Trade Deadline Thread-3 pm EST Today!!

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Read this earlier;

“Needless to say, this was a difficult decision for our organization,” Jordan said in a letter posted on the team’s website. “Gerald epitomized everything we want our team to be about and we cannot thank him enough for his contributions to the Charlotte Bobcats. As the trade deadline approached, we were presented with an opportunity that we felt was in the long term best interest of the team.

Hes what your team is all about, but you couldn't pass up such a great opportunity?

That and Nazr gets traded for DJ White. Sorry I don't count Morris Peterson, this isn't 5 years ago.

Weird trade deadline. Pistons did nothing, many teams made big moves, and the Celtics quietly opened up 3 roster spots (Daniels to Sacramento, two fringe players to Cleveland). Nazr trade was odd until the Wallace trade happened. Team gave up on this season, see you again next year. Surprised that no one trade for the Cavs' Anthony Parker though.

Nazr is cool and all, but he clearly isn't in the long term plans. Kwame looks to be. He's 28, and will age well as a big, and if he appreciates Oakley's training he'll remain in Charlotte next year, hopefully on a cheap long term deal.

Not only that. Nazr was an expiring. It would be kind of sad if we couldn't turn him into an asset for future. At least we got White. It is better than nothing, than just letting him expire and go. Not that I would wish Nazr to be forced to travel to another destination but he seems to understand it is all just business, have no hard feelings and is treated with respect from Bobcats staff (Irr tweeting for example). I have nio problem on Nazr on our team, I like the guy, hopefully he would be helpful to Thunder and their emerging team. They just got a bit more likeable with Nazr there.

[captaincrunk]

Hes what your team is all about, but you couldn't pass up such a great opportunity?

That and Nazr gets traded for DJ White. Sorry I don't count Morris Peterson, this isn't 5 years ago.

Weird trade deadline. Pistons did nothing, many teams made big moves, and the Celtics quietly opened up 3 roster spots (Daniels to Sacramento, two fringe players to Cleveland). Nazr trade was odd until the Wallace trade happened. Team gave up on this season, see you again next year. Surprised that no one trade for the Cavs' Anthony Parker though.

Nazr is cool and all, but he clearly isn't in the long term plans. Kwame looks to be. He's 28, and will age well as a big, and if he appreciates Oakley's training he'll remain in Charlotte next year, hopefully on a cheap long term deal.

Not only that. Nazr was an expiring. It would be kind of sad if we couldn't turn him into an asset for future. At least we got White. It is better than nothing, than just letting him expire and go. Not that I would wish Nazr to be forced to travel to another destination but he seems to understand it is all just business, have no hard feelings and is treated with respect from Bobcats staff (Irr tweeting for example). I have nio problem on Nazr on our team, I like the guy, hopefully he would be helpful to Thunder and their emerging team. They just got a bit more likeable with Nazr there.[/quote]
That's what I meant by "Nazr is cool and all" lol.

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How does a buyout usually work? Do we pay all of the remaining salaries? If so, why would MJ waive Peterson? He's earning $6M a year, that's a big chunk of change for a cheap owner.

I still wonder how it wil be with Peterson, I always heard he will be cut not bought out. And yes it doesn't make sense unless we want to have a free roster spot back for something. Surely it would be only part of that 6m like half of it as he should be payed for past month by the Blazers and Bobcats just should pay for days they would have him under contract.

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How does a buyout usually work? Do we pay all of the remaining salaries? If so, why would MJ waive Peterson? He's earning $6M a year, that's a big chunk of change for a cheap owner.

When you waive a player you don't buy out their salary, you just put them on waivers. Means another team could come along and offer to pay that 6 million, and we have a roster spot open for he rest of the season either way. We could waive Diop if we wanted, but we'd still have to pay him...

To my understanding if you put player on waivers you have to pay him any remaining salary no matter what and what he is payed by another club picking him up is extra for him. And usually it is like veteran minimum money as he is paid already. Am I wrong?

[captaincrunk]

How does a buyout usually work? Do we pay all of the remaining salaries? If so, why would MJ waive Peterson? He's earning $6M a year, that's a big chunk of change for a cheap owner.

When you waive a player you don't buy out their salary, you just put them on waivers. Means another team could come along and offer to pay that 6 million, and we have a roster spot open for he rest of the season either way. We could waive Diop if we wanted, but we'd still have to pay him...

To my understanding if you put player on waivers you have to pay him any remaining salary no matter what and what he is payed by another club picking him up is extra for him. And usually it is like veteran minimum money as he is paid already. Am I wrong?

No, that's release not waiver. Then they would be a free agent. A player on waivers COULD end their contract and sign a new one, or a team could just pick up their contract. It depends on what they do. But we're only obligated if no one picks them up. Buyouts are their own thing.

[Jaruff]

WojYahooNBA Charlotte close to signing adam morrison to fill open roster spot MJ believes he still has starter potential.











............. OK i made that tweet up

Damn you fats, you had me excited there for a minute. I had already emailed a friend about the great news rumor before seeing your last line.

Major disappointment.

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Sounds to me like there planning on Pryz playing. The way Higgins talked in that interview and the fact that Pryz has already picked a number...just seems like he might be staying? I mean if he wanted out and was going to retire, why would he pick a number and why wouldn't we had heard of it by now? If that was the case don't you think they would had cut Pryz before MoPete or D. Brown? I hope Pryz does stay. If we are going to seriously push for the playoffs, which I think we still can, then we need Pryz down low.

I agree with you. But they couldn't cut Pryz before UPS because thery technically didn't have him yet and they need to cut someone to make room for technically incoming Peterson in the other trade even if they planned to cut Peterson from the beginning using him just as a salary filler in that trade. That's why UPS was cut.

[amcoolio]

I think this is the largest thread we've ever had in this amount of time (less than a week). Even more than the Tyson-Okafor trade.

[captaincrunk]

I think this is the largest thread we've ever had in this amount of time (less than a week). Even more than the Tyson-Okafor trade.

Wallace was probably the single biggest thing that ever happened to the bobcats aside from their creation.

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Yeah, I would expect Brown and Collins to clear waivers. Mo Pete and Pryz won't play here, so they stay on the team along with Cunningham and White.

Joel will play here (unless he decides to ratire or something which i doubt when he is scheduled to arrive tomorrow to Charlotte), we even know number of his jersey...

I don't think that knowing the number of someone's jersey matters a lick.

Case in point:

Just in case you were only half-joking, I think it does: it shows the team actually want Pryz to play for them and that Pryz at least bothered to fly to Charlotte and to pick a number, so no flat our refusing the idea. It would probably be a different story with Camby in his place.

[captaincrunk]

I'm watching the vids of Jackson, henderson, etc about the trade reaction. It's good to see what the players feel.

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Hes what your team is all about, but you couldn't pass up such a great opportunity?

That and Nazr gets traded for DJ White. Sorry I don't count Morris Peterson, this isn't 5 years ago.

Weird trade deadline. Pistons did nothing, many teams made big moves, and the Celtics quietly opened up 3 roster spots (Daniels to Sacramento, two fringe players to Cleveland). Nazr trade was odd until the Wallace trade happened. Team gave up on this season, see you again next year. Surprised that no one trade for the Cavs' Anthony Parker though.

Nazr is cool and all, but he clearly isn't in the long term plans. Kwame looks to be. He's 28, and will age well as a big, and if he appreciates Oakley's training he'll remain in Charlotte next year, hopefully on a cheap long term deal.

Not only that. Nazr was an expiring. It would be kind of sad if we couldn't turn him into an asset for future. At least we got White. It is better than nothing, than just letting him expire and go. Not that I would wish Nazr to be forced to travel to another destination but he seems to understand it is all just business, have no hard feelings and is treated with respect from Bobcats staff (Irr tweeting for example). I have nio problem on Nazr on our team, I like the guy, hopefully he would be helpful to Thunder and their emerging team. They just got a bit more likeable with Nazr there.

That's what I meant by "Nazr is cool and all" lol.[/quote]
Oh, I just missed any Nazr appreciation thread nad didn't want to sound mean. It is a good thing to trade expiring for value but I care about Nazr at the same time

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No, that's release not waiver. Then they would be a free agent. A player on waivers COULD end their contract and sign a new one, or a team could just pick up their contract. It depends on what they do. But we're only obligated if no one picks them up. Buyouts are their own thing.

I thought waivers was just a word describing that cut players (to free a roster spot or traded and cut by their new team couldn't be re-signed by their old team immediately but after some period of time (like 30 days). And that release, cut, putting on waivers are the same things. If not then i guess one learns something new every day.

[_tijo_]

It's moves like this that I cringe at the Bobcats management. They trade stars away for potential and smaller pieces... the traded JRich away and now Wallace. If one of those two draft picks eventually turns into someone as good as Wallace, then they would be happy with the deal. But why not just keep Wallace then? This is the reason the Bobcats are in my rear view mirror.

But, that being said, I can see the reason why MJ did the deal. It has nothing to do with Wallace and everything to do with upcoming labor negotiations... there will be a lockout next year, and the owners WILL impose a hard cap, and the players will have to take it.

If you had over 10 mil locked up in Wallace, along with the other money tied up in Jax, etc, you have no chance at getting better. None. Not with the new hard cap, unless you draft well. 10mil will probably will be a huge number under the new CBA, and we will be able to lock up BETTER players than crash, if you could convince them to come to Charlotte. Say CP3, his deal with Jordan Brands gets him some pull to come home, and we can lock him up for $10.5 vs. Wallace for $10.5? It's a better use of resources, plus he gets two picks which will be cheap contracts... it will be the new reality of the NBA. And even though Crash is my absolute favorite player in the entire NBA, it made sense to trade him going into these new CBA negotiations. I will root for him in Portland.

And the hard cap will actually HELP charlotte, since big market teams can't sign everyone, big time players will look at all options, including the Bobcats.

Not saying it's right, but it's going to be the reality going forward...

[captaincrunk]

No, that's release not waiver. Then they would be a free agent. A player on waivers COULD end their contract and sign a new one, or a team could just pick up their contract. It depends on what they do. But we're only obligated if no one picks them up. Buyouts are their own thing.

I thought waivers was just a word describing that cut players (to free a roster spot or traded and cut by their new team couldn't be re-signed by their old team immediately but after some period of time (like 30 days). And that release, cut, putting on waivers are the same things. If not then i guess one learns something new every day.

I'm almost positive that isn't the case, though 7/10 the effects are gonna be the same on the court.

Think of it this way. While a player is under contract with the Bobcats he is waived. Still gets paid, just isn't on the roster. Another team wants him, but he's still under contract so he can't sign. But part of the waiver rules state that anyone can pick up the contract once it clears the waiver system thingy, so anyone willing to pay out that contract could theoretically pick up Collins. I think he'd have to agree to it though, not sure.

[BigSlam]

I think this is a really interesting point:

Henderson can average 40ppg the rest of the season, but that doesn't take away from the fact we are a much less talented team after the trade than before it. Unless one of those guys we traded for comes in and puts up really good numbers, the positives of this trade wont' be realized until (1) we use the added cap space or (2) we draft some decent players with the picks we received.

I agree we wont really know the positives of the trade until we know what we do with the cap space and those two 1st round picks, BUT:

IF Hendo can match what Crash was doing
IF Pryzbilla can match what Nazzy was doing
IF Hammer can match what Hendo was bringing pre-trade (bench production)

it will already be a wash and then:

IF either White or Dante really surprise by contributing significant bench production then we will 100% be better off straight away and then the (hopeful good use of) cap space and two 1st round picks will just be gravy.

RIght?

[amcoolio]

Theres a chance we can get solid production from White or Dante.

Would people have really hated this trade had Gerald not stepped it up the last 2 weeks? What if we traded Gerald for this same package 3 weeks ago. I think a lot of the negative nancys wouldn't be griping as much.

Gerald is talented yes, but it just seems that he is one injury away from ever being an effective player again.

[vorbis]

henderson does look nice. if he can become the best or 2nd best player on this team then this trade will look a lot more prudent 2 years from now.

[ohara]

We have not given up on the race for the Playoffs. We were in it against Indiana with Crash, and we are still in it without Crash. Maybe we make the Playoffs - who knows. But this move was all about 2013. We have a young group in DJ, TT and Hendo to play with Jax and Diaw for now. We add a couple players in this draft who will be important pieces. In 2013, we have tons of cap space and go get a big time FA who can put us over the top and into contention for the tops in the East.

You can argue that this team took a small step back Thrsday afternoon. But it is only a very small step. But it was a watershed moment for the Bobcats. We will take several steps forward over the next couple years, and in time, this move by MJ will be hailed as a daring and brilliant move. And I bet history is rewritten here also, as many of the posters who are currently screaming disaster at this move will at that time be talking about how they supported the move and how smart and shrewd MJ was to do it.

[bobcats3wallace]

We have not given up on the race for the Playoffs. We were in it against Indiana with Crash, and we are still in it without Crash. Maybe we make the Playoffs - who knows. But this move was all about 2013. We have a young group in DJ, TT and Hendo to play with Jax and Diaw for now. We add a couple players in this draft who will be important pieces. In 2013, we have tons of cap space and go get a big time FA who can put us over the top and into contention for the tops in the East.

You can argue that this team took a small step back Thrsday afternoon. But it is only a very small step. But it was a watershed moment for the Bobcats. We will take several steps forward over the next couple years, and in time, this move by MJ will be hailed as a daring and brilliant move. And I bet history is rewritten here also, as many of the posters who are currently screaming disaster at this move will at that time be talking about how they supported the move and how smart and shrewd MJ was to do it.

+1

I look for us to try to pick up even more draft picks this offseason by unloading Diaw. I think that Jack is a guy that we SHOULD keep around because he plays well off of Hendo and DJ. Plus it would be nice to draft someone young there, or have a plan in place there, before just shipping Jack off and kind of hoping we can fill that void. I really have a feeling that CP3 is a name that they are fighting for. Higgins even said it on the radio that CP3 was a guy they have thought about, but needed assets. Now we have assets, don't be surprised next year if there is a Deron Williams, out of the blue, type trade. I just hope if we do that that we can resign the guy. This trade leaves us with a true chance to see what our core of DJ/Hendo/Thomas can do. So far looks like our backcourt is going to be pretty damn good going forward. Then add to that draft picks and potential free agent signings and your on your way. I knwo OKC got lucky in the draft, BUT they did this same exactt hing. They traded off there bes tplayers, got draft picks, played young talent, and build from there. I do think were doing the right thing here. This trade was defiantly about 2013 but the beauty is that we can STILL have a chance to make the playoffs this year, and maybe even next witht he young talent we already have.