Woj: HOU still wants Asik for Lee, CHI determined to add SG

m_willis01 · Post #501 » by **m_willis01** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:32 am

anorexorcism wrote:Can't part with Asik for him.
Replace Asik with Taj and I'll do it.

You have lost it. MIller is THE Perfect Backup Center for Noah.

You keep Taj to cover up Boozer's ass on Defense.

theanimal23 · Post #502 » by **theanimal23** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:33 am

Funny I was on Rumorpress.net and this forum 15 min ago -- and I miss this rumor in between.

BullsCroatia · Post #503 » by **BullsCroatia** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:33 am

Maybe if we threw Taj in insted of Asik. But too much money even in that case.

Too slow, too old.

musketeer · Post #504 » by **musketeer** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:33 am

BullsCroatia wrote:
musketeer wrote:I think some of you guys are really overrating the upside of Omer Asik. He's a rookie, so he may improve. But some of you guys act like he's 19 and has huge potential. The guy turns 25 in a couple months. He's a year younger than Loul Deng. Most likely, he is what he is. Why are some projecting massive improvement?

I really think any deals should be analyzed by viewing Omer as something close to what he is. Not some mythical guy who is going to average a double-double and 3 blocks a game.

That's not to say he has no value now, because he's a solid bench big man. But thinking he's magically going to turn into a borderline all-star by making some huge jump from being a 24 year old to a 25 year
old seems a little crazy to me.

Would you like to have Marcin Gortat with better defense on your team? If he doesn't join us, we will have Dwight Howard to deal with in many years to come and I would like to have a guy who can slow him a bit with his lenght.

Seems like Gortat is way thicker. Is Omer really that much better equipped to slow him down than Noah?

Besides, I do like Omer and its not like I want to give him away or anything. I'm just confused by people projecting him as a double-double guy in the future. He's a good backup big man who will likely not play more than 15 minutes per game on any contender. I really don't foresee huge improvements coming for him like many seem to.

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #505 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:33 am

Red Larrivee wrote:
OldSchoolNoBull wrote:No. No. No. Asik for Lee is bad to begin with, and now they want us to take on Brad's contract? He's big and slow and will be done soon and will cost too much money. Hell no. Get Mayo.

Miller has a 17.2 PER this season and is shooting 46% from the field and 37% from three. He's already as slow as he'll ever get. He's the same Brad.

He isn't worth the money he's being paid, and taking his contract while giving up Asik is too high a price for Lee. No way. No how.

BullsCroatia · Post #506 » by **BullsCroatia** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:35 am

musketeer wrote:
Seems like Gortat is way thicker. Is Omer really that much better equipped to slow him down than Noah?

Besides, I do like Omer and its not like I want to give him away or anything. I'm just confused by people projecting him as a double-double guy in the future. He's a good backup big man who will likely not play more than 15 minutes per game on any contender. I really don't foresee huge improvements coming for him like many seem to.

Asik is going to get stronger. And yes, with his lenght he could easily become a better Howard defender than Noah. No one is projecting him as a double double guy, he has a chance to become on of the better back up C's in the league though.

m_willis01 · Post #507 » by **m_willis01** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:35 am

Brad is THE Perfect backup C

Taj CANNOT be traded!!! anyone see Boozer's defense tonight....

Sasaki · Post #508 » by **Sasaki** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:36 am

I like Miller, but not for that contract. Just too much money. Does anyone know if his 3rd year is a player option? His shooting is great, but his lack of quickness is gonna get us in trouble.

His last year is in fact only 1 million guaranteed. You could view that year like Dampier's final year on that contract he had.

As for the proposed trade? I would want a little more value from Houston's end ( ie. the Miami pick) but I can accept that deal. Kind of.

BullsCroatia · Post #509 » by **BullsCroatia** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:37 am

m_willis01 wrote:Brad is THE Perfect backup C

Taj CANNOT be traded!!! anyone see Boozer's defense tonight....

Asik is playing better D than Taj. Keep him, trade Taj.

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #510 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:37 am

m_willis01 wrote:Brad is THE Perfect backup C

Taj CANNOT be traded!!! anyone see Boozer's defense tonight....

Asik's D is worth more than Brad's O. Asik's got potential and Brad's nearly 35. Courtney Lee IS NOT WORTH THAT SWAP.

Ralphb07 · Post #511 » by **Ralphb07** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:38 am

It would suck to lose Asik but we'd replace him with a better big for this year in Miller and still have picks and the MLE to add a big this summer. The problem of losing Asik was not having the depth in the postseason but Noah/Miller, Boozer/Gibson with Thomas as 5th big is good. Landing Lee to play SG even better.

m_willis01 · Post #512 » by **m_willis01** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:39 am

Ralphb07 wrote:It would suck to lose Asik but we'd replace him with a better big for this year in Miller and still have picks and the MLE to add a big this summer. The problem of losing Asik was not having the depth in the postseason but Noah/Miller, Boozer/Gibson with Thomas as 5th big is good. Landing Lee to play SG even better.

+10000000

Guy986 · Post #513 » by **Guy986** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:40 am

I honestly dont understand Bull fans love affair with Omer Asik. He's a 3rd string center averaging 3pt/3rb. Last year Taj Gibson was untouchable, this year its Asik. Is it because he's a rookie... its kind of like that new toy you cant get enough of.

Personally if i'm Morey i'll rather have the Charlotte pick than Asik.

BullsCroatia · Post #514 » by **BullsCroatia** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:40 am

Brad Miller can not guard anyone in this league.

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #515 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:40 am

Ralphb07 wrote:It would suck to lose Asik but we'd replace him with a better big for this year in Miller and still have picks and the MLE to add a big this summer. The problem of losing Asik was not having the depth in the postseason but Noah/Miller, Boozer/Gibson with Thomas as 5th big is good. Landing Lee to play SG even better.

No. It's too high a price.

Big Sexy · Post #516 » by **Big Sexy** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:42 am

Guy986 wrote:I honestly dont understand Bull fans love affair with Omer Asik. He's a 3rd string center averaging 3pt/3rb.

Asik doesn't show his worth through stats. He's already an amazing defender for a guy in his 1st year in the NBA and he's only 24 years old. Only thing I worry about him is I think he had some injury problems in Turkey. Other than that he's going to be a good player in this league. He won't put up the stats but he finds a way to impact the game in a positive way.

theanimal23 · Post #517 » by **theanimal23** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:45 am

I'm against this trade for Lee b/c IMO we're doing it on the Rockets terms. We are overpaying.

Just not sure about Miller long-term. Don't see it. Don't want it.

If we are giving up Asik - it better be Jordan Hill coming back, not Miller.

taruky1 · Post #518 » by **taruky1** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:46 am

musketeer wrote:
BullsCroatia wrote:
musketeer wrote:I think some of you guys are really overrating the upside of Omer Asik. He's a rookie, so he may improve. But some of you guys act like he's 19 and has huge potential. The guy turns 25 in a couple months. He's a year younger than Loul Deng. Most likely, he is what he is. Why are some projecting massive improvement?

I really think any deals should be analyzed by viewing Omer as something close to what he is. Not some mythical guy who is going to average a double-double and 3 blocks a game.

That's not to say he has no value now, because he's a solid bench big man. But thinking he's magically going to turn into a borderline all-star by making some huge jump from being a 24 year old to a 25 year
old seems a little crazy to me.

Would you like to have Marcin Gortat with better defense on your team? If he doesn't join us, we will have Dwight Howard to deal with in many years to come and I would like to have a guy who can slow him a bit with his lenght.

Seems like Gortat is way thicker. Is Omer really that much better equipped to slow him down than Noah?

Besides, I do like Omer and its not like I want to give him away or anything. I'm just confused by people projecting him as a double-double guy in the future. He's a good backup big man who will likely not play more than 15 minutes per game on any contender. I really don't foresee huge improvements coming for him like many seem to.

Gortat is almost averaging a double double in 25 min a night. Did you see his stats his first couple seasons in Orlando? I don't know how Omer will turn out but I certainly see enough to think he could be a good one. I think the 24 year-old argument is moot, because anyone at any age can learn skills. We are not talking about him needing to physically mature because he already has a solid frame. What he needs is essentially NBA experience and big man tutoring.

Big Sexy · Post #519 » by **Big Sexy** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:47 am

theanimal23 wrote:I'm against this trade for Lee b/c IMO we're doing it on the Rockets terms.

This is the problem with dealing with a guy like Morey. He isn't going to allow you to get the better of a trade. If we were dealing with Minnesota, this deal would have been done already and we'd get Lee for a steal. Morey won't let this happen.

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #520 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:48 am

Big Sexy wrote:
theanimal23 wrote:I'm against this trade for Lee b/c IMO we're doing it on the Rockets terms.

This is the problem with dealing with a guy like Morey. He isn't going to allow you to get the better of a trade. If we were dealing with Minnesota, this deal would have been done already and we'd get Lee for a steal. Morey won't let this happen.

Fine. Then don't trade with him. We should be focusing our energy on Mayo anyway.