort of elite player capable of putting a franchise on his back? He's been vastly overrated by these desperate teams that lost out on Bron.

[vincecarter4pres]

Since when has Melo become some sort of elite player capable of putting a franchise on his back? He's been vastly overrated by these desperate teams that lost out on Bron.

This.

[Alex Trevelyan]

Isn't Carmelo like 29th in the league in PER? And he doesn't play defense. He's a chimera. Both the Knicks and Nets are willing to give up a lot to get a guy that will make the Knicks marginally better and take the Nets from awful to below-average. The Nets would be wiser to hold their picks and make a play for truly difference making players like Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Dwight Howard when they're set to move to Brooklyn. Contrary to popular opinion. The Knicks will be capped out if they sign Carmelo, these fantasy scenarios where Carmelo ends up at MSG with Amare and Chris Paul or Howard are ludicrous, they can't happen, and if those players are going to end up in New York they'll end up in a Brooklyn Nets jersey and not a Knicks jersey not because the Nets have more intrinsic appeal, but rather because the Nets will have more cap space.

Every fan of every team in a big market now thinks they're going to pull off what the Heat did and it just isn't going to happen. Miami had no one under contract this past summer, they had cleared everything off their books. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh teaming up doesn't happen if not for the fact that they could tailor their contracts, along with Haslem's and Miller's, so they fit perfectly under the cap. That isn't going to happen ever again in the history of the NBA. If Knicks fans want Carmelo, they might get him, but at the cost of permanent mediocrity.

[vincecarter4pres]

I've broken down the #'s and explained it a number of times, there is absolutely no way possible for the Knix to wind up with a Big 3 of Amar'e, Melo and Paul through free agency.

[Al_Bundy]

I've broken down the #'s and explained it a number of times, there is absolutely no way possible for the Knix to wind up with a Big 3 of Amar'e, Melo and Paul through free agency.

That's a cool story but Paul will not reach free agency if he tells New Orleans he's out. His situation will end up just like Melo's. And if the Knicks keep enough pieces to use for Paul, and he demands NY of all teams, then a trade will be possible.